Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[rdsok]

Got myself a bell cap for the kayfun. Volt RY4 on a 1.1 ohm cotton coil at 12.5W. Nom.

You nailed it Bill. I never tasted such a tobacco flavored RY4. Best ever.

I got my order of Volt RY4 yesterday... haven't tried it, I've kind of been stuck on vaping MVJ's Our RY4 that I mixed at 27% and just loving it... I've only been vaping it at 10.5w with a 1.5 ohm coil in my Kayfun and a 1.8 in my Aerotank v2... Today, I just got in and setup my Kanger Subtank.... cough, cough, cough.... Vaping a 0.5 ohm coil at 25w is going to take a bit to get used too.... Tried it at 30w also and right now I find that way too warm/hot for me... did I say... cough

 

[billherbst]

I've been vaping natural-tobacco-extract-based RY4s since they first appeared. (I think the first were VapeRite VR4 and Want2Vape RY4.) I've come to a conclusion, but I marvel at how long it took me to reach it. The light bulb didn't go on until recently, after the passage of many years. That conclusion is that ALL NET-based RY4s are NETs first, and RY4s second. They aren't merely a sub-genre of Custom RY4s, they're actually a sort of bridge liquid, connecting two very disparate worlds---the world of NETs and the world of RY4s. They come originally from the NET world and travel into the RY4 world, at least for awhile.

Many (I daresay most) NET-based RY4s are reverse-steepers. Like other NETs, natural-tobacco-based RY4s need considerable steeping time for their tobacco element to develop to full flavor. No steeping is required, however, for non-tobacco flavors (i.e., caramel and vanilla), which are most often synthetics, so those flavors tend to predominate when the juices are fresh. Over time, the tobacco comes on more strongly and eventually grabs center stage with almost all NET-based RY4s, pushing the sweeter non-tobacco flavors into the background.

Old NET-based RY4s are really just NET hybrids.

 

[Jerms]

Jerms, you did not steer me wrong at all. Finally got my Want2Vape package yesterday, I've been vaping away at the Paris and all I can think is "oh yes." I had been feeling a vague sense of ennui since I ran out of Walker's about a month ago, and now I've got that full, earthy/smoky experience again and all is good Plus flavor-wise it really is reminiscent of a Gauloise - didn't think I would enjoy a "cigarette" vape so much. Still hope Ken gets back in the game soon, but this fits the bill and is going into the rotation. So thanks for a great recommendation (especially since your own taste runs in other directions).

oh yeah, as for the gunk - I'm not sure it's that much less than Walker's. With the Paris I find myself cleaning the coil every 2-3 mls or so.

Awesome! I would have been surprised if they didn't work for you.

While all the Signature Blends are gunky, Paris is the gunkiest, but I knew that wasn't an issue for you. I really like the flavor of that unique NET, just not worth the work for me. Louisville I enjoyed a lot. London is decent, but there's other English pipe blends I like more. I haven't had Managua, but have heard it's a good cigar NET.

 

[MFToms59]

Is leaving an extract to steep at least a few months or more, before mixing it, common with all the self extractors here? I ask as I just finished my first few cold extractions started about a month and a half ago.
I originally was going to "try" a small mix after two weeks
P.S. the Cornell & Diehl engine no. 99 tobacco smelled so good from the package I could have chewed it up and eaten it. The juice smells so good I now, I could drink it LOL!

You'll get decent to good flavor the day you strain and mix your 6 week cold maceration, I'd mix two small bottles and store one for an additional two- three weeks.

It would take a whole lot of bottles and time to mix all of my extractions once they were ready, currently I have 3 Cigar macerations going in 660mls of liquid. Once strained and reduced by ~75-80%, I'll have ~132- 165mls of finished extract, mixed @20% flavor I'll have 660- 825 mls of Ready To Vape NET juice, that wouldd take ~3-4 days @ 6-8 hours per day. ( a WAG guess for sure)

 

[checkum]

, currently I have 3 Cigar macerations going in 660mls of liquid. Once strained and reduced by ~75-80%, I'll have ~132- 165mls of finished extract, mixed @20% flavor I'll have 660- 825 mls of Ready To Vape NET juice,

What, you buy a brick and mortar store to sell all that? Kidding

Thanks for the tips you gave me and everyone else so I could DIY my own.....

