My Boba's clone

[Levitas]

I just think it is a far stretch to say that Ben was the first one to ever make a N.E.T.. Also considering the possible health risks with vaping N.E.T.s vs Flavoring it would seem unprofessional of him to hide that from people, which is also why I am skeptical of the claims that there is WTA in it. I always was under the impression that it wouldn't taste "right" without nicotine.

Also, you CAN get plenty of N.E.T.s with 0nic.

Are you debating for the right to be right? Or are you actually trying to find a solution to these clues given?

The difference between our arguments is that I'm completely open to what it could be, where as you seem to say that it's 100% not a tobacco extract. I'm with you, and anyone else who believes this. Just please answer me, what else could prevent Ben from making his tobacco juices without nicotine?

Edit: To those who 100% don't think it's an extract, do you believe that it's his preference? That somehow all 8 of his tobacco blends just wouldn't taste 'right' if he didn't add nicotine?

 

[Startle]

It clearly isn't a N.E.T. because no one was making N.E.T.s four years ago when Ben made it. This has been stated in this very same thread numberous times. Ben also said it isn't a N.E.T. and I don't think he's a liar.

Nets were being made around that time - here's a link to a youtube video from 2009 showing snus extraction using VG as an example - How to Make Snus Juice for electronic cig - YouTube

I don't think Ben is a liar either so if he did say that then I believe it. Is there a documented thread though somewhere with this information? I have not been able to receive a response from AVE stating whether or not it is - perhaps someone else has and can shed some light. In the same context I know that it is documented that he said they can't make a zero nic version. I don't think he's lying about that.

I'm not ruling out nets until I see proof that AVE is stating that they are not. In either case using nets that have a very similar flavor and flavor density may help us figure out the magic combo.

I do concur that there are 2 non-tobacco flavors used. Right now I think cherry and some kind of danish - gotta keep trying vg based flavorings to hone in more. The distinct smell of boba's is primarily from those two flavorings - the tobaccos don't come through nearly as much in the smell as they do in the flavor.

 

[FLExJuice]

I got a response from AVE that it's only flavoring.

I have made many of these BB clones and variations based on how people describe it but none that is a match.

I can guarantee many ejuice vendors are following this thread closely and have made the clones their top sellers. Good for them since it's helping the vaping community stay smoke-free. I have ejuices from many of them and sure enough they are like the clones I've made. DIY is so much fun but I have this bad feeling that the FDA is going to make it difficult for us and ejuice vendors.

Sorry for the rabbit trail...now back to figuring out what in the world is in BB.

 

[SloHand]

I do concur that there are 2 non-tobacco flavors used. Right now I think cherry and some kind of danish - gotta keep trying vg based flavorings to hone in more. The distinct smell of boba's is primarily from those two flavorings - the tobaccos don't come through nearly as much in the smell as they do in the flavor.

I concur as well.

On the issue of the NETs ....

Check out DIY Flavor Shack. They have some weird things going on in there like a 'tobacco flavor not concentrate' for you to 'mix and vape', whatever that means. It comes in VG as well, and Ben was quoted in an interview saying he appreciated the owner of that place for helping him in his early DIY days.......

I don't remember all the discussion surrounding DIY Flavor Shack but it was this 'mix and vape' that led me down the path of NETS, because in essence, this is what the 'mix and vape' that DIYFS sells/sold.

Currently DIYFS states ...

This is the Tobacco Flavoring Only. A Double Flavor Not a concentrate This Bottle Contain No Nicotine and comes in a 15ml Glass Vial. This is A DIY Flavoring Kit You get 2 Pipettes, a Funnel and a Empty 10ml & 6ML Bottle.
Just enjoy a Zero Tobacco Flavor or add your own nicotine. Perfect for making the Perfect mix for yourself to your own Taste.

THIS IS NOT A CONCENTRATE JUST A ZERO double flavored Tobacco FLAVORING , YOU CAN ADD YOUR OWN NICOTINE AND VAPE

Just enjoy a Zero Tobacco Flavor.

Perfect for making the Perfect mix for yourself to your own Taste.

THIS IS NOT A CONCENTRATE JUST A ZERO NICOTINE FLAVORING

Just enjoy a Zero Tobacco Flavor or you can Choose to be a "MixMaster"

I find their description to have à double entente.

 

[Sad Society]

Other important notes,
- not all flavorings were 100% VG
- all bases were 12mg at 100% VG
- 15% flavor to base

Boba's Clone #7
Black and Mile Plus 40.0%
Cinnamon Danish Swirl 20.0%
Almond oil 20.0%
Coconut 7.1%
Graham Cracker 7.1%
Vinegar 5.8%

Sorry if this isn't on par with what you guys are currently talking about. Many thanks to Slohand for posting this recipe (and other recipes) posted on page 42 of this thread.

