My thoughts about sub-ohm and latest VV/VW devices...

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Katya

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I I vaped vg and vg nic base strictly for a while. That's vg plus nic powder... theoretically thicker than pure vg. No flavor or additives.



Because nicotine powder is not suitable for vaping.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...uestion-about-making-e-juice.html#post9589590

And if you have to ask about using powder nicotine, then you are really not ready at all to work with pure nicotine. If it is a salt, what is the counter ion? Pyruvate? Acetate? Citrate? Without this knowledge, you cannot know how many moles you are measuring out per gram of powder, rendering making juices complete guesswork...with a very toxic substance. If it is in a solid matrix, it is not fit for vaping, just oral absorption.
 
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Exactly. so the 250 watts will not be satisfied unless you can keep it under the temp limit. Which is what you want. When you tell me now go at 100 watts I imagine dry hits and glowing coils. But with temp control I know that I can get the 250 watts without dry hits if I can keep a stream of liquid without fear of dry hits. It is like giving an open ended power source. As long as you give it more liquid we'll give you more vapor.

Yeah I get that, but what can you really vape at 250W? Is there anything? It seems like the temp limit would likely cut the power before it reached 250W. It seems like you'd have barging rights to 250W even though you might never reach 250W. It's kind of like having a 500 HP car with a governor on it, ;) Not a perfect analogy, but you get the idea. I guess the main point is, what the hell can you do with 250W?
 
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Yeah I get that, but what can you really vape at 250W? Is there anything? It seems like the temp limit would likely cut the power before it reached 250W. It seems like you'd have barging rights to 250W even though you might never reach 250W. It's kind of like having a 500 HP car with a governor on it, ;) Not a perfect analogy, but you get the idea. I guess the main point is, what the hell can you do with 250W?
You never know maybe Rip will reach that. Beats me. I started vaping more than 3 years ago. And believe me I couldn't imagine vaping at 15 watts back then :D.
 

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Not tryin to be dickish but for all you scientists out there still trying to boil your water until it is 500 degrees..good luck with that..lol :p

My point may not be clear. Don't complicate it too much. Cloud chasers only know one thing. Sub ohm and even a novice like me knows that blowing big clouds on a .01 ohm coil rips the flavor right out of a juice. Not to mention sucks the bottom out of a 60ml bottle rather quickly.
 
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You never know maybe Rip will reach that. Beats me. I started vaping more than 3 years ago. And believe me I couldn't imagine vaping at 15 watts back then :D.

That's just it. I've only tried VV/VW with a 15W limit. I was not impressed. Started learning builds to suit my taste and found quite a few. My vaping V-Spot is at around 22W on a parallel .80 coil 28ga wrapped on a 5/64th for a toenail curling vaping "O" :)
 

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I'm picturing a 250 watt or bigger "mod" with an RBA made out of 1-1/4" stainless pipe so a coil 3/8" in diameter will fit in. Then you get one hit before the wick goes dry.

Coiled with 10ga kanthal twisted wicked with sheep wool? That should impress the girls..lmao
 

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Same here..love my mech mods but have ordered a DNA30 box. Hey I gotta know! :thumbs:

My local showed me the ZNA 50, and I was hugely intrigued. Part mech, part VW/VV. But, at $120, hard to justify in my mind. I can't justify a 20 watt because I like to vape around 15 on my mech, and if I stick with 20 watt, no room to push my coils to higher wattage. A 30 watt probably would work, but 100 would be way to much.
 

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Excellent post! I'm pretty much set on my authentic mechanical mods. I can see an advantage to the higher powered variable voltage/variable wattage mods but I also see they are a bit expensive and more prone to having problems such as chips, buttons, wires, and failures. Every time I'm in my local vape shops there is someone there with a broken box mod! I put my battery in wrong it friend my board, the switch doesn't work all the time, my battery cover warped the tabs broke, a wire came loose... I have had vv/vw mods in the past and the only one that remained 100% reliable and solid was my Itaste VTR. I'm probably going to get another higher powered VV/VW mod but I"m kind of sitting back to see what comes out and see the reliability issues as well. Right now the Vaporshark and Zen ZNA both have my attention as they are solidly built but I'm still on the fense and watching as other devices and reviews come out. I really appreciate all the information you provided as it cleared a alot of things in my mind and verified some of my own thoughts in regards to the latest vv/vw devices that have been coming out.
 

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My local showed me the ZNA 50, and I was hugely intrigued. Part mech, part VW/VV. But, at $120, hard to justify in my mind. I can't justify a 20 watt because I like to vape around 15 on my mech, and if I stick with 20 watt, no room to push my coils to higher wattage. A 30 watt probably would work, but 100 would be way to much.
100 watts isn't too much, IMO. I have the Sigelei 100w, and I use it more than anything else. It's very rare I run it at anything over 40 watts, though.

The reason I like it is for battery life. 2x 18650s in series (stacked) pushes between 7-8.2 volts, depending on battery charge. Regulating that down to 4.5 or 5 volts is slightly more efficient than boosting voltage.

I would love to get one of the new Vapor Flasks or the Bap dual 18650 DNA 40 mods, since I like dual batteries, but the price point us just too high. I'd love to see the prices come down at least a little. Does anyone know if the Vapor Flask and Bap mods are in series, or parallel?

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    100 watts isn't too much, IMO. I have the Sigelei 100w, and I use it more than anything else. It's very rare I run it at anything over 40 watts, though.

    The reason I like it is for battery life. 2x 18650s in series (stacked) pushes between 7-8.2 volts, depending on battery charge. Regulating that down to 4.5 or 5 volts is slightly more efficient than boosting voltage.

    I would love to get one of the new Vapor Flasks or the Bap dual 18650 DNA 40 mods, since I like dual batteries, but the price point us just too high. I'd love to see the prices come down at least a little. Does anyone know if the Vapor Flask and Bap mods are in series, or parallel?

    BOOM!

    And that's the reason I wouldn't have one.

    How quickly we forget
    Electric Cigarette Explodes in Fla. Man's Face - ABC News
     

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    Lungs smungs Ed..we don need no stinkin' LUNGS! Poke a hole in them bad boys and tube 'um! :lol:

    There was comedy bit, Dan Aykroyd on SNL I believe, where a tobacco exec was going on and on about how there was nothing wrong with cigarettes, The problem was the damn lungs that couldn't even deal with a little smoke. I looked for it, but couldn't find it. It was pretty funny.
     

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    And that's the reason I wouldn't have one.

    How quickly we forget
    Electric Cigarette Explodes in Fla. Man's Face - ABC News
    Not sure why that's relevant to the Sigelei 100w.

    There are some 18650s (ICR) that could possibly explode if drawn over the amp limits. Most 18650s in use by vapers are IMRs, since they can support higher amp limits and are of a safer chemistry. In the event of a short or too high of an amp draw, IMR batteries vent instead of exploding.

    The Sigelei won't fire coils below 0.15 ohms, which is safe for high drain IMRs like the Sony VTC. The main concern in using stacked batteries is that the batteries must be matched - if using one old battery and one new battery, the batteries won't drain evenly. As long as batteries are matched pairs, it's not an issue.

    Regulated mods, by their very nature, are safer than mech mods.

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    Something I'm still not getting about the DNA30.
    The Max is 8.3V..30W ..and Current is 10A...so if I built a coil that was 1.5 ohms I would just crank the watts up until I found a sweet spot but, if I cranked that bad boy up to 20W that would be around 5V..and up and up as long as I crank the volts go up..How does a 3.7V battery put out 8.3V? Boggles my mind. I'm sure a techie can answer that one. I sure can't.
     
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