my opinion: heavy users are downfall for the rest

[Jman8]

Actually it makes perfect sense. First of all I was smoker who had been looking into vaping at the time(my sis had already been vaping for a year),

And you know the other people were non-smokers? Or know they didn't know of any smokers?

but most importantly, I wasn't one of the people that had to sift through this guy's cloud.

That likely dissipated in mere seconds, that didn't have a smell of smoke, and that, according to science, would've brought to them about as much harm as all the people breathing air in the vicinity.

Any chance they were impressed or not moved to certain negativity, in your estimation?

I don't think it matters how many times the people had to swat away the guys vape.

Then it really doesn't matter what you are purporting.

The fact that they had to lift their hand at all indicated annoyance.

Fleeting annoyance. I wonder how often in public humans experience annoyance on par with this? I'd think it would be "most of the time."

 

[amolson]

I think most of them probably learned from the experience that not all clouds are smoke. It takes a while for critters to change. If you want to get a horse to stop freaking out at a fog machine, you blast them with it enough they figure out it's not harmful. These people who got hit with the cloud, same thing. I'll be I can imagine their thought processes ...

"Oh, ack, smo ... huh? What the ... ? That's not smoke. There's something that makes non-smoke clouds. Interesting."

The more people who get smacked with a cloud that doesn't hurt, stink or do more than look like smoke, the more desensitized they'll get to the whole idea. Remember, very few people have any idea vaping even exists. If you hide it from them, they're not going to learn either.

The more people who get exposed and NOT hurt, the less likely bans will stick. Remember our horse? The horse who has never been exposed to a fog machine is likely to completely freak out. A horse that's been exposed to them all over the place, at random, won't even bat an ear.

That's what I think will happen as long as the vaping community doesn't let laws, regulations or fear mongers stop us. Eventually enough people will be exposed to something they personally find out is harmless and they'll quit being idiots about it. No matter what the laws say.

There's a huge difference between, "Oh, I heard it on ..." and "I got a face full of vapor and it did nothing." They might fuss the first or third or fifth time, but eventually the vast majority will figure it out ... if they get that exposure. Just like a horse stops being afraid of a fog machine if they get exposed to it enough. There will always be idiots. There are still people who think the earth is flat. If you cater to the idiots, you'll get nowhere.

 

[Zealous]

I was shuffling out of the courthouse with a bunch of other jury members after we had just been released, and this tall, skinny kid whips out this brass mech mod, takes a hit and exhales this ginormous cloud of vapor the second he gets outside. I was actually impressed, because I had no idea one of those "vaping pens" could produce a bigger cloud than a regular cigarette, let a alone this huge, obnoxious plume of smoke. I hadn't started vaping yet, and this one of the reasons that peaked my curiosity to start. But all those people walking behind this kid, were engulfed in his vapor and had to wave their hands to swat it away. If they were neutral on ecigs before, I imagine 4 or 5 of them instantly took a negative view towards vaping after that.

Yes possibly those people would have formed a negative impression of vaping if that happened to them. People don't like being interrupted from whatever's going on in their heads by something blowing into their eyes & face. Doesn't really matter what it is. Of course, a person would be more forgiving if it turned out that whatever blew in their face came from something that also provided a service they saw as useful. People are willing to tolerate certain annoyances if there is a benefit in doing so.

 

[rhean]

so anyone who doesn't like cloud chasers are Anti's?? People can still Vape and dislike clouds... Saying that people should all stick together because of a belief is how most hate groups start.....

just be yourself and have your own opinions, who wants to be like everyone else?

There's a difference between disliking clouds, and blaming cloud chasers for anti-vaping legislation. First is personal preference; second is a witch hunt, especially as there's no evidence that cloud-chasers have harmed vaping. The problem is big tobacco and public ignorance that makes it easy for BT to spread lies. Cloud chasers have nothing to do with it.

Having said that, I don't like to see people vaping anything at a no-smoking zone. Despite what we think, vaping is not terribly popular, and many people don't know what it is. They don't know that those clouds, tiny or huge, are not smoke; most don't even know what makes cigarettes dangerous. Have some empathy for others, and (imo) vape only where you would have smoked.