I would like to make BB #7 but with just one question. It says '15% flavor to base'. Is this including 15% vinegar to base, or are you just adding straight vinegar unaltered?

Thanks.

 

[Aal_]

the percentages are of the 15% flavoring. So 5.8% vinegar means 5.8% x 15% = 0.87% of the whole mixture.

 

[Sad Society]

the percentages are of the 15% flavoring. So 5.8% vinegar means 5.8% x 15% = 0.87% of the whole mixture.

So treat the vinegar as a flavor as well? Adding vinegar as a flavor base to VG/PG and nic before adding to the recipe...Correct?

 

[Aal_]

you treat it as one of the flavors. I didn't get what you mean by before adding to the recipe. It is as any other flavoring. The percentage of the flavorings totals 100%, and 15% of the overall liquid, which has VG/PG and nic.

 

[Sad Society]

Cool. Thanks for the info aalwani.

 

[Levitas]

I got a response from AVE that it's only flavoring.

On the issue of the NETs ....

I don't remember all the discussion surrounding DIY Flavor Shack but it was this 'mix and vape' that led me down the path of NETS, because in essence, this is what the 'mix and vape' that DIYFS sells/sold.

I too have considered DIYFS as Ave's source for tobacco flavorings. I wanted to try the VG-based flavorings, but they've yet to add them on the site (as they told me they were going to do) without the whole 'mix and vape' kit. But even if it's true that Ave utilize VG-base tobacco flavorings, and doesn't use an extract of any sort, then the only thing I can think of is preference.

Am I truly missing something here? Does Ben honestly feel that none of his tobacco blends would taste 'right' without the use of nicotine? Is there a component, aside of an extract, that is preventing him from making 0mg tobacco juices?

It is all so very perplexing. The most difficult simple blend there is.

 

[VIPOD]

Have 3 bottles of actual BB in my possession. The oldest being Feb '13. another Mar '13 and a recent one date end of July. All of them have different flavour notes (the craziness that is BB), none, and I mean none can I detect any cherry flavour.

But I will say, the oldest of the patch has a stronger "turkish" smell/taste to it.

That being said, one of my clones was a tobacco base mix of turkish (TExp) and black honey tobacco (TPA), it's only 2 weeks, but the notes seem to be there, but way too pronounced at this point.

 

[Startle]

I too have considered DIYFS as Ave's source for tobacco flavorings. I wanted to try the VG-based flavorings, but they've yet to add them on the site (as they told me they were going to do) without the whole 'mix and vape' kit. But even if it's true that Ave utilize VG-base tobacco flavorings, and doesn't use an extract of any sort, then the only thing I can think of is preference.

Am I truly missing something here? Does Ben honestly feel that none of his tobacco blends would taste 'right' without the use of nicotine? Is there a component, aside of an extract, that is preventing him from making 0mg tobacco juices?

It is all so very perplexing. The most difficult simple blend there is.

They have the cherry and cinnamon danish - just not available in VG base but of course could be custom made for AVE.

The VG tobacco flavors available in early 2010 were:

C Lama DIY Tobacco Flavoring VG
Hilton DIY Tobacco Flavoring VG
MarlB DIY Tobacco Flavoring VG -- Non PG
RY4 DIY Tobacco Flavoring VG --- Non PG
Shacks555 DIY Tobacco Flavoring VG 6ml
Tobacco DIY Tobacco Flavoring VG 6ml

They are listed as 0 nic but maybe AVE tested them and there are trace amounts - I really don't know but would like to get them and test myself. Hopefully they'll be available without the kit again or I'll just have to plunk down...

The most difficult simple blend there is.

The understatement of the year!

 

[Startle]

Have 3 bottles of actual BB in my possession. The oldest being Feb '13. another Mar '13 and a recent one date end of July. All of them have different flavour notes (the craziness that is BB), none, and I mean none can I detect any cherry flavour.

But I will say, the oldest of the patch has a stronger "turkish" smell/taste to it.

That being said, one of my clones was a tobacco base mix of turkish (TExp) and black honey tobacco (TPA), it's only 2 weeks, but the notes seem to be there, but way too pronounced at this point.

There's a lot of cherry in there. Smell it carefully and taste it - you'll get it.

How are you vaping it by the way - carto, clearo?

I'm using a Zen with mesh so I taste everything very clearly.

