My Chuck Blew Up---LITERALLY

[Lalesa]

Let's give this thread a rest. The OP admits fault and he is jumped on as well as anyone else that is trying to learn by asking questions. I believe all this thread is doing is beating a dead horse now. If somebody has something to say that has not already been said by all means contribute if nothing more productive can be said then let it go. Noone needs thier nose rubbed in a MISTAKE like this and from what I understand it was a simple mistake. JMO

+1 Shelbee - Well said

 

[taukimada]

TheBigD... good to hear you arre ok... we could spend all day focusing on how stupid you may have been to make a mistake but personally i think it better to focus on the knowledge gained from your mistake..

it was good of you to take the heat and post about this. the batteries we use in our mods are ticking time bombs in the hands of unkowledgeable users... so it is important that incidents like this come to light.. and while i can understand some people WILL take advantage of the situation to take pot shots at you, (believe me.. i would if i felt it would be helpful) i believe the info to be of importance enough to be more important than simply calling anybody stupid or moronic

now.. personally.. i dont cater to the battery hysteria that some are trying to instill everytime an instance of a battery overheating occurs.. there are some simple rules that should be followed hen using these batteries... and if you follow them.. you just may survive with all body parts intact in the case of a short.. the main ones that i personally have learned from experince are...

if you mash the button and nothing happens... do NOT keep mashing the button in an attempt to "jump start" it. SOMETHING IS WRONG... check your gear (personally i have a 3x button press... if the 3rd button press doesnt work.. i start taking things apart to readjust)

KNOW YOUR MOD.. you use it all the time... you should know the standard temperature that the body of the mod runs during usage... at the first indication of the body warmming up more than usual... CHECK YOUR GEAR

MOST IMPORTANTLY... if your mod heats to the point where you cannot help but notice the temperature change... DO NOT MESS WITH IT.. get it out of your hands as quickly as you can in a "safe-ish" area (do NOT get caught pulling your gear apart during a venting.. you WILL get burned... BADLY)

follow those simple common sense tactics.. and you should be fine EVEN in the event of a venting

TheBigD thank you once again for taking the piss by posting about this issue.. your possibility of being offended is FAR outwieghed by the lesson you learned and the community at large now has available to them.. and to those taking the potshots at him... your talent is much better served aimed at some of the unbelieveably idiotic advice i've seen thrown out in this thread instead of a guy willing to bypass his own embarrassment to get the word out about the dangers of battery misshandling LOL

Tauk

 

[JamBandPhan]

dang it, double posts...sorry folks.

 

[JamBandPhan]

I got the 16340 4 Trustfire and one Ultrafire batteries in the mail today, they are all labeled as rechargeable and protected (PCB). So I feel a bit better about using them. I know these are not supposed to be as good as the AW brand, but at least they say they are rechargeable and protected. I also got the Trustfire mulit-charger that says it works for protected batteries on the package, and is good for 10430, 10440, 14500,16340, 17670, 18500, 18650 so that covers all the bats I plan to use right now. I don't plan to stack any, so at least that won't be an issue.

 

[tribalmasters]

It is great news to hear your OK BigD

Is it possible to vape using Nimh cells? Obviously the battery box will be large but hopefully Nimhs are safer from what I have heard

I've thrown my mods away and the batteries I am taking them to be recycled safely. Only using the Penstyle, Janty Ego and Janty Stick now.

 

[Drozd]

I initially went to MadVapes (where I got the batteries for my Little Chuck) but they were out of stock. Battery Junction also didn't have any. So I Googled the battery size and found that site.

I didn't buy from there because they were cheap, I bought them there because they had them in stock. When you factor in shipping the batteries I got worked out to the same as the Ultrafire ones I got from Battery Junction. I try to buy from MadVapes because he supports the community.

I was just so excited to try vaping at 6v that I became careless, and didn't pay close attention to what I bought/what I used.

But hey, it's the Internet, where it is fun to make judgements about things and people you know little about! Enjoy!

TheBigD...first off let me say that I wasn't implying that you specifically were being cheap or passing judgement on you specifically...if it came across that way I'm sorry....and I want to add that I'm glad to hear that you are ok...

What I WAS saying is that I see alot of people cutting corners and just trying to get their batteries on the cheap and this can help lead to poor choices in batteries being made..heck I even saw a post by someone implying that all CR123a batteries were rechargeable just by the fact that they were Lion 123 batteries so they were advocating just going to the store and picking up the energizer Lion 123 batteries and charging those...bottom line is that it happens people cut corners to save a buck..