 

[GreenHead]

And you know the other people were non-smokers? Or know they didn't know of any smokers?



That likely dissipated in mere seconds, that didn't have a smell of smoke, and that, according to science, would've brought to them about as much harm as all the people breathing air in the vicinity.

Any chance they were impressed or not moved to certain negativity, in your estimation?



Then it really doesn't matter what you are purporting.



Fleeting annoyance. I wonder how often in public humans experience annoyance on par with this? I'd think it would be "most of the time."

If you don't possess the common sense and courtesy to see how blowing a huge cloud of vapor into a group of people you don't know might be problematic, I don't know what else to say other than some people just like to be contradictory simply because they are in love with the sound of their own lips flapping away both literally and figuratively.

 

[Myk]

There's a difference between disliking clouds, and blaming cloud chasers for anti-vaping legislation. First is personal preference; second is a witch hunt, especially as there's no evidence that cloud-chasers have harmed vaping. The problem is big tobacco and public ignorance that makes it easy for BT to spread lies. Cloud chasers have nothing to do with it.

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Having said that, I don't like to see people vaping anything at a no-smoking zone. Despite what we think, vaping is not terribly popular, and many people don't know what it is. They don't know that those clouds, tiny or huge, are not smoke; most don't even know what makes cigarettes dangerous. Have some empathy for others, and (imo) vape only where you would have smoked.

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I doubt if anyone confuses my SS 18650 mods with a cigarette. If we act like there is something wrong (using them only like a cigarette) we give the impression there is something wrong.
Also there is no addiction recovery that states the addict should expose themselves to their addiction. Vaping only where smoking is allowed will cause new vapers to go back to smoking, not for all of them but the ones who aren't finding vaping instantly satisfying will more easily bum a cigarette if they're constantly around smokers.
Finally, as someone in the north I'd think you'd know this but ecigs don't work so great out in the cold. Only where smoking is allowed means outside most of the time. If it's 0°F and you need nicotine but are having problems getting your coil to heat up because you're pulling 0° air over it and there's someone with a nicotine delivery device that works in the cold standing right next to you you're likely to at least dual use for the winter.

 

[rhean]

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I doubt if anyone confuses my SS 18650 mods with a cigarette. If we act like there is something wrong (using them only like a cigarette) we give the impression there is something wrong.

I don't see it as doing something wrong, but as having consideration for others, most of whom don't know what we are doing. VERY few people vape where I live. For most people, clouds=smoke, and it doesn't matter what is producing the clouds. I would feel profoundly uncomfortable producing a cloud, large or small, in a public place like a restaurant or a movie theater or a class.

Also there is no addiction recovery that states the addict should expose themselves to their addiction. Vaping only where smoking is allowed will cause new vapers to go back to smoking, not for all of them but the ones who aren't finding vaping instantly satisfying will more easily bum a cigarette if they're constantly around smokers.

That's a great point. However, vaping where you can smoke doesn't mean you must be by other smokers.

 

[Myk]

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I don't see it as doing something wrong, but as having consideration for others, most of whom don't know what we are doing. VERY few people vape where I live. For most people, clouds=smoke, and it doesn't matter what is producing the clouds. I would feel profoundly uncomfortable producing a cloud, large or small, in a public place like a restaurant or a movie theater or a class.




That's a great point. However, vaping where you can smoke doesn't mean you must be by other smokers.

If you're at a bar in this state, vaping only where they allow smoking means you probably will be very near smokers or else you have to leave the bar and your drink.

I'd vape in a restaurant/bar if allowed. I don't go to movies, but if I did for the money I paid I'd respectfully vape if they didn't say I couldn't.
My college would've presented an interesting conundrum. Torches burning things producing a lot worse than vaping vs a smoking area where you would've been in tight quarters with smokers, especially in winter, otherwise you go home to take a break that always seemed to last the rest of the day. I doubt if vaping is allowed there but if I was there I'd be making an argument to allow it and continually hitting them with studies or pressuring them to go cadmium free and less dangerous chemicals if they insisted on banning vaping for our health.

 

[soba1]

May I expound, vape as much as u like, but always use vape ettiquite.
When in doubt stealth=vape and hold.