 

[Vicman]

Yesterday my orders from EV and N.E.T.com came in. It's like Christmas in December (sounds like it should be a thing). I broke in to a couple from NET.com and was really happy with them out of the mail. The first one to surprise me was Starry Night; man this has a lot going on with it and cant wait for it to develop a little more. It tastes like a nice cigar though.

The other one I ordered as I was looking for something in a blueberry/tobacco as that was the synthetic that got me off of smokes for good; Blue Ridge from MOV. However, the flavor has changed and have not found anything that satisfies that itch for me, until now. Red, White, and Blueberry is exactly how I remember BR a year ago with more of a tobacco kick to it. Very happy Clay brought this one to market because, my first year off cigs is almost here and wanted to celebrate with a nostalgic flavor.

Gonna probably break into Bright Burley and Classic Virginia from EV tonight. After reading the review by Jerms on English, kinda in the mood for a nice Virginia. I tell ya, it's like Christmas in December here!!

 

[67Tele]

Tonight Want 2 Vape London is in one Magma with my first KGD, courtesy of Vicman, cotton wick . The other Magma has MVJ's Ashton Artisan's blend with rayon. I do notice a little difference. Seems to be a little more flavor with the rayon but a little fuller with the cotton. I'm enjoying the cotton though. Thanks Vicman. More testing needed...

 

[Vicman]

Tonight Want 2 Vape London is in one Magma with my first KGD, courtesy of Vicman, cotton wick . The other Magma has MVJ's Ashton Artisan's blend with rayon. I do notice a little difference. Seems to be a little more flavor with the rayon but a little fuller with the cotton. I'm enjoying the cotton though. Thanks Vicman. More testing needed...

Been going back and forth with rayon and kgd for a little bit now. The main difference I find is rayon seems to take a few pulls until that "rayon" flavor goes away. Although, when the rayon taste goes away, it brings out the best in the juice. Also, when the wick gets dry, that "rayon" flavor comes back. Whereas, kgd seems to not have any taste to it. It tastes like whatever I put on it right away and does not tell me when it is dry except for a little scratchy like feeling in the throat. I feel the flavor is equal to rayon in this case as well. Either way, I enjoy both as they both bring out the best in the NET's.

 

[67Tele]

Been going back and forth with rayon and kgd for a little bit now. The main difference I find is rayon seems to take a few pulls until that "rayon" flavor goes away. Although, when the rayon taste goes away, it brings out the best in the juice. Also, when the wick gets dry, that "rayon" flavor comes back. Whereas, kgd seems to not have any taste to it. It tastes like whatever I put on it right away and does not tell me when it is dry except for a little scratchy like feeling in the throat. I feel the flavor is equal to rayon in this case as well. Either way, I enjoy both as they both bring out the best in the NET's.

I'm getting the same thing. Rayon does take a bit to get to the full flavor and definitely lets you know when you're running on empty. Both good. Different but good. I think i need to try different wicking with the cotton. Learning bit by bit...

 

[MFToms59]

... What, you buy a brick and mortar store to sell all that? Kidding

Thanks for the tips you gave me and everyone else so I could DIY my own.....

that's not counting the 4 Cigars & five tins/pouches of Pipe Tobacco... and 10 more extracts in the cupboard.
No Brick & Mortar though

 

[Vicman]

I'm getting the same thing. Rayon does take a bit to get to the full flavor and definitely lets you know when you're running on empty. Both good. Different but good. I think i need to try different wicking with the cotton. Learning bit by bit...

If you noticed, the outer layer of kgd is thicker than the middle part. So what I do is take the thick outer layer off and it seems to work much better. It brings out the best in terms of taste.

 

[67Tele]

If you noticed, the outer layer of kgd is thicker than the middle part. So what I do is take the thick outer layer off and it seems to work much better. It brings out the best in terms of taste.

I cut a pad in half and take both sides off. Still need to thin it down a little to get in the coil so I should probably do thirds and see if that's easier.

 

[rdsok]

I cut a pad in half and take both sides off. Still need to thin it down a little to get in the coil so I should probably do thirds and see if that's easier.

I've been thinking of moving up to a 2.5mm diameter coil instead of the 2mm I've been building with... Expecially if I move to 26g wire instead of the 28g I'm currently using. If so... I won't need to thin out my japanese cotton that I've been using.

