Another J/W here I've had the same charger 4 months and charge the biggest baddest 18650's on the market almost daily, no problems here
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My Charger just exploded.
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Mind you, those are LiPo batteries. IMR cells should not act like that in any way. And that's basically why we use IMR cells and not LiPos.
This is how IMR cells act when shorted:
I have an Nitecore Intellicharger i2. I have had it perhaps four months or so. I use it daily, and it has never had an issue. I use only Panasonic (NCR) and AW batteries (IMR). I charge my batteries in a cast iron kettle because I do leave them unattended sometimes. I have a Trustfire TR-001 that was my first charger and it served me well also.
I had planned to get an Xtar WP2S and will probably do so, but not out of of fear of my other chargers failing or harming me. I honestly believe battery quality to be the most important safety issue all vapers deal with, with the possible exception of making your own coils...but some vapers never even dabble with this.
I had planned to get an Xtar WP2S and will probably do so, but not out of of fear of my other chargers failing or harming me. I honestly believe battery quality to be the most important safety issue all vapers deal with, with the possible exception of making your own coils...but some vapers never even dabble with this.
My two coppers on this whole thing.
People charge Lithium Ion batteries all the time. Cell phones, laptops, tablets, etc. Generally, those are left charging unattended by countless thousands of individuals. Shoot, my notebook rarely gets unplugged unless I'm taking it out and about. Do I worry about it? No, I do not.
If one does their due diligence on the charger and batteries they use, there really shouldn't be any issues with charging batteries. If the battery is damaged in any way, it should be disposed of properly and a new one used in its place. The chargers should be known good chargers. Inspect the charger and battery regularly, including the power cord.
If many want to take additional steps to charge their batteries, that's fine. But I don't think we, as a community, needs to fear leaving things unattended for a few hours just because of a few incidents. My gut feeling is that some quest too hard for those "good deals" and get batteries that aren't up to par. Couple that with a no-name brand charger and now we're talking boo-boo city.
Some places are having issues getting batteries imported (Canada is one of 'em!). This may be tempting for some suppliers to get batteries from anywhere and pass them on to their customers. We need to be aware that there are substandard batteries out there and be careful with our purchases. Some brands are definitely better than others. Some suppliers have a better reputation than others. It's up to us to ensure we shop wisely and safely.
People charge Lithium Ion batteries all the time. Cell phones, laptops, tablets, etc. Generally, those are left charging unattended by countless thousands of individuals. Shoot, my notebook rarely gets unplugged unless I'm taking it out and about. Do I worry about it? No, I do not.
If one does their due diligence on the charger and batteries they use, there really shouldn't be any issues with charging batteries. If the battery is damaged in any way, it should be disposed of properly and a new one used in its place. The chargers should be known good chargers. Inspect the charger and battery regularly, including the power cord.
If many want to take additional steps to charge their batteries, that's fine. But I don't think we, as a community, needs to fear leaving things unattended for a few hours just because of a few incidents. My gut feeling is that some quest too hard for those "good deals" and get batteries that aren't up to par. Couple that with a no-name brand charger and now we're talking boo-boo city.
Some places are having issues getting batteries imported (Canada is one of 'em!). This may be tempting for some suppliers to get batteries from anywhere and pass them on to their customers. We need to be aware that there are substandard batteries out there and be careful with our purchases. Some brands are definitely better than others. Some suppliers have a better reputation than others. It's up to us to ensure we shop wisely and safely.
I think if People looked at How Many incidents of Batteries Exploding or Chargers Failing to the Total Amount of Batteries being Charged that they would see that chances of a Problem are Quite Small.
But are the chances the Same as my Cell Phone Exploding? On this I say No. I believe that the Chances are Much Higher.
The reason I say this lies part in what you mentioned above. A Large Majority of e-Cigarette users Demand Rock Bottom Prices. That and Traceability and Liability seem to be Very Illusive in the e-Cigarette world.
If I buy a new Dell Laptop or AT&T Smart Phone and the Battery melts down, it is going to be Replaced without Question. It is going to be Replaced because the OEM doesn't want their product name Tarnished. And there is Always the threat of Lawsuit. Can the Same be Said about All e-Cigarette Hardware?
OEM's require a High Level of Quality Control from there Component Suppliers. And OEM's have the Ability to perform All Manors of in house Testing to Ensure that the Product they put there name on meets a High Level of Performance and Quality.
But I don't see that much in the e-Cigarette Market.
Many e-Cigarette Hardware vendors have the same amount of Expertise as their Customers. In some cases, they have even Less. Many retailers (Most?) have to rely on the Supplier for Insurance of Quality. And when the Burden of Quality is on the Manufacture of a Product, there is a Huge Potential for Problems.
Also when the Reasonable Likelihood of Legal Litigation is removed from the Loop, the Potential for Substandard Products entering into the Market can Dramatically Increase.
There is also the Ubiquitous Problem of Fakes, Clones, Knock-Offs. How does a User know what they are Buying is Actually a Genuine Product? How does the Average Retailer even Know?
I may be told that the Mean Rate of Failure for a Given Battery is 1 in 100,000, but as a Retailer, how can I ensure that this is True? Or even that the Batteries I bought thru Alibaba are even what they are Advertised to be?
Lastly, there is the Issue of Meeting Production Requirements. The e-Cigarette market is Growing at an Exponential Rate. When a Manufactures are running Full Tilt to meet Demand, Quality and Consistency suffers. There can become a Mind Set of Just Crank the Stuff out as Fast as You can and put it in a Box bound for a Retailer in the USA. And couple this with the Fact that the Profit Margin is the Thinnest Possible, well, Sometimes Quality goes Down. And Failure Rate goes Up.