The reason I posted my statement was simply to make a point.
If you do not exhale there is no infraction. Their bans are really of no consequence.
As I have sat through entire movies taking a vape here and there; of course I sat on
the end seat.
But if you cannot see it there is no infraction.
The bans are idiotic.

 

[sonicdsl]

Careful folks, this is a discussion, not a snarky bicker fest.

 

[DC2]

There's a difference between disliking clouds, and blaming cloud chasers for anti-vaping legislation. First is personal preference; second is a witch hunt, especially as there's no evidence that cloud-chasers have harmed vaping. The problem is big tobacco and public ignorance that makes it easy for BT to spread lies. Cloud chasers have nothing to do with it.

Having said that, I don't like to see people vaping anything at a no-smoking zone. Despite what we think, vaping is not terribly popular, and many people don't know what it is. They don't know that those clouds, tiny or huge, are not smoke; most don't even know what makes cigarettes dangerous. Have some empathy for others, and (imo) vape only where you would have smoked.

The fear of vapor is ignorant and education is a MUST in order to stop this absurdity.
But CLOUD BLOWERS need to stop blowing big-... clouds in public.

I mean, seriously... do you NEED to blow big-... clouds in public?
Is this something your inner child cries out for?

Cloud-blowing in public is something only a DOUCHE-ROCKET would do.
And nobody likes a douche-rocket.

And I mean nobody, including me as a vaper.
And including me as a human being.

Can this thread end now?
And all others like it?

 

[wheelie]

Sure it can end. I am always last and a win. LOL

 

[soba1]

There is nothing wrong with blowing big clouds, just be mindful of others is all.
For the record I very much dislike all this legislation they are passing.
But I will continue to stealth in the malls, the grocery store, sitting
starbucks lol. Stealth vaping just shows how stupid these laws are.

 

[Jman8]

If you don't possess the common sense and courtesy to see how blowing a huge cloud of vapor into a group of people you don't know might be problematic, I don't know what else to say

I'll take this as a concession as I can see how someone might see a big cloud of vapor problematic. And never said otherwise. Whereas you were saying "if they were neutral on ecigs before, I imagine 4 or 5 of them instantly took a negative view towards vaping after that."

I still find it fascinating that you, a non-vaper, had your curiosity raised, but are able to imagine that for others it lead to instant negativity. If you had just said, "I imagine how 4 or 5 of them might have negative view of vaping." It would be a different dialogue that we had. And had you additionally said, "who knows, my interest in vaping changed for the better, and for all I know so might have theirs," then we'd be having a far different dialogue.

 

[Jman8]

I don't see it as doing something wrong, but as having consideration for others, most of whom don't know what we are doing. VERY few people vape where I live. For most people, clouds=smoke, and it doesn't matter what is producing the clouds. I would feel profoundly uncomfortable producing a cloud, large or small, in a public place like a restaurant or a movie theater or a class.

If clouds really do equal smoke for most people, then where I live, today was a pretty smokey day at times. Lots of smoke floating across the sky. Some cumulus in nature, most of it overcast.

You say you'd be profoundly uncomfortable producing clouds of vapor in a public place. Then you name some rather small places. Even with those, I would wonder if you'd feel same level of discomfort, exhaling enormous clouds, in bathroom of any of the buildings you named? But as you also did say "large public places," then I also wonder if you'd feel as uncomfortable in a megastore where after walking around say 6 aisles, you realize, very acutely, that you are only person on that side of the store? If say in a large public building, you essentially knew no one was within 50 feet of you, would you still feel profoundly uncomfortable exhaling really really really huge cloud of vapor? If so, I am very curious why.

 

[DesmondTheMoonbear]

EDIT : This reminds me of 1998 all over again. It's not stealing man, it's sharing. Remember this? Those were the times.

I wasn't even going to post in this thread until I saw this.
I completely agree with everything in your post until I got to this.
It IS sharing (;

Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk

 

[zapped]

You are absolutely correct. Unfortunately.
I have also seen this spreading of anti-vaping propaganda, repeatedly. Including the "backup" by sleeper accounts. It is always interesting to see such accounts "come out of their little holes" when there is anti-vaping propaganda to be spread, when there is FUD to be spouted, when there are vapers to be attacked, when there are new vapers to be discouraged. In a vapers forum, no less.

optsmk has made a very good posting, above.

