My Nicotine Factor = 48, What's Yours

[Mazinny]

I think I vape around 60mg/day or less (15-20ml @ 3mg). The more I study it the more I increase my volume estimate . Because I make my own juice and switch off mods and various juice, I'm not really sure and haven't tried to track it. I probably smoked a minimum of 50 cigs/day, and at 0.8mg that would convert into 80mg of juice, or about 26ml. I don't think I vape that much, but OTOH not terribly less. I do feel far, far less "chained" to nic than I did when I was smoking. I've worked on reducing my nic level, but not the amount I vape. That might be the next step although I am experimenting with 1mg nic now.

Thank you. I will check the thread. I am confused about the bolded part though. Did you mean to say 80 mg of nicotine at a 50 % absorption rate means 40 mg of nicotine absorbed and thus would be the equivalent of 50 cigs ? But in reality you absorb about 26 mg of nicotine ( you said ml ), since you only vape on average 56 mg of nicotine ?

 

[VNeil]

Take me off your ' ignore' list?

That's not it, you never pi$$ed me off For some reason I was either blind or there was a problem with the thread refresh that resolved. Anywho, what you said doesn't make much sense in terms of the computation I mentioned. And also in the other linked survey thread, the typical mg delivery was about 20-60mg, which is probably about what is needed to keep the average PAD or better (ex) smoker going?

 

[Topwater Elvis]

You're going to confuse yourself all to pieces over this, IMO & IME everyone has a slightly different absorption rate.
Every vaping set up has a different efficiency rate of delivering nicotine and so on with all the variables.

Sure you can get a rough general estimate, but, if you want to know the level in your system you'll have to use an actual test.

 

[bluecat]

4mls/9mg 36. thinking of upping it though to around 12mg.

 

[VNeil]

Thank you. I will check the thread. I am confused about the bolded part though. Did you mean to say 80 mg of nicotine at a 50 % absorption rate means 40 mg of nicotine absorbed and thus would be the equivalent of 50 cigs ? But in reality you absorb about 26 mg of nicotine ( you said ml ), since you only vape on average 56 mg of nicotine ?

Before I quit smoking I smoked 50 cigs/day (that I admit to, anyway). 50/0.8 = 40mg of nicotine INGESTED. That would require 80mg DELIVERED via eJuice (per the 50% ingestion rate of the computation in the link). At the 3mg concentration I vape now (or have been until a few days ago) I would need to vape 80/3 = 26.7ml of (3mg) juice to maintain the nic level of my smoking days. And to be honest, I may have smoked more like 3 PAD but I don't like to admit that even to myself for some reason. So the 2.5PAD is very conservative.

I think I am currently vaping around 15ml, 20ml tops, per day. Compared to 26-30ish equivalent when I was smoking. So I figure, if that formula is correct, then I have reduced my nic usage, but not by a huge amount.

If you read Rolygate's explanation in the survey thread linked above, he says the ingestion rate can vary from 20-80%, which would make any estimates fairly meaningless because the potential margin of error is so great. But if you give a human some numbers to crunch, he will crunch them, regardless if they have much actual meaning in terms of accuracy . IOW, at a 20% ingestion rate, I would have cut WAY, WAY down. But at an 80% rate, I would have increased it significantly. And there is no way for me to know, short of buying very expensive blood tests just for curiosity. Which is what Topwater Elvis effectively did (probably not voluntarily), which is why I was interested in his comment.

I wish I could remember more clearly what I vaped when I first quit smoking. I know it was 24mg for awhile, and I *think* it was around 305ml per day because I was going through a 15ml bottle every few days. From my calculation above, I arrived at about 80mg of eJuice nic equivalent per day when I smoked. At 24mg concentration, that is about 3.x ml per day. Which is the low end of the 3-5ml per day that I *think* I was vaping back then. So the numbers seem at least reasonable to me.

Hope this helps and doesn't just muddy the waters further...

 

[haliwa69]

You're going to confuse yourself all to pieces over this, IMO & IME everyone has a slightly different absorption rate.
Every vaping set up has a different efficiency rate of delivering nicotine and so on with all the variables.

Sure you can get a rough general estimate, but, if you want to know the level in your system you'll have to use an actual test.

I'm curious about nicotine testing, as my job offers incentives for quitting smoking but it requires being tested. I've avoided it because I was told that if any nicotine showed up, you fail.

 

[VNeil]

I'm curious about nicotine testing, as my job offers incentives for quitting smoking but it requires being tested. I've avoided it because I was told that if any nicotine showed up, you fail.

Wouldn't it be nice if they recognized that nicotine is not smoking? Sigh.

 

[haliwa69]

Wouldn't it be nice if they recognized that nicotine is not smoking? Sigh.

Yes it would. I got to the point once where I was vaping 0 nic, but that lasted for about a week.

 

[VNeil]

Yes it would. I got to the point once where I was vaping 0 nic, but that lasted for about a week.

Might have been long enough to ace that test

 

[DaveSignal]

I guess I'm at somewhere between 45 and 60, depending on how much I like the juice. I use RDAs and 3mg juices.

 

[haliwa69]

Probably, unfortunately that was before the incentives were offered. I just did it to see if it made any difference in my vaping habits and help with a medical condition.

 

[Big Me]

I'm curious about nicotine testing, as my job offers incentives for quitting smoking but it requires being tested. I've avoided it because I was told that if any nicotine showed up, you fail.

