My ecig caused a huge crapstorm at work.

[Firegrl]

I have to say I don't get it. Why do we, as vapers, feel so entitled to smoke at work or in public places now?

Just because we are trying to quit smoking does NOT give us the right to say we NEED to "vape" at work or in public. Were we allowed to smoke analogs inside? No....so why should we be special now? I know it's not the same as smoking, we don't exhale nasty, smelly substances that kill, but we also can't expect everyone else to still have to inhale what we exhale. And we still do exhale substances, they may not be harmful, but we shouldn't force everyone to do it just because.

And if this guy works in a plant where there are chemicals and combustible materials, I wouldn't want someone using an ecig either. If something does happen, which I will fully agree would probably be rare, he wouldn't be putting just himself at risk. He would be risking the lives of all his coworkers. Just to get a nic fix. Isn't that partially why we quit smoking in the first place, to cut the risk of our loved ones, etc.?

I vape in my house cuz I pay the damn mortgage and bills. I own it so I make the decisions and my boyfriend who also lives there is ok with it. If he wasn't, I would still go outside.

I see stories on here how people ask everyone in the office BEFORE vaping, and if they are all ok with it and on board, great! But I do think EVERYONE around you should be asked. I don't agree with asking one store/restaurant employee or just your boss for permission. You still exhale a substance that lingers in the air for awhile, and yes it does linger, before disappearing and anyone that has to breathe that same air should be asked.

Come on people. These things are made to look and act like real cigs, so I'm not going to EXPECT people to just accept it, especially since we've been vilified by everyone in the past few years.

And when it comes to work, I would like to think I'm adult enough to have the self control to wait until break to vape. I did afterall have to do that with smoking for 14 years, so why should that change now? And I'd much rather keep my job than throw fits about vaping. After all, I can't PAY for my supplies if I don't have a job....

This was not really directed at one person, so not trying to hurt feelings here, but I just think some of us got caught up in the whole "it's not like smoking" thing and take it too far...

 

[mn shutterbug]

You still exhale a substance that lingers in the air for awhile, and yes it does linger, before disappearing and anyone that has to breathe that same air should be asked.

This can be said for many things that aren't exhaled, such as body odor, gas and perfume, just to mention a few. But, we sometimes have to breathe these in, and they smell much worse.

 

[OMB]

Okay...so if they allowed smoking in the production area, but told you that you could not vape...that would be a fight. Since nobody is allowed to smoke in that area, you should follow what the smoker's rules are. Simple.
Not being able to vape where others cannot smoke is not discriminatory...it's keeping all things equal. Go outside with the smokers, or stealth vape somewhere away from the others.

 

[PlanetScribbles]

That's not even close to the same thing since people don't get second hand fat, and no one is going to be willing to listen to any sort of evidence about smoking vs vaping and the many studies done on inhaling PG when it's presented belligerently. I also don't think it's fair to call someone a "hater" because they disapprove of a behavior.

There are plenty of things that are perfectly legal but are banned at work. Taking, and keeping, a job requires following some rules in the workplace regardless of how one feels about those rules.

It's the same because it is the summit of a slippery slope. Shall we substitute the burger and fries analogy for a Nicorette inhalator then, just for the sake of argument? It's a lame comparison to compare an e-cig with tobacco. Really lame. What is more lame than anything, is that in a car plant it seems to me than an e-cig is probably the safest thing in the place

 

[~Jo~]

It's the same because it is the summit of a slippery slope. Shall we substitute the burger and fries analogy for a Nicorette inhalator then, just for the sake of argument? It's a lame comparison to compare an e-cig with tobacco. Really lame. What is more lame than anything, is that in a car plant it seems to me than an e-cig is probably the safest thing in the place

Not hardly. This isn't the government pushing a ban, it's just a company making a policy for its employees. Sometimes they make decisions based on facts, sometimes on personal opinion, and sometimes on just plain ignorance. If they make decisions based on ignorance, one can attempt to present the facts. Many decisions of this sort have to do with morale and productivity as much as health and safety.

But in the end, it's still the decision of the company which behaviors they'll allow while people are at work, being paid to do a job. Sometimes that sucks, but it's just part of working for someone else.

 

[Deadconvoy]

i find that really it's a matter to where you are. If you at work, ask first. If your coworkers and the one signing your checks doesn't have a problem, then your good.

