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My first RDA setup - The Results...

Discussion in 'Rebuildable Atomizer Systems' started by VlKlNGS, Jul 2, 2019.

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  1. TrollDragon

    TrollDragon Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Dec 3, 2014
    NS, Canada
    I never used a coil smaller than 2mm diameter, even in the old Kayfun Mini 2.1 and that was a 14mm RTA. ;)

    Are you talking about those Dragon nano coils RipDripper used to wrap with cotton back in the day?

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  2. HigherStateD

    HigherStateD Ultra Member

    Mar 11, 2019
    I'm saying, it's the only way to keep mass down with that much metal. It's be a bit¢h to build, but if you could pull it off, it'd vape nicely.
     
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  3. TrollDragon

    TrollDragon Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Dec 3, 2014
    NS, Canada
    Tiny diameter coils always ended up burning the wick in the middle for me due to not enough juice flow.

    I think instead of trying to bandaid an RDA into a particular vape style, a different RDA should be chosen. We all have a box full of RDAs that didn't quite work for us and this is no different.

    Lots of inexpensive Goon clones out there and even the authentic is not that much, it would be a better option IMHO.

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  4. HigherStateD

    HigherStateD Ultra Member

    Mar 11, 2019
    I think the RDA has less to do with the compromises needed, than lack of TC and/or a second battery.
    Asking that much metal to heat quickly, and conversely cool quickly, with out TC as a band-aid, and more wattage as a sledge hammer, takes finesse.
     
  5. TrollDragon

    TrollDragon Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Dec 3, 2014
    NS, Canada
    We're back to the start of this whole thing. OP has a lack of build knowledge, chose a combo that was advised against and has a blister pack chimney mesh coil as a baseline...

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  6. HigherStateD

    HigherStateD Ultra Member

    Mar 11, 2019
    Which is where I started. Save my first choices were a topside and DRSQ, and a rx2 with the drop dead... Coming from a Nord 0.6ohm mesh. My standards aren't the highest either. Will he achieve kayfun flavor? No. Does op or I know what's that even like? I seriously doubt that. Can descent flavor, with Instagram coils, be achieved with 1 battery on SS316L, in a subpar rda, yes. Will learning how to do so be insightful? Most definitely.
     
  7. HigherStateD

    HigherStateD Ultra Member

    Mar 11, 2019
    I Think we both missed a serious error by OP though.

    NEVER RUN DUAL COIL IF THE COILS ARENT TWINS!!!!!!!!


    ETA: 316L tiger 26g + 0.2*0.8 2mm ID.
    Wicks 95%VG pretty well for what it is, ohms out at 0.12-0.14 cold, 0.20 hot. Warmish vape @ 80w with RDTL airflow. Doesn't get the barrel hot at all.
     

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  8. TrollDragon

    TrollDragon Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Dec 3, 2014
    NS, Canada
    It would be very subjective as to what the definition of "decent flavor" with IG coils on a single cell device would be.
    Since he's new to the building game, he might have more patients and desire in learning to make this RDA usable.

    I've wasted too many hours faffing around with mediocre RDAs & RTAs trying to get a decent vape from them that I don't even bother anymore.

    I ran a mismatched pair in the Crius + for a few weeks before realizing there was something a bit off with the vape. I assumed it was one of the coils wicked a little too tight with Rayon. Nope a 9/8 wrap on one side and a 10/9 wrap on the other... :lol:
     
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  9. HigherStateD

    HigherStateD Ultra Member

    Mar 11, 2019
    Quite right. Asking this RDA to produce good flavor, and clouds, below 80w, safely, is a bit much. Can I tell what juice I'm vaping, and even detect notes I don't in other RDAs? Yes.


    ETA, it's easier with a single coil setup, and the results can be better, as in, bigger clouds, better flavor, shinier hunk of modern art, and as far as I can tell, once you pop that top cap back on, how it vapes is far more important than how it looks.
     
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  10. VlKlNGS

    VlKlNGS Senior Member

    Apr 18, 2019
    Right, well, I guess the future for me will be aliens and cripsy lips, for at least a year or so untill I run out of those coils.
    At which point I was thinking instead of premade coils to buy some alien wire(saw some "Demon Killer" alien wire on aliexpress that looked nice enough to me, though I'm sure you guys are gonna tell me otherwise:p) and maybe like that I'll be able to take a wrap or so off and maybe dial the heat down a bit while still keeping the clouds... dunno we'll see. But I ain't sinking more money into it for now.

