Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[ed101z]

1. Smokin Cherries
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7. Cherry Wild Wood
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10. Legend

Haven't tried the first two, but Legend's cherry notes come through really good - after steeping 2-3 weeks. Surprised to see it at the bottom of your list. It's becoming a favorite all day vape for me.

Pendragon doesn't crack the top 10? I know there are opinions on both sides of the aisle on that one

I'm really wanting to try Pendragon, and will do so perhaps very soon. What's your take on it? Does Cherry & Vanilla dominate? I'm hoping the Burley tobacco takes the drivers seat with Cherry and Nilla as passengers.

 

[y cherry y]

Understood

Pendragon doesn't crack the top 10? I know there are opinions on both sides of the aisle on that one

I've never had it. I did forget to add Pop That Cherry. Truly terrible artificial cherry.

 

[Blacks_n_Jacks]

I've never had it. I did forget to add Pop That Cherry. Truly terrible artificial cherry.

I generally don't use acronyms on this forum, but I will never fully type that juice's name. PTC it will be

 

[Dusty_D]

Understood

Pendragon doesn't crack the top 10? I know there are opinions on both sides of the aisle on that one

Pendragon, not even close to top 10. I found it really light and barely containing any flavor. It was the weakest of MOV's nets I tried.

I'm surprised by y cherry y's (who I think is a girl too, and actually said that the other day) rating of Legend. Mine has steeped about a month or two and the Cherry is really coming through along with a very nice tobacco in the forefront.

QuickNicJuice had sent me an extracted cherry tobacco sample along with some others that I found really decent as well, but cannot for the life of me remember the name right now.

I'm not a big fan of cherries (specially fake cherry flavouring..blech!), so haven't made a big effort to go out and source juices containing them.

 

[Island Vapor]

This is really an awesome thread. I am wanted to get in to DIY.I would like to know where is the best place to get whole tobacco leaves to DIY and what kind of leaves for a rich, sweet taste. Also have any tried Cigars for DIY.I am in the Bahamas and I can get real Cuban cigars. Thanks for any help AJ

 

[Mr.Mann]

Haven't tried the first two, but Legend's cherry notes come through really good - after steeping 2-3 weeks. Surprised to see it at the bottom of your list. It's becoming a favorite all day vape for me.

I am almost positive that YCY was being funny more than anything since Legend is not officially a "cherry tobacco." Some of you may remember that HHV initially claimed (don't know what they say now) that there was no other "flavors" in Gandalf (Legend) but "tobacco." Obviously tobacco can be dressed up so to speak, but Legend is not officially labelled as anything other than pipe tobacco. It is also interesting to go back and read all of the first reviews of Gandalf to see that "cherry" was never mentioned. I am not saying that it isn't the case now, but I think it's interesting. There was talk of "chocolate" quite often, or even "Toostie Roll," but "cherry" started popping up later after all of the Gandalf/Legend revisions. Hell, I never even remember seeing "maple" associated with Huntsman early on (Dusty was the first I saw mention it later), but now that's all I taste in Huntsman (as far as the main "other" flavor).

I guess my point is that we may taste maple in Huntsman, or cherry in Legend, but until it's disclosed it's just going to be "pipe tobacco." Now, best Gummi Bear tobacco would have to go to Jiggy, even if they don't label it as such! LOL. J/K. I actually have come to REALLY appreciate Jiggy.

 

[Darkstar>otherone]

I just got my vaperite naturally flavored house extracted tobacco. If I've never had any NETCOM offerings I would say its the best cigarette replacement I've had, but I'm can't wait to get my single leaf extracts from NETCOM tomorrow. I should also get my order of hump back from qnj tomorrow. I like mixing NETCOMs sun cured Turkish with the air cured burly and flu cured Virginia per the ratios on the website. We will see how the hump back matches up.


Edit
can anyone tell me how this vaperite house extracted changes with steeping?

 

[Big Juicy]

For me, HHV is nasty, nasty stuff.

I haven't tried Pendragon yet. MOV is next on my list

 

[TexasVet]

By new he meant a new version that became available recently. They are using a different caramel since the one they were using was suspected to contain diacetyl. I wonder if the new FVF tastes noticably different from the previous version. I didn't like the butteriness of the caramel before so if it tastes different I want to try it again.

I got that... Thanks for the clarification Jerms.

It was NEW to me last October when I went there and read about it and it said Limited Edition, as it still does. Now that it is NEW again I haven't tried it as I have over 40ml of the old new.

 

[Dusty_D]

For me, HHV is nasty, nasty stuff.

I haven't tried Pendragon yet. MOV is next on my list

What all have you tried from HHV, BJ? I'm curious because I've seen you say this a number of times now, but with nothing else to back up your statement. I may have missed your original assessment of the HHV stuff that you found nasty but would like to know where you're coming from.

 

[Jerms]

When it comes to cherry tobaccos, I have a trifecta of amazing cherry vapes that I'll happily reorder. If I never have another cherry tobacco again that would be fine by me, having three I love is more than enough in that category.

My opinion of Pendragon from MOV is opposite of what's been mentioned so far today. I absolutely love it, it's at the top of the trifecta and one of my favorite NETs. Light cherry and vanilla notes that play perfectly with the slightly leafy tobacco.

Legend from HHV and Smokin' Cherries from Ahl are the other two. Even though Legend isn't sold as a cherry tobacco, for me it tastes exactly like one so for my purposes it's cherry tobacco (cherry cavendish). Smokin' has the boldest tobacco of the group and a great cherry flavor. While it's not one of my favorite aros from Ahl, it still holds a place in my amazing cherry tobacco trifecta.

QnJ has a solid cherry NET, I enjoyed it but it fell short of greatness for me. I doubt I'll ever try PTC from GeJ, haven't heard a single good report from that one yet.

 

[Mr.Mann]

What all have you tried from HHV, BJ? I'm curious because I've seen you say this a number of times now, but with nothing else to back up your statement. I may have missed your original assessment of the HHV stuff that you found nasty but would like to know where you're coming from.

I think he's had Double D Watermelon!

 

[Jerms]

Hell, I never even remember seeing "maple" associated with Huntsman early on (Dusty was the first I saw mention it later), but now that's all I taste in Huntsman (as far as the main "other" flavor).

I guess my point is that we may taste maple in Huntsman, or cherry in Legend, but until it's disclosed it's just going to be "pipe tobacco." Now, best Gummi Bear tobacco would have to go to Jiggy, even if they don't label it as such! LOL. J/K. I actually have come to REALLY appreciate Jiggy.

I didn't associate maple with Huntsman, either fresh or well steeped. Woodsy, sweet tobacco yes, maple no. I believe others that they taste it though, it's the same how I taste a definate cherry in Legend and some don't taste cherry at all.

I did get Gummi Bear in Jiggy though lol, and I think most would. I liked Jiggy quite a bit, but a bottle lasts me forever.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I must have missed that post in the Big Thread... What I have said all along is true... All of our NETs are single extract mixes. If you order a NET from us, there is the PG/VG content, nicotine and the extract. Some of these tobaccos have changed over the course of time, but not due to us adding anything extra to the extracts. They are what they are. Single origin extracts. The slight variations that occur over time are due to the properties of the tobacco itself and not us adding or removing other flavor components. As an example, we do not add a cherry component to Legend. Legend is just plain ol Legend extract.

Adam

That was stated today in HHV's sub-forum in response to my post (well, technically in response to DD's). So, they still say they don't "add" cherry or any other flavor to the extract, but that's not the same as saying "Legend does not come from a cherry Cavendish"---that part is still unknown. Adding a flavor or not, and identifying the kind of flavored tobacco used are two different things. What we know is that Legend comes from Legend extract!

It's all good. It is what it is. What is it? It's Legend. (But don't go to your local tobacconist asking for Legend tobacco. )

 

[Jerms]

That was stated today in HHV's sub-forum in response to my post (well, technically in response to DD's). So, they still say they don't "add" cherry or any other flavor to the extract, but that's not the same as saying "Legend does not come from a cherry Cavendish"---that part is still unknown. Adding a flavor or not adding flavors and identifying the kind of tobacco used are two different things. So, what we know is that Legend comes from Legend extract!

It's all good. It is what it is. What is it? It's Legend. (But don't go to your local tobacconist asking for Legend tobacco. )

Lol, yeah I've seen that explaination before and it doesn't say anything about the flavorings that may be in them. They are obviously extracts of flavored cavendish tobaccos or tobaccos which have been topped with flavoring, so those sugars and flavorings end up in the tobacco extract. Lots of flavored NETs are like that, getting the flavor from flavored tobacco. Saying Legend is just Legend extract and that they don't add cherry doesn't mean that Legend isn't an extract of cherry flavored tobacco.

I wonder if HHV maybe doesn't even know exactly the tobacco blends are used to make the tobacco extracts they buy, and that's why they don't specifically say what the flavor is in the descriptions? None of that matters to me personally, even if Legend doesn't even contain a cherry cavendish tobacco or any tobaccos that have cherry flavoring, which is very possible, it still stays the same that it tastes like a cherry NET to me and when in the mood for a cherry NET Legend works perfect.

 

[Big Juicy]

I think he's had Double D Watermelon!

I have had Dragon's Fire, Shadowfax, and Granpa's Nightcap. All were sent to me by HHV Soulbrother #1 Bronze, so I gotta assume they were in their prime and sterling examples of the line.

I couldn't get past the artificial sweetener taste of DF and SF. It just overwhelmed and saturated my palette. NASTY, NASTY STUFF, I'm sorry. The GNC actually was pretty good. I will likely vape the rest of it. I doubt I will reorder, as it is not going to unseat NETCOM Black Cavendish for me and they are very similar. If I remember correctly it was oike a Black Cav but a bit more robust, layered, and maybe even smoky? I gotta try again because I had a burn out on my attie with it and it soured my taste memory. Overall I thought it was solid. The other two...low grade dogfood. I had to gargle some BGB to get rid of the taste.

I will just say this to, for what it is worth. After dozens upon dozens of messages all over ECF about the consistency of the liquids, potentially changed formulas, ups and downs overall of this vendor...not to mention my own experience with two completely different versions of Dragon's Fire...I have zero interest in working with this vendor. The juices just in no way were good enough for me to play Russian roulette given all the exceptional and consistent NET's out there. Man was Dragon's Fire rancid!

All that said, I have this Bronze-approved Dragon's Fire and Shadowfax lying around and would gladly trade for some Legend + another HHV NET not listed above if anyone wants...then I can make a final Uncle BJ declaration on these guys. PM me.

 

[Jerms]

Also.. Pendragon is just Pendragon extract, pg vg, and nic, no flavors added. The difference though.. MOV states that the tobaccos used have been laced with cherry and vanilla flavors. They buy and extract the tobaccos themselves though, which could indicate that they are more aware of the specific tobaccos used.

 

[Jerms]

BJ, Grandpa's Nightcap is from Quicknic.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Lol, yeah I've seen that explaination before and it doesn't say anything about the flavorings that may be in them. They are obviously extracts of flavored cavendish tobaccos or tobaccos which have been topped with flavoring, so those sugars and flavorings end up in the tobacco extract. Lots of flavored NETs are like that, getting the flavor from flavored tobacco. Saying Legend is just Legend extract and that they don't add cherry doesn't mean that Legend isn't an extract of cherry flavored tobacco.

I wonder if HHV maybe doesn't even know exactly the tobacco blends are used to make the tobacco extracts they buy, and that's why they don't specifically say what the flavor is in the descriptions? None of that matters to me personally, even if Legend doesn't even contain a cherry cavendish tobacco or any tobaccos that have cherry flavoring, which is very possible, it still stays the same that it tastes like a cherry NET to me and when in the mood for a cherry NET Legend works perfect.

Yeah. I still think Gandalf/Legend was one of the best flavors to come out in the past few years. I guess in the end, that's all that matters to most. For us in this thread, however, we generally like to know more from NET vendors. It's cool though. I think I will go get Jiggy with it.

Oh, and for anyone wondering, they do exist! ROTHFLMAO ------ > White Gummi Bear Hookah Tobacco - Fumari.com

 

[Mr.Mann]

HHV knows what strains of tobacco are used in the making of their tobacco extracts (actually, Adam has told me a good deal about the particular strains), but as we've know, tobacco strains have many categories (varietal/region/cut/cure). Tobacco is not tobacco, but I'll take a clean-burning undisclosed tobacco over disclosed synthetic--but if my druthers were met, I'd always have a clue about the flavors I am buying.

Sometimes I think the whole mystery flavor aspect in eliquid is often employed just to sale the liquid without the buyer having any preconceived notions. It can work to the vendors' advantage if the consumer would never buy a cherry flavored tobacco (sale), but it can shoot them in the foot if the buyer is turned off by a simple statement of "pipe tobacco" (no sale).