So what happens if you're already using NRTs?

 

[john333]

I arrived at the number 48 by multiplying the number of MLs I vape per day times my Nicotine level. In my case it is 4 mls per day times 12 mg - 4 x 12 = 48. I drip on RDAs most of the time and 12mg nic is intense. That's why I only vape 4 mls per day.

I'm hoping to get 100 responses to this thread so I can create a bell curve and see where I fall on the curve and also to see what the average factor is. Thanks for participating.

Thinking this through a little further, I need to factor in flavoring. I wont know the actual flavor percent people are vaping unless you DIY. For the sake of this thread I'm going to say that average is 15% flavoring. So in my case the Flavor Factor = 4 x 15 = 60. Now I can divide my Nic Flavor of 60 by 48 and get an overall rating of 1.25. That seems like a nice low number. What drove me to think about this in the first place was so many people vaping 3mg and going through tons in liquid in subohm tanks. Their nic level may be low but the flavoring factor will be very high. We know for the most part the effects of nicotine on the body but what we don't know is the real effects of flavoring or types of flavoring. I think what i'm trying to do here is make people aware of their flavor consumption and if it is a high number possibly try to lower it.

 

[haliwa69]

So what happens if you're already using NRTs?

I'm not sure. The person I asked was probably the wrong one to ask and I probably got misinformation. I'll have to call my hr dept to see if they can clear it up.

OP, sorry for derailing your thread.

 

[FattyJ]

8ml x 6mg = 48

 

[VNeil]

Thinking this through a little further, I need to factor in flavoring. I wont know the actual flavor percent people are vaping unless you DIY. For the sake of this thread I'm going to say that average is 15% flavoring. So in my case the Flavor Factor = 4 x 15 = 60. Now I can divide my Nic Flavor of 60 by 48 and get an overall rating of 1.25. That seems like a nice low number. What drove me to think about this in the first place was so many people vaping 3mg and going through tons in liquid in subohm tanks. Their nic level may be low but the flavoring factor will be very high. We know for the most part the effects of nicotine on the body but what we don't know is the real effects of flavoring or types of flavoring. I think what i'm trying to do here is make people aware of their flavor consumption and if it is a high number possibly try to lower it.

But if you have no idea what the effect is on the body then any flavor number you target is totally arbitrary.

 

[Wow1420]

Right now, I am at 0 flavoring. I may go back to light flavor, 2 to 4%, at least at times. 6mg x 5 ml.

The problem in using flavor percentage is the concentrations used in DIY are all over the place, some very concentrated, using 2%, some weak, where you'd need 15%

 

[Papillon61]

Approx 13ml x 3mg = 39mg. Make that 40mg

 

[Topwater Elvis]

I'm curious about nicotine testing, as my job offers incentives for quitting smoking but it requires being tested. I've avoided it because I was told that if any nicotine showed up, you fail.

The results of the nicotine /cotinine tests are rated/graded on a scale.
Something similar to;
High level
medium high
medium
medium low
low
non detected
There are cut off #'s used to define each range of scale.

Most consider low & non detected as non smoker/ non nicotine user, medium low as exposed to or light nicotine use, and so on.

 

[Mazinny]

Before I quit smoking I smoked 50 cigs/day (that I admit to, anyway). 50/0.8 = 40mg of nicotine INGESTED. That would require 80mg DELIVERED via eJuice (per the 50% ingestion rate of the computation in the link). At the 3mg concentration I vape now (or have been until a few days ago) I would need to vape 80/3 = 26.7ml of (3mg) juice to maintain the nic level of my smoking days. And to be honest, I may have smoked more like 3 PAD but I don't like to admit that even to myself for some reason. So the 2.5PAD is very conservative.

I think I am currently vaping around 15ml, 20ml tops, per day. Compared to 26-30ish equivalent when I was smoking. So I figure, if that formula is correct, then I have reduced my nic usage, but not by a huge amount.

If you read Rolygate's explanation in the survey thread linked above, he says the ingestion rate can vary from 20-80%, which would make any estimates fairly meaningless because the potential margin of error is so great. But if you give a human some numbers to crunch, he will crunch them, regardless if they have much actual meaning in terms of accuracy . IOW, at a 20% ingestion rate, I would have cut WAY, WAY down. But at an 80% rate, I would have increased it significantly. And there is no way for me to know, short of buying very expensive blood tests just for curiosity. Which is what Topwater Elvis effectively did (probably not voluntarily), which is why I was interested in his comment.

I wish I could remember more clearly what I vaped when I first quit smoking. I know it was 24mg for awhile, and I *think* it was around 305ml per day because I was going through a 15ml bottle every few days. From my calculation above, I arrived at about 80mg of eJuice nic equivalent per day when I smoked. At 24mg concentration, that is about 3.x ml per day. Which is the low end of the 3-5ml per day that I *think* I was vaping back then. So the numbers seem at least reasonable to me.

Hope this helps and doesn't just muddy the waters further...

I think i know what you're saying, it just seemed you were using ml and mg interchangeably. Regardless, i am not too concerned about nicotine use. My nicotine use has naturally been going down as i vape less. I have no intention of going down from 12 mg/ml, so any further reduction in nicotine use will come via vaping less. When i started, i was vaping 5 to 6 ml of 18 mg/ml so my nicotine use is already halved.