    The only thing I have left to decide is if I'm gonna buy a profile unity rta for my inside vaping or not...
     
  11. MyMagicMist

    MyMagicMist Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 28, 2014
    WV, USA
    SSL316 or NiCh 80?

    I've used a .2 -.25 Kanthal in a Gorge. The vapor to me is hot. Would like to learn how to avoid that using .2 -.25 if I can. I'm currently using a SS316\L 26awg 4 wraps 3mm ID and tapping around .3 (apologies, double checked it's at .35) and it seems the vapor is cool. Drop it to 3 wraps at .25 and it gets hot. Not quite sure where I'm going wrong.

    I use single coil only. No need of dual running a single cell 18650 mech.
     
  12. HigherStateD

    HigherStateD Ultra Member

    Mar 11, 2019
    You've got demon killer coils? I've got a pack of those. I'll do what I can to make two work, mine are KA though. Really though, why dual NEED dual coil?
     
  13. HigherStateD

    HigherStateD Ultra Member

    Mar 11, 2019
    By loosing a wrap, you're making the vape more efficient, asking less of the batteries. Ohm has little to do with result in a regulated mod.
     
  14. VlKlNGS

    VlKlNGS Senior Member

    Apr 18, 2019
    No @HigherStateD , right now all I have are those premade aliens, no idea what brand wire whoever made them used. Demon Killer wire is what I was thinking of buying a year or so from now aka after I run out of the premade ones.
     
  15. HigherStateD

    HigherStateD Ultra Member

    Mar 11, 2019
    I got most of my wire @2$ a roll for things like alien and tiger. Generic stuff. Fancier stuff, I got at about 6$. Wire is cheap enough that if you don't like the vape you're getting, it's worth changing it up. You could even try unwinding a coil and re-spining it, but that is a pita
     
  16. MyMagicMist

    MyMagicMist Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 28, 2014
    WV, USA
    Agreed but at the same time, ... I'm not running a regulated mod.
    *ahem*


    If I was running regulated I wouldn't give a flying fig. I'd use coat hanger wire and not even bother with Steam Engine, or an ohm meter. Regulated would "just work", or not. I could then also likely dip down to .15 although I'm sure most regulated devices still shut off at .20, or ought to so as to avoid short circuiting.
     
  17. HigherStateD

    HigherStateD Ultra Member

    Mar 11, 2019
    My mods will fire @ 0.04 ohm. If you don't really know what you're doing to achieve a vape you want on a mech, I'd suggest at least starting your own thread, so as to avoid confusion, or better yet, practice in a regulated in bypass mode.
     
  18. Punk In Drublic

    Punk In Drublic Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Aug 28, 2018
    Toronto, ON
    Every regulated device will have its own limitations. Some can fire a <0.03 ohm coil as an example. +/- a small variance of course. Should resistance fall outside what the device feels is adequate, it will not fire and spit out an error. A regulated device separates battery from the coil. It's not the resistance that strains a bettery with a regulated device, it is the prescribed wattage/voltage.

    VIKINGS – never used Demon Killers. Based on just what I have seen on da interwebs they are of high mass and no different than the 20lb beasts you are currently using. Post the coils you are interested in for others to comment.
     
  19. MyMagicMist

    MyMagicMist Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 28, 2014
    WV, USA
    Yes, have understood this a while now. This and my aforementioned lack of desire to "fool around" with electronics chips is what has led me into Mech Land. :) I'll take on using Ohm's Law and calculators to help over having something decide for me.

    And yes, I know we've spoken of this great "comprise" too. :)
     
  20. MyMagicMist

    MyMagicMist Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 28, 2014
    WV, USA
    That's not what I was asking you or the person I asked about doing .20 - .25. I believe I might possibly "achieve a vape I want" at .20 - .25. I'm simply unsure how @Zaryk is "achieving a vape I want" at .20 - .25. I thought it was an ABC conversation that could be answered by @Zaryk without confusing the thread. It was simply a question of SS or NiC, not directed to you even.

    Think maybe you're causing any confusion. Sure, yeah real "friendly bunch" here.
     
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