My Boba's clone
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I'm thinking that your "little foamy/fizz thing" that you describe is a result of heating and/or shaking, which isn't the same as fermentation. If it sits for a while (like...days) and foams or makes a froth over time, that's real fermentation/aging. Maybe we're not on the same page here with our observations, but that's just me...
I agree, we're not on the same page. I don't think my juices are fermenting at all, not in the sense of alcohol or food fermentation. There are no sugars and there is no bacteria or yeast introduced.
My post was merely an observation of personal experience from making high VG liquids. I give liquids with PG the same treatment and don't observe this fizzy foam. Of course, everyone's mileage may vary. I wasn't stating a fact.
My post was merely an observation of personal experience from making high VG liquids. I give liquids with PG the same treatment and don't observe this fizzy foam. Of course, everyone's mileage may vary. I wasn't stating a fact.
Just to change the pace a bit.....it's been 4-5 months since Slowhands findings with the several recipes he introduced, #7 being the front runner to the actual BB based on those findings.
1.Have you experienced the same?
2.Did you notice changes based on the steeping time?
3.What alterations to the recipe seemed the most helpful?
4.What other ingredients have you used that haven't been posted here? (please read the thread throughly before chiming in)
Just trying to get a sense of what's working out there.
From my standpoint, the biggest change to the recipe I've made is substituting the Black & Mile with an equal ration of tobacco ACL & Tuscan Reserve and reversing the Cinnamon & Graham Cracker ratios as suggested.
Thoughts?
1.Have you experienced the same?
2.Did you notice changes based on the steeping time?
3.What alterations to the recipe seemed the most helpful?
4.What other ingredients have you used that haven't been posted here? (please read the thread throughly before chiming in)
Just trying to get a sense of what's working out there.
From my standpoint, the biggest change to the recipe I've made is substituting the Black & Mile with an equal ration of tobacco ACL & Tuscan Reserve and reversing the Cinnamon & Graham Cracker ratios as suggested.
Thoughts?
When the TA discussions started I tried a number of variations using TA instead of and with the B&M and couldn't make it happen. The TA was just ever present and I don't find that the original has any TA. I don't get the grassy notes in the original that TA seems to add to every mix that I use it in.
My other variations have been with NET's and they have been awesome! but it is extremely difficult (I find) to have consistent batches of NET's for flavor and that NET's MUST be filtered over and over again or else they are coil killers.
The base elements cinnamon danish, almond, graham cracker, etc have pretty much remained with some alterations in amounts.
Ethyl Vanillan (1 drop per 10 mls) has helped me in that I find that I'm still missing that ..... malty taste .... and EV has helped.
Amaretto is my next experiments.
My other variations have been with NET's and they have been awesome! but it is extremely difficult (I find) to have consistent batches of NET's for flavor and that NET's MUST be filtered over and over again or else they are coil killers.
The base elements cinnamon danish, almond, graham cracker, etc have pretty much remained with some alterations in amounts.
Ethyl Vanillan (1 drop per 10 mls) has helped me in that I find that I'm still missing that ..... malty taste .... and EV has helped.
Amaretto is my next experiments.
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Just to change the pace a bit.....it's been 4-5 months since Slowhands findings with the several recipes he introduced, #7 being the front runner to the actual BB based on those findings.
1.Have you experienced the same?
2.Did you notice changes based on the steeping time?
3.What alterations to the recipe seemed the most helpful?
4.What other ingredients have you used that haven't been posted here? (please read the thread throughly before chiming in)
Just trying to get a sense of what's working out there.
From my standpoint, the biggest change to the recipe I've made is substituting the Black & Mile with an equal ration of Tobacco ACL & Tuscan Reserve and reversing the Cinnamon & Graham Cracker ratios as suggested.
Thoughts?
1. Maybe a little BB on the exhale and aftertaste, but difference clearly noticeable to me at least (sorry slohand still replaced BB for my all time vape
)2. YES, try it after 20 days to 1 month.
3. Tried 50/50 black mile and TA PG blend. Black and mile is strong, but maybe if you steep it long enough you wouldn't need to level it down. Also tried 80/20 Black Mile/TA PG blend, i think works best for me.
4. Nothing, but i am too lazy to put vinegar all the time. I dunno did not feel a difference, but maybe when i put it there did not let it steep enough. I have to try it again. PLUS did not try reversing the Graham Cracker and Cinnamon, i have to try that next time.
PS: My other all day vape is the #8 recipe which a little bit further away from BB, but I like its complexity since it has more elements.
Ive never had BB but have a order from the wizard thats "out for delivery." I have some not all the flavorings -- excited to try all of the recipes, I read most of this thread, so I am putting another order in for the flavors, to catch up..
The OEM recipe maker is gonna get frustrated and post the recipe if he reads this long post, he may feels its an abomination. Yelling at the computer while reading clone variation no, no, no, hoping someone nails the mix if it hasn't been posted yet, keep the recipes coming lol... I like that I will be able to do it backwards to the final order @ the AVE.