Vapers (real vapers, I may add) should stand together, speak out in denfence of our rights - including the right to live a healthier life, in spite of the interests of Big Money and Big Greed - and speak out against the real opposition.

How about it?

Well said as always!

I just wanted to add that its not the mods fault. Many of them work full time jobs and do this out of sheer love of vaping. Most of them dont spend nearly the time on these forums as some of us do either.

What appears obvious to us because weve been following sometimes several pages of replies to new posts isn't evident to them without quite a bit of digging. Many times they are looking at the posts in reverse chronological order as well.

If you see a post that looks suspect by all means reply and refute the information. It would probably be a good idea to do it a little more politely than Im known for as well.

And then report it. It isnt tattling or crying to a mod, its looking out for OUR forums and for something thats near and dear to most of our hearts.

Common sense also dictates that the more negative reports a post gets the more apt the mods are to take a serious look at THEM....instead of the accompanying snarky replies by those of us who are simnply defending our right to vape and to make healthier choices for ourselves.

Moderators cant be everywhere at once and especially not with the sheer volume of posts on this forum. While Im certainly no one to speak for them, I cant help but think they'd appreciate the heads up and the help since many of them are vapers as well.

 

[zapped]

If clouds really do equal smoke for most people, then where I live, today was a pretty smokey day at times. Lots of smoke floating across the sky. Some cumulus in nature, most of it overcast.

You say you'd be profoundly uncomfortable producing clouds of vapor in a public place. Then you name some rather small places. Even with those, I would wonder if you'd feel same level of discomfort, exhaling enormous clouds, in bathroom of any of the buildings you named? But as you also did say "large public places," then I also wonder if you'd feel as uncomfortable in a megastore where after walking around say 6 aisles, you realize, very acutely, that you are only person on that side of the store? If say in a large public building, you essentially knew no one was within 50 feet of you, would you still feel profoundly uncomfortable exhaling really really really huge cloud of vapor? If so, I am very curious why.

Would you be surprised to know that my local vape shop does not allow employees to vape while helping customers?

Seems strange at first glance...I mean its a VAPE shop right?

They arent allowed to vape while helping customers because the customers should always come before anything else. Being distracted with your vape, moaning in pleasure at the taste of an amazing juice and blowing a large cloud in their general direction is rude, unprofessional and unfocused . ...even in a vape shop.

How often do you see bartenders or waitresses slamming shots behind the bar or eating in front of you?

Now how many have you seen that are drunk or smacking their lips loudly as they eat with their mouths open?

I see no reason why we shouldnt extend the same courtesy to strangers who know next to nothing (or what theyve heard in the media, which is even worse than nothing in many cases.) about vaping.

If they see us as courteous and polite they are more apt to remember vapers in a good light and possibly even defend us. That chance goes up exponentially if we take the time to answer their questions and educate them about vaping in the process.

If by the same token all they remember is that we were this rude jackass blowing massive clouds directly into their faces then no amount of argument or facts will convince them otherwise and they will stand against us....if nothing more than on principle alone.

And could you really blame them? Your rights end where mine begins works both ways.

 

[TwoTimes]

Yet another Rule Reminder for this thread

Play nice folks and please be polite to one another...

 

[antony73]

It's really not about the big clouds, although if there were too many big clouds, they would help fuel the protests. I agree with realsis, it's about the money. How can smoking be legal, but a vaping ban be on the cards? It just doesn't make sense at all. The UK is a nanny state, so there vaping will become classified as a medicine in 2015. Not sure how that will effect who can sell liquid, where it can be sold and how it can be packaged though.

My brother's opinion is that if anything does happen, it will be the liquid that gets taxed. And I believe the tax on a packet of cigarettes in the uk is around 75%. I could be wrong on this figure though.

Any future regulation in the future will be purely for monetary reasons and ignorance, not big clouds. I do see where the OP is coming from though. An interesting post