I totally understand the excitement of wanting to try 6 volt... I have the same issue...and in some ways I'd say that this is the nice thing about the wait time between ordering your device and getting it, because it geive you time to learn more about batteries and get them picked out and ordered.. let me explain that a bit...I've got a different mod comming to me soon...that one uses either a 14500 battery for 3.7V or 2 unprotected CR2 batteries for 6V...both of which I ordered from madvapes (protected 14500 by the way).. after getting the batteries (which are ultrafires by the way) and doing some more research I won't be using them...but I didn't have the mod yet so I had time to get something else..the 14500s though advertised as protected and you can see the ridge at the top and bottom of the batteries indicating presence of a pcb do not say protected anywhere on the battery label so I ordered AW prtected 14500s to replace them and those do have protected on the label..unfortunately the best I could do as far as the CR2s go is substitute protected ultrafire 14250 3.6V batteries since they will fit in the maximum dimmensions available (protected CR2s won't) so I loose 6V as an option but that can be made up for with a HV atty..and I'm not happy that they're ultrafires but AW didn't have any available options...But I've had 30 days to get to that point and take some of the edge off the excitement...what I'm getting at is I understand excitement but on this subject thats been beaten to death why someone would risk using something that's not one of the 3 or 4 different options thats been proven to work versus the unknown..it's just adding to the posibility of a bad failure.

 

[Debbie]

So I guess the gist of this thread is that if the batteries SAY 'protected' on them, then they ARE protected. If they don't SAY 'protected' on them, then they are NOT protected and I'll likely blow my face off vaping with them and later be told I'm an ....

If they SAY 'rechargeable' on them, then they ARE rechargeable. If they don't SAY 'rechargeable', then they are NOT rechargeable and I'll likely blow my face off vaping with them and later told I'm an ....

Unless of course, they SAY 'protected' because the Chinese have covered up the real battery that is NOT 'protected' in which case they are really NOT 'protected' and I'll likely blow my face off and later be told I'm an ....

Or they say 'rechargeable' because the Chinese have covered up the real battery that is NOT 'rechargeable' in which case they are really NOT rechargeable and I'll likely blow my face off and later be told I'm an ....

Or, unless they have just skipped the R meaning 'rechargeable' in front of the letters, in which case they really are rechargeable and I won't blow my face off, etc. Or maybe they've added an R, when they're NOT rechargeable, which means they're really NOT rechargeable and I'll blow my face off, etc.

Or if I order 'protected' and 'rechargeable' batteries and the suppliers sends me 'unprotected' and 'non-rechargeable' batteries, in which case I'm just an ... anyway.

Or if I order the batteries recommended by the seller of the mod and I still blow my face off in which case he/she is an ... which, of course, makes me an ... for buying from an ....

OK, guys, got it! So much less confusing now. Thank you!

I've thrown my mods away and the batteries I am taking them to be recycled safely. Only using the Penstyle, Janty Ego and Janty Stick now.

Giving up Tribal? Why? It's really so simple!

Debbie

 

[Debbie]

And Doots - thanks for the outright example/suggestion. I got it! Nice to have an outright suggestion from someone who REALLY knows something about batteries rather than rants from those who CLAIM to know all about them.

Do you have any suggestions for an 18650?

I'm currently using the 'Ultrafire LC 18650 2400mAh 3.7v Li-ion' which does not state 'Protected', although it does state 'Rechargeable battery with PCB', 'High rate discharge, no memory effect', 'Short circuit. overcharge and Discharge protection.' Or would you say this battery can be considered 'protected' (unless, of course, any of the contrary conditions exist [see post above] )?

Debbie

 

[Drozd]

So I guess the gist of this thread is that if the batteries SAY 'protected' on them, then they ARE protected. If they don't SAY 'protected' on them, then they are NOT protected and I'll likely blow my face off vaping with them and later be told I'm an ....

If they SAY 'rechargeable' on them, then they ARE rechargeable. If they don't SAY 'rechargeable', then they are NOT rechargeable and I'll likely blow my face off vaping with them and later told I'm an ....

Unless of course, they SAY 'protected' because the Chinese have covered up the real battery that is NOT 'protected' in which case they are really NOT 'protected' and I'll likely blow my face off and later be told I'm an ....

Or they say 'rechargeable' because the Chinese have covered up the real battery that is NOT 'rechargeable' in which case they are really NOT rechargeable and I'll likely blow my face off and later be told I'm an ....

Or, unless they have just skipped the R meaning 'rechargeable' in front of the letters, in which case they really are rechargeable and I won't blow my face off, etc. Or maybe they've added an R, when they're NOT rechargeable, which means they're really NOT rechargeable and I'll blow my face off, etc.

Or if I order 'protected' and 'rechargeable' batteries and the suppliers sends me 'unprotected' and 'non-rechargeable' batteries, in which case I'm just an ... anyway.

Or if I order the batteries recommended by the seller of the mod and I still blow my face off in which case he/she is an ... which, of course, makes me an ... for buying from an ....