On another note sometimes all it takes is a little explaining to get people to see vaping for what it is. we've been stepping outside for smoke breaks for years, it can't get worse than that, so the status quo can remain the same of improve either way you situation doesn't deteriorate.

Smoker or nonsmoker it always pays to be courteous.

 

[Bobnoxious]

It's the same because it is the summit of a slippery slope. Shall we substitute the burger and fries analogy for a Nicorette inhalator then, just for the sake of argument? It's a lame comparison to compare an e-cig with tobacco. Really lame. What is more lame than anything, is that in a car plant it seems to me than an e-cig is probably the safest thing in the place

Oh no. Think about powder coat. I found a thread somewhere here concerning brake dust. Powder coat is much much worse. Think about paint fumes. Explosions.

Think about whether or not PG or VG will screw up a powder coat or paint job. Some soaps, perfumes or deodorants are banned from paint shops. I forget which ones really, since I only contract. But the employees know. Do you know what vapor will do to powder or paint? Me neither, but I bet we will find out. And I don't want to be the guy doing the testing.

On the flip side, it's hard to argue that you can't vape next to a welding robot.

In automotive plants in general, it's best to walk lightly, maybe just avoid confrontation altogether, and let this evolve. No offense to anyone, but those people need something to complain about. You've given them a target.

 

[Icicle]

I just wasted a half hour reading all the bickering and other BS and still didn't find out What happened, or what was the Outcome of the OP Mondays meeting. Guess I will have to PM the OP to find out what happened.

 

[waylos]

I haven't even tried to vape at work... I would get really nasty comments strictly from the nicotine (although it is healthier), and I "should know better" considering that I work in a hospital. Some places, such as my husband's manufacturing shop it is allowed, but others, such as my work, I wouldn't even try.

 

[Garcol]

My company banned Ecigs altogether. They said that anything that looks like a tobacco product will be disruptive to managment and production and will be subject to disciplinary action.
This was a 1 1/2 years ago.

 

[gcram399]

Even after 35 years of service of working at the same place, I still depend on my job to pay the bills. If my vaping presented any problem that would risk my ability to earn that paycheck I wouldn't do it.
I am a 40 year smoker working in a shop of 100 workers of which only 10-15 still smoked. When my state first passed the ban on smoking in the workplace it was quite difficult for me. After a couple months of sneaking out for a smoke, I presented the E-Cig information to my supervisor and had him OK it's use before I started using it on the job. I took every opportunity to educate my fellow workers about it in the first few weeks. If someone I encountered felt less than comfortable with it I just didn't use it around them. That was out of simple courtesy. Because I didn't force it down anyone's throat, vaping is now accepted where I work.

 

[Neon]

I work or a major Financial business, and introduced my city to vaping one convert at a time. From day one I have been able to vape at my desk once I introduced the PV to my boss, but now that there are about 20 of us that took up vaping in three months, its a different story. I was brought into a meeting with management to have them tell me that they will no longer allow us to vape within the building, and right there and then we got shut down. Vaping was acceptable" or 90 days where I work, and the reason is that someone complained that the vapor was bothering them. Now whether thats really the case or if its that of fear and ignorance, I dont know. That being said, I work in an office building and the property security guard has no issues with it even though he was never a smoker, he just eels that people have the right to smoke. So For now, we vape elsewhere, I thought about freaking out but when I started to read this thred, someone had mentioned that jobs ARE hard to come by, and with acompany that invests in my pension....Ill vape outside (and bask in the glory of feeling healthier)

Peace!

Neon

 

[THeGAMe]

Sad thing is, no matter how many facts you bring to the table, people are going to believe what they belive. I call this the "Momma Says" syndrome.

Right now, its not about facts and figures, though it should be. Its about the workplace. One bad apple, or a uncomfortible employee, can change an entire workplace. I hope its on your side. IMO, if they can drink coffee at their work station, you should be able to use your ecig. However, as said before, it makes people uncomfortible, and taking it outside isnt waterboarding.

I hope it goes your way, but if it doesnt and you want to push it, it could go to the supreme court.

The good news is that you have alot of rights as an employee as well. Id say you have a real good discrimination and wrongfull termination case if you lose your job. Even employment at will has alot of limitations.

G/L!
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