So for Me, I take a Little Extra Care with my e-Cigarette Hardware. Because I think the Likelihood of having a Catastrophic Failure of a Battery or a Battery Charger is Greater than in Most other Product Markets.
A Small amount of Extra Precaution like Never Charging a Battery Unattended or Not Charging a Battery on a Pile of Oily Rags takes Very Little Effort on My Part. And it Dramatically Minimizes the Potential for a Serious Event if I happen to be the 1 in 10,000 who Encounters a Problem.
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I always charge my batteries on the stovetop like you said. If that option is not available, i'll lay it in a pot. Anything to reduce the possibility of catching my house on fire if one of these does decide to blow!
I had the same thing happen to me. I'm new at this and it was a "Magic Puff." I don't know the specifics of the battery but I did charge it in the kitchen, right next to the stove. 1:30 in the am I heard a noise and thought I got shot while sleeping. Crap everywhere, melted utensils and a burnt countertop. What a mess!!!! 3 of my Vape stores said they never heard of this happening. Never, ever go to bed with a battery on a charge, no matter what room it's in!
I also use the I2 and have had no problems in the 5 months of use so far.
I always have my charger in a huge roasting pot top opened, this way any venting would be contained, also I keep thus pot well away from anything combustible.
I believe in the last 6 months our Vapeing community has grown enormously, and that possibly because of this many more I2 etc have been ordered, and that the quality has been skipped because of market growth. Not saying this is the cause of charger problem, or that the OP actually had his charger blow up.
As a millwright I work around all types of electrical units, etc. I know the potential for Anything electrical to malfunction. But common sense goes a long way, in avoiding and protection.
It's also my experience that 99% of these issues are operator failures to follow directions etc, just saying. My number might be wrong but I'm sure it's pretty close, lol.
I always have my charger in a huge roasting pot top opened, this way any venting would be contained, also I keep thus pot well away from anything combustible.
I believe in the last 6 months our Vapeing community has grown enormously, and that possibly because of this many more I2 etc have been ordered, and that the quality has been skipped because of market growth. Not saying this is the cause of charger problem, or that the OP actually had his charger blow up.
As a millwright I work around all types of electrical units, etc. I know the potential for Anything electrical to malfunction. But common sense goes a long way, in avoiding and protection.
It's also my experience that 99% of these issues are operator failures to follow directions etc, just saying. My number might be wrong but I'm sure it's pretty close, lol.
Keep covering it with your wallet, get your bills out first just in case.
It's funny how ppl complain about Chinese crap, but EVERYTHING is made in china now, so there is only crap and semi-crap.
Been using this charger for months now, haven't burned anything or anyone yet, so I guess i'm lucky.
I certainly didn't mean to throw anyone in a panic; The videos I posted are multi-cell arrangements (i.e., a battery). Most people using APV or mods use single cells. None (that I know) use flat-packs.
I think the point has been made to:
- stick to quality cells (Panasonic, AW IMR, Sony, ...)
- bought from reliable vendors (no clones)
- treat them gently (damage can cause a failure)
- use a good charger (don't over/under charge)
- attended charge, or if unattended, options to do it safer (metal box, charging bag)
- proper storage and transportation (carrying box)
I use LiFePO4 in RC, and I've made my own battery packs. They are very powerful (higher discharge rate than LiPo), and I treat them with respect, because I know what they're capable of doing. I use them to drive two (540) electric motors, the kind you find in a cordless drill.
I think the point has been made to:
- stick to quality cells (Panasonic, AW IMR, Sony, ...)
- bought from reliable vendors (no clones)
- treat them gently (damage can cause a failure)
- use a good charger (don't over/under charge)
- attended charge, or if unattended, options to do it safer (metal box, charging bag)
- proper storage and transportation (carrying box)
I use LiFePO4 in RC, and I've made my own battery packs. They are very powerful (higher discharge rate than LiPo), and I treat them with respect, because I know what they're capable of doing. I use them to drive two (540) electric motors, the kind you find in a cordless drill.
Awesome post among many awesome posts
Someone on the main MBV thread recently had a loose battery vent in his pocket on loose change.
His Provari got scorched. I said he's lucky it wasn't his other mod.
Don't scorch your mod (or worse).
Don't carry loose batteries in your pocket. It could be even worse than getting your face rebuilt.
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I agree timbit and that's what I do ... well, at least 70% awake, aware, sober/clean & emotionally/mentally/physically capable
We had a thread a little while back asking if people charged batts while sleeping. I was amazed at how many people did this.
And as far as the fire extinguisher goes ... I am pretty sure you and I are the only two people on ECF that have one handy! I attribute this to the nerd in me
I have a fire extinguisher i got specifcally for recharging LiPo batteries But I also fly RC helicopters so i was well aware of the dangers of these batteries before i started vaping.
When I started coming to ECF i was shocked and appalled at how people are charging these things while sleeping, thats insanity.
Please people for your own safety use extreme caution with these things and NEVER charge while sleeping or when you cannot be close-by .
Oh and dont store them in your hot car in the summer thats just asking for trouble.
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You would be Amazed how many Households Don't Have a Fire Extinguisher.
No sir. I have one in my kitchen and in my truck. Comes from having a friend that burnt his kitchen down due to throwing water on a grease fire
I bought him one too...
Uh......4 in the house and one in each of the 4x4's....due to hauling water for 3 1/2 years before I got my well and no Fire Department
thank you for sharing as a noob who just ordered a mech kit it's good to be reminded that high power battery's/chargers can be dangerous and not leave them alone or be careless about where you use them. I don't love china QC but issues can arise from any manufacture when dealing with these(seams to me)
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