OK, guys, got it! So much less confusing now. Thank you!
Debbie

Yup if you willfully refuse to learn anything about the batteries you're intending to use, choose to buy no name batteries that no where at all indicate that they are rechargeable or protected, and get substitutes instead from the supplier that also don't indicate that they are rechargeable or protected...and choose to place them on a charger and choose to attemt to vape with them and ignore any warning signs like them not working or getting hot...and blow your face off...then yeah I'll call you an ......
Why? because it could directly affect me and what choices are available to me even though I've done my homework and checked for my own safety and recognized any inherant associated risk and chose to accept it or not..
...and that's the reality of it..
your bone headed ignorance may affect my ability to buy or discuss my chosen mod here on this board not to mention cut into the manufacturers ability to advertise or support their customers here on this board..
Because bottom line is though after the fact you may say that the fault is not with the mod or modder...apparently ECF feels that the fault IS with the mod and we must protect against the stupid using devices against manufacturers recomendations..
See this: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...oding-mods-current-situation.html#post1128521

So when your actions result in the posibility of things being ruined for others and increased scrutiny and regulation...yeah you're an ...

 

[Debbie]

In case anyone hasn't seen it:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...s/76078-exploding-mods-current-situation.html

Debbie

 

[Debbie]

Also, for those who asked, I PM'd Jeff about drilling holes in the bottom cap of the Chuck and he said it wouldn't hurt.

Debbie

 

[Debbie]

Yup if you willfully refuse to learn anything about the batteries you're intending to use, choose to buy no name batteries that no where at all indicate that they are rechargeable or protected, and get substitutes instead from the supplier that also don't indicate that they are rechargeable or protected...and choose to place them on a charger and choose to attemt to vape with them and ignore any warning signs like them not working or getting hot...and blow your face off...then yeah I'll call you an ......
Why? because it could directly affect me and what choices are available to me even though I've done my homework and checked for my own safety and any recognized any inherant associated risk
...and that's the reality of it..
your bone headed ignorance may affect my ability to buy or discuss my chosen mod here on this board not to mention cut into the manufacturers ability to advertise or support their customers here on this board..
Because bottom line is though after the fact you may say that the fault is not with the mod or modder...apparently ECF feels that the fault IS with the mod and we must protect against the stupid using devices against manufacturers recomendations..
See this: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...oding-mods-current-situation.html#post1128521

So when your actions result in the posibility of things being ruined for others and increased scrutiny and regulation...yeah you're an ...

I guess you missed one of Rolygate's stated ACTIONS NOW REQUIRED:

ECF - action now required
We must warn buyers about the obvious and proven dangers.
We must publish our own interim safety specification.
We need to decide whether to stop the promotion of mods on ECF that do not comply; or alternatively, issue strong warnings that are unavoidable by visitors, against buying a mod unless it has guaranteed safety features.
We should advise people not to use unprotected batteries under any circumstances.
We should publish lists of safe batteries and known unprotected batteries.
We must try to get industry members to finally take this issue seriously.

I guess he agrees with me.

Debbie

 

[Poeia]

i do not have the ability to drill holes in metal.

I would welcome posts in the ECF library on each of those topics, especially:

• We must publish our own interim safety specification.
• We should advise people not to use unprotected batteries under any circumstances.
• We should publish lists of safe batteries and known unprotected batteries.

It would be best if those posts were written by people with actual credentials. In the linked post, the second risk factor listed is combining the batteries, especially in a series. Yet only a week ago a different moderator told me that a chain of batteries was not a factor in this.

I'm sure everyone is posting what they think is correct, but 200 people (including me) posting contradictory information because it's what they believe or what they think they've learned after reading PV forums for 3 months doesn't help those of us with no knowledge of batteries, etc.

I have a masters degree. I'm not going to get additional ones in electrical engineering and physics just so I can vape. I would, however, be delighted to read information people who already have that level of expertise could impart (especially if it were in plain English.)

 

[Debbie]

I'm not suggesting that Jeff stated that everyone 'needed' to drill holes in their chucks. It's just that my husband asked me (as he does have the necessary equipment to do it) if he should do it to our chucks. So I PM'd Jeff to see if it would affect the chuck's performance. He said it wouldn't hurt them.

And, Poe, I agree. An easily accessible list of suggested batteries that are known by the experts to be dependable and safe would be very helpful for those of us not interested in earning a degree in batteries. Protected may not guarantee safety, but the list would eliminate confusion over choosing the right batteries.

Debbie

 

[menthollight]

Thanks for posting your experience, BigD, and I'm glad you're OK.

Is there any chance you could post pictures of the remaining pair of Evergreen batteries, or post what's written on them, to make it easier for us to avoid them?

 

[Drozd]

I guess you missed one of Rolygate's stated ACTIONS NOW REQUIRED:

ECF - action now required
We must warn buyers about the obvious and proven dangers.
We must publish our own interim safety specification.
We need to decide whether to stop the promotion of mods on ECF that do not comply; or alternatively, issue strong warnings that are unavoidable by visitors, against buying a mod unless it has guaranteed safety features.
We should advise people not to use unprotected batteries under any circumstances.
We should publish lists of safe batteries and known unprotected batteries.
We must try to get industry members to finally take this issue seriously.

I guess he agrees with me.

Debbie

yeah he aslo talks about ECF instituting it's own safety specifications and banning the advertisement of mods that don't meet those specs...which I don't believe any currently available mod has all the safety specs he suggested...
And that very well could affect what I'm available to find and buy for my own use..

and there's nothing wrong with unprotected batteries as long as they're used as intended...and what constitutes protected? PCB? what about safe chemistry batteries like LiFePo4 or high drain LiMN batteries that don't contain PCBs because they arent needed? what about the batteries that are safe until some end user lets the wrapper on the battery become cut or damaged or they remove the wrapper and use them anyway...

There's a point where the responsibility has to fall on the end user..educate yourself on what you're about to use or don't use it

 

[Quick1]

i do not have the ability to drill holes in metal.

It would be best if those posts were written by people with actual credentials.
I have a masters degree. I'm not going to get additional ones in electrical engineering and physics just so I can vape. I would, however, be delighted to read information people who already have that level of expertise could impart (especially if it were in plain English.)

There's a point where the responsibility has to fall on the end user..educate yourself on what you're about to use or don't use it

And, Poe, I agree. An easily accessible list of suggested batteries that are known by the experts to be dependable and safe would be very helpful for those of us not interested in earning a degree in batteries. Protected may not guarantee safety, but the list would eliminate confusion over choosing the right batteries.

...and how much are you willing to pay for others to take the liability or provide "expert" advice? And how much flexibility are you willing to forego?

You did notice that ECF is unwilling to make recommendations, post the approved and unapproved list(s), or even be associated with the "committee" that rules on rejects/approves products? It's because of the liability issues. Most (all?) of the vendors here are extremely small operations. One or two or a very few people with a garage business. Many of them have day jobs. They can't come close to affording liability insurance much less extensive product testing, failure testing, or things like UL certifications. If you want "safe with guarantees" your options may only be the US major manufacturers of e-cig hardware -- of which there are none? I'm not sure how a liability claim against a company like Joye would go either.

Then are you willing to pay 5x to 10x for a mod? Most consumer products of this sort have a at least a 4x markup? (when sold in massive volumes). It's because of the above. I think right now the industry is in the innovator "hobby" stage.

You're asking for someone to give you a guarantee for what's absolutely safe and what's not. I think I can do that for you right now (although I'm not an expert ). NONE of the mods are absolutely safe. As far as I know none of them have gone through any of the standard certifications with respect to this. As far as I know NONE of the Joye, etc. products have either? The list you're asking for is empty. The informational articles you're asking for are readily available and have been pointed to many times. Battery University, Electropaedia, etc. etc. You want someone to summarize it for you and say "buy this exactly". It depends on the whole solution, the mod, how you use it, etc, etc. We already know some or all of those components haven't been certified as "safe" to the degree you're asking for. As soon as someone proclaims themself an "expert" and "approves" particular products as safe or not, they may be opening themselves to liability issues (I am also not a lawyer). I'd say don't do it or educate yourself to the degree that you feel comfortable that you understand what the risks are and the level of risk you're willing to take. What's perfectly acceptable for one person may be totally unacceptable for another. If you don't want to make the effort and don't feel comfortable then don't do it. I'm not sure it's right to ask someone else to assume that responsibility for you.

On one hand everybody is up in arms about the FDA trying to regulate the industry and on the other hand you're pretty much asking for exactly that.

 

[Kent C]

The batteries were "Evergreen" CR123A I got from 24hourbatteries, though the ones in the ad you order from are silver, these were a metallic green. .

Did they look like this?

Meritline.com - Evergreen CR123A 3.0 Volt Lithium Cylindrical Battery

.. if so, then they were not rechargeable (see the back of the package) as a few have mentioned. It isn't a 'protected/non-protected' issue. Not that, that isn't an issue, just not in the case, it appears. The vendor may have assumed, when they shouldn't have, esp. if you specified the ultrafire ones, which are rechargeable. Glad you're ok BigD.

 

[sbphotog]

Wow, Glad ur okay BigD...


I use Ultrafire 18350 1200mAh blue batts re/discharging protection circuit that I got from Madvapes. I'm assuming these are a safe(er) batt to use?

 

[gjrhine]

What exactly does "protected" mean? Does it mean protected from overcharging?

I use an electrical countdown timer like this set for three hours on a charger.