 

[NamVet68]

There's a lot of cherry in there. Smell it carefully and taste it - you'll get it.

How are you vaping it by the way - carto, clearo?

I'm using a Zen with mesh so I taste everything very clearly.

Taste is subjective. I've never tasted cherry in Boba's, and I've vaped it in Gennys with ceramic & SS wicks, Oddys/Ithakas with silica & Ekowool wicks, and EVODs & Protanks, RDAs & drippers, and Killer (Bottom Feeder) attys.

While there are subtitle differences in flavor between them all, and each delivers slightly different notes, the cherry flavors never came through for me.

BTW - the "cleanest" flavors (for me at least) are with the ceramic wicks in the Genesis atomizers, or a dripper with a ceramic wick. I switched away from Stainless wicks about nine months ago.....Never looked back.

 

[Startle]

Taste is subjective. I've never tasted cherry in Boba's, and I've vaped it in Gennys with ceramic & SS wicks, Oddys/Ithakas with silica & Ekowool wicks, and EVODs & Protanks, RDAs & drippers, and Killer (Bottom Feeder) attys.

While there are subtitle differences in flavor between them all, and each delivers slightly different notes, the cherry flavors never came through for me.

BTW - the "cleanest" flavors (for me at least) are with the ceramic wicks in the Genesis atomizers, or a dripper with a ceramic wick. I switched away from Stainless wicks about nine months ago.....Never looked back.

No doubt taste is subjective. Prior to the latest batch I received (180 ml of assorted strengths) I did not associate any fruit flavor with the juice. All of these new bottles are like cherry bombs. You can smell and taste it clearly on top of everything else.

Yeah I got try one of those ceramics - think I'll order a few today.

 

[VIPOD]

There's a lot of cherry in there. Smell it carefully and taste it - you'll get it.

How are you vaping it by the way - carto, clearo?

I'm using a Zen with mesh so I taste everything very clearly.

You name it (Genesis w/mesh & rope, BCC, boge carto, HH357, rba2 w/a REO) in an attempt to replicate. Even in the early days of straight up 510/306/901, never did I detect cherry in BB, and still don't. But why not, if that's one of the ingredients then Ben has done his magic on me!

 

[VIPOD]

BTW - the "cleanest" flavors (for me at least) are with the ceramic wicks in the Genesis atomizers, or a dripper with a ceramic wick. I switched away from Stainless wicks about nine months ago.....Never looked back.

Are those the same ceramic wicks that nextel/3M produces (XC-116)? If so, what size to you use? That's the only material I haven't tried yet. Also looking for a supplier. thx.

 

[FLExJuice]

You name it (Genesis w/mesh & rope, BCC, boge carto, HH357, rba2 w/a REO) in an attempt to replicate. Even in the early days of straight up 510/306/901, never did I detect cherry in BB, and still don't. But why not, if that's one of the ingredients then Ben has done his magic on me!

I was thinking the same thing. I don't detect Cherry. I have 3 different cherry flavors and even bought some real cherry to register the taste. I mainly use the Kanger Pro so I'm probably not getting the full experience.

I wonder if Ben would consider making a super concentrated flavor to sell. I'm sure those will fly off the shelf too.

 

[Aheadatime]

I doubt he'd ever sell a concentrate, as that would mean a million suppliers now have legit variations of Boba's in their hands.

 

[NamVet68]

Are those the same ceramic wicks that nextel/3M produces (XC-116)? If so, what size to you use? That's the only material I haven't tried yet. Also looking for a supplier. thx.

I've never tried the XC-116 material, but I use Ekowool (which is a woven ceramic) in my Oddys/Ithakas/RDA & Kanger heads. In my Genesis attys, I make my own ceramic wicks from Aluminum Oxide rub bricks:
Bon 14-831 8-Inch by 2-Inch by 1-Inch 60 Grit Aluminum Oxide Tile Setters Stone and Rub Brick, White - Amazon.com

Right now, they are a DIY only (nobody sells them made from that material currently), but you can get FC-2000 wicks (the one they use in the new Zen Attys) in a couple of places:

Ceramic Wick
(out of stock currently, but they get them in regularly)

FC-2000 Ceramic Wick 1/8th 3 Pack - Kidney Puncher (out of stock too, but again - they get them in regularly)

Pro-Vapes (ZEN) sells them individually (dang...expensive!): Z-Atty-Pro - Ceramic Wick Replacement

There's an entire thread on ceramic wicks here. Very long, but has all kinds of info on how to make them, wrap them, and condition them properly - with many videos on how to do it:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modding-forum/362182-next-big-thing-porous-ceramic-wicks.html

Have fun....