While I haven't measured it yet... I think the Subtank 0.5Ω may be using 26g... at least it looks that big. I've been enjoying the vape I get on that coil a lot as well when running 25w with the MVJ Our RY4.

 

[Jerms]

With KGD, I used to tear the pad in half to make two squares, and cut the wick from a half pad. Now I don't split the pad, just cut a wick from the whole pad. Using more wick in the coil works great as long as I thin the tails like I do with rayon to speed up the wicking. The better contact in the coil improves wick longevity, but too tight has the reverse effect and decreases flavor.

 

[67Tele]

With KGD, I used to tear the pad in half to make two squares, and cut the wick from a half pad. Now I don't split the pad, just cut a wick from the whole pad. Using more wick in the coil works great as long as I thin the tails like I do with rayon to speed up the wicking. The better contact in the coil improves wick longevity, but too tight has the reverse effect and decreases flavor.

Thinning tails is something I haven't got the hang of yet. I'll need to try loosening them in the coil to. I've been making them to a thickness that will bunch up the end opposite to the end I'm pulling and tugs on the coil. Sounds like that's too tight.

I've been thinking of moving up to a 2.5mm diameter coil instead of the 2mm I've been building with... Expecially if I move to 26g wire instead of the 28g I'm currently using. If so... I won't need to thin out my japanese cotton that I've been using.

While I haven't measured it yet... I think the Subtank 0.5Ω may be using 26g... at least it looks that big. I've been enjoying the vape I get on that coil a lot as well when running 25w with the MVJ Our RY4.

I've gotten a little comfortable with 28g wrapped on 7/32", 5/32" or 1/8" aiming for 1.0 ohm coils. I've tried 24g a few times but keep forgetting to buy 26g. I'm trying to keep conservative til I figure it out and since I'm running on a DNA30.
Diane tossed in a bottle of Our RY4 with my last order. It's getting itself ready.

Thanks for the tips!

 

[Jerms]

Thinning tails is something I haven't got the hang of yet. I'll need to try loosening them in the coil to. I've been making them to a thickness that will bunch up the end opposite to the end I'm pulling and tugs on the coil. Sounds like that's too tight.

Yeah, you want it to slide with a little resistance, but not so much it bunches up or moves the coil. Try removing a few strands. Pulling both ends to stretch the wick thins it a little too; more so with rayon but can also work with KGD. I also roll the wick a little like rolling a cig. Just to tighten it up a little, not too much.

 

[Jerms]

MVJ Nicarao Havana Sun Grown Cigar at 14 months in Origen dripper.. pretty nice. The flavor from Diane's previous methods indeed do blossom nicely as the age long-term. Unlike many NETs that become less sweet with time, this one seems to have gotten sweeter.

 

[billherbst]

Is leaving an extract to steep at least a few months or more, before mixing it, common with all the self extractors here?

No---but not just an ordinary "no," a huge thousand-foot sky-written NO!.

How am I supposed to know if a given extract is tasty or "ready" without vaping it? By magic? Just because somebody on a forum says so?

I may put away an extract or DIY NET juice for steeping after I vape some, but never before.

For me, steeping is a natural process. I don't "steep" extracts or juices. I just live, and steeping happens, whether I want it to or not.

 

[Ohio Points]

I may put away an extract or DIY NET juice for steeping after I vape some, but never before.
Exactly!!! Never understood how people can steep something they haven't even tried yet, learning how juices change is part of the process for me and I prefer many juices "fresh" over steeped anyway.

For me, steeping is a natural process. I don't "steep" extracts or juices. I just live, and steeping happens, whether I want it to or not.

^^^ This ^^^

 

[checkum]

No---but not just an ordinary "no," a huge thousand-foot sky-written NO!.

How am I supposed to know if a given extract is tasty or "ready" without vaping it? By magic? Just because somebody on a forum says so?

I may put away an extract or DIY NET juice for steeping after I vape some, but never before.

For me, steeping is a natural process. I don't "steep" extracts or juices. I just live, and steeping happens, whether I want it to or not.

Now that makes more sense to me! I doubt I could wait that long before sneaking in at least a couple "test" vapes.
Running to the cupboard to mix and