The OEM recipe maker is gonna get frustrated and post the recipe if he reads this long post, he may feels its an abomination. Yelling at the computer while reading clone variation no, no, no, hoping someone nails the mix if it hasn't been posted yet, keep the recipes coming lol... I like that I will be able to do it backwards to the final order @ the AVE.
Here's a flavor that has some mystery like BB and it's called Oba Oba. Almost looks like BOBA. Perhaps this could be used as a cloned Tobacco base. It's made in Italy by Flavorart.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs-KzqEX0Cs&sns=em
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs-KzqEX0Cs&sns=em
I'm a fan of Oba Oba. It's a creamy, fruity, lightly citrusy flavor. there's a thread about it here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/410699-wow-oba-oba.html
I've thought about the similarities in the names before, but I taste no Oba Oba in Boba's Bounty.
I've thought about the similarities in the names before, but I taste no Oba Oba in Boba's Bounty.
The FlavorArt Italiano Guys were at VapeCan with a booth but they didn't come with a lot of flavors
Maybe Mindfield got a special batch.
Trying to say that with a straight face snicker
Maybe Mindfield got a special batch.
Trying to say that with a straight face snicker
So, I wasn't really thinking about cloning BB personally but I just got my order of SC flavors in from Vapingzone and as soon as I smelled the French Pipe flavor My sense memory immediately recalled Boba's. Went and grabbed my bottle of BB and alternated smelling both and to me at least the flavor profile is exactly the same, crazy actually. Have not tried vaping it yet, waiting on my first batches to steep overnight.
Has anyone tried VZ's French Pipe super concentrate in their cloning attempts? I did a search for french pipe in this thread and nothing came back.
Has anyone tried VZ's French Pipe super concentrate in their cloning attempts? I did a search for french pipe in this thread and nothing came back.
Oh, and I also got a bottle of VZ's Black Cigar, which I have heard is pretty much the same (heard better actually) than ECX's Black Mile. To me while I can see why people feel it works for Boba's there is just too much chocolate note in it for me. French Pipe is way closer.
I'm using VZ's Black Cigar since B&M plus was sold out at the time. I tried slohands #7 recipe. I couldn't taste the almond extract, and it seemed like the vinegar didn't do much. But it could just be my vapors tongue.
I still think its a good recipe. But I'm trying different variations of flavor combinations using the #7 recipe as a guide.
Thanks for the info about the French pipe. I thought black cigar smelled similar as a base of BB but maybe French Pipe will be better. Now I have to get some.
I can see how black cigar could be in there. Since it is a blend of three tobaccos they may both be, for me French Pipe is the dominant profile though. I would say a lot of FP, a little Black Cigar and no clue as to what the third one is. Maybe a Flue Cured of some kind.
I do think all of these different flavors we get with BB are mainly coming from these three tobacco's though.
I do think all of these different flavors we get with BB are mainly coming from these three tobacco's though.
I just made another experimental batch.
All flavoring @ 15%
Recipe:
Black Cigar 40%
Cinnamon Danish Swirl 30%
Graham Cracker 20%
EM (ethyl malto) 5%
Vinegar 5%
I've been doing different flavor combinations...but doing them within the confines of equaling 100% flavor. BB might be using more than 100% flavoring. But even so...if someone nails down the recipe with the right flavors, I think it's possible to recreate it staying within a 100% flavor range.
All flavoring @ 15%
Recipe:
Black Cigar 40%
Cinnamon Danish Swirl 30%
Graham Cracker 20%
EM (ethyl malto) 5%
Vinegar 5%
I've been doing different flavor combinations...but doing them within the confines of equaling 100% flavor. BB might be using more than 100% flavoring. But even so...if someone nails down the recipe with the right flavors, I think it's possible to recreate it staying within a 100% flavor range.
Think I am going to mess around with blending French Pipe, Black Cigar and another tobacco, maybe Honey Flu Cured or Tuscan reserve and see what happens.
I am pretty sure though that the French Pipe, or something very similar is the main base flavor. I also have a bottle of GJ and that even more than BB smells exactly like the French Pipe and if he said he removes two tobaccos flavors for GJ then the FP is the one that remains.
I am pretty sure though that the French Pipe, or something very similar is the main base flavor. I also have a bottle of GJ and that even more than BB smells exactly like the French Pipe and if he said he removes two tobaccos flavors for GJ then the FP is the one that remains.
IMO, Mindfield (Eric), the preeminent ejuice specific reviewer on the planet. thx for sharing, I missed that one.
I would be very interested in your findings on this one. Never thought of French Pipe, perhaps because my memories are from Dekang French Pipe, which I remember was very sweet. Especially interested on how the French Pipe reacts with the Tuscan.
Well I am still waiting on my order with Tuscan so it may be a bit before I can get to it.
The VZ French Pipe has quickly become a favorite, just mixed up a batch with 3% and .5% of cream and let it steep overnight with caps off and this morning it is delicious. Next batch is going to have a bit of cherry and maybe almond in it.
The VZ French Pipe has quickly become a favorite, just mixed up a batch with 3% and .5% of cream and let it steep overnight with caps off and this morning it is delicious. Next batch is going to have a bit of cherry and maybe almond in it.
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