Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

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Vaperite Madagascar Vanilla Tobacco is sort of special to me. We don't have B&M where I live and one day I ordered a VTR and juice. Still smoking, I started researching what else is out there for e-juice. When I saw you could buy it with tobacco in it my eyes lit up, I don't know what made me choose the vanilla, but it brok a 25 year habit.

Last night I tried it for the first tim in a KFL and it was almost like a new juice so much more flavor, unbelieveable these KFL's.
 

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Yeah I went down to my local hardware store...which is a good one and was able to rube goldberg a buchner funnel and a vaccum filtering system that i can hook up to a home vaccum cleaner and adjust the strngth of the draw. the whole thing cost me like 20 bucks.





QUOTE=johni;14520465]I agrre with Bill, cold maceration vs. heat assisted (if you avoid excessive heat) both can produce wonderful results and temperament of the extractor will be a big determining factor. I prefer cold steeps because they require the least work and extractions are never exposed to potentially carmelizing heat.

Flavorful extract is far more dependent on blend selection than extraction method employed. Adequate filtration does effect juice performance but cheap , easy filtering produces results as good as any more elaborate home setups.

Extraction is definitely gratifying and the savings are substantial. While experimentation has been the only way we've moved forward, it seems lately, some are trying to make it an expensive hobby, investing in various equipment and trying some pretty exotic methods. I use less than $10 worth of equipment, keep it simple, and am happy with the results. Do whatever works for you and keeps you happy but relax and enjoy it.:D

ETA: Bill, you also have my La. Red as a head to head.
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I wanted to ask if anyone has used 2.5 micron lab filters to filter thier extracts with, and what the results were.

According to posts I've read here on ECF (which may indicate dubious authority, but that's true of just about every ), a standard drip coffee filter---whether pleated/fluted flat-bottom basket-type or Melitta conical, and whether single layer or doubled---filters down to 10-30 microns, depending on the individual filter. They're not laboratory filters, so quality and pore size varies substantially.

I've read other sources online (of equally uncertain authority and validity) that stated from 20-100 microns. In all my online reading about this question, I've never seen anyone suggest that a paper coffee filter is less than 10 microns.

So coffee filter wouldn't be good as a pass after 5 micron before 2.5 micron. My 2.5 micron takes forever to filter.
 

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So coffee filter wouldn't be good as a pass after 5 micron before 2.5 micron. My 2.5 micron takes forever to filter.[/QUOTE]

Use a mesh strainer to ensure that the bulk tobacco stays out of your filters. Pour it through the strainer and into the filter. It should cut the time drastically. I noticed at least a 2 hour difference doing about 70ml through a 3 micron.
 

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I started out doing my own taste test of black cavendish a few weeks ago which included EV Eclipse, RBFS Caven Fever and NET.com Black Cavendish. I was happily vaping along and I needed to refill all three tanks which I did. Unfortunately I lost track of which tank had what vendor’s liquid in it. I finished vaping the balance of the tanks and then scrapped the test. I am hoping to go back to it however I vaguely remember that Caven Fever’s flavor was somewhat on the mild side IMO. I am not sure if it is because this is the way it is or if I need to steep it longer for the flavors to come out or if it was over-steeped if there is such a thing. It was pre–steeped for three weeks before I received it and then I let it steep for another month. Do I need to steep it longer and if so what is the recommended time? I do not test taste my liquids FOOB.
 

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From Area V, Frankenmizeria...

In the Vast And Prohibitively Expensive Laboratory we have the VaporShark rDNA running the Evolv DNA40 chip.


The rig: SQuape R, wide-open airflow setting
The juice: Walker's Finest King (iirc, Arturo Fuente King T), 100% VG
The coil: 10-wrap 28 ga. TEMCo Pure Nickel Annealed (Ni200) Round Wire coming in at 0.26 ohms
The wick: Koh Gen Do
DNA40 setting: Temperature control @ 450 degrees

The vape: Fully saturated, entirely delicious flavor. The preheat is a new thing to get used to, but it doesn't take long. The DNA 40 continuously adjusts power to maintain the temperature setting.

Is this a game-changer? I can only say that I've had the King in the same rig with a Kanthal+DNA30 and I get better, more nuanced flavor in the temperature-controlled DNA40 setup.
Am I impressed? Yes, I am. Just as my switch from EGO+Clearomizer to advanced mods+self-made coils and wick were a revelation, so is this.

As always, YMMV.
 
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I started out doing my own taste test of black cavendish a few weeks ago which included EV Eclipse, RBFS Caven Fever and NET.com Black Cavendish. I was happily vaping along and I needed to refill all three tanks which I did. Unfortunately I lost track of which tank had what vendor’s liquid in it. I finished vaping the balance of the tanks and then scrapped the test. I am hoping to go back to it however I vaguely remember that Caven Fever’s flavor was somewhat on the mild side IMO. I am not sure if it is because this is the way it is or if I need to steep it longer for the flavors to come out or if it was over-steeped if there is such a thing. It was pre–steeped for three weeks before I received it and then I let it steep for another month. Do I need to steep it longer and if so what is the recommended time? I do not test taste my liquids FOOB.

With the RBFS liquids and others, I found that they had much more flavor after I steeped them for about five weeks to around ninety days after they first arrived, pre-steeped or not.
I always test a few drops of the liquid when I receive them and then every 7 to 10 days until I am personally satisfied with the taste.
 

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I started out doing my own taste test of black cavendish a few weeks ago which included EV Eclipse, RBFS Caven Fever and NET.com Black Cavendish. I was happily vaping along and I needed to refill all three tanks which I did. Unfortunately I lost track of which tank had what vendor’s liquid in it. I finished vaping the balance of the tanks and then scrapped the test. I am hoping to go back to it however I vaguely remember that Caven Fever’s flavor was somewhat on the mild side IMO. I am not sure if it is because this is the way it is or if I need to steep it longer for the flavors to come out or if it was over-steeped if there is such a thing. It was pre–steeped for three weeks before I received it and then I let it steep for another month. Do I need to steep it longer and if so what is the recommended time? I do not test taste my liquids FOOB.

Cavendish comes from different "stock". My favorite is captain Jack Black Dark(pipesandtobaco.com), super dark but its fermented longer so its sweeter. I really like Caven Fever as a change of pace but it comes from a different stock, nothing you do as far as steeping is going to change that. Eclipse is a different animal as I believe it has some additive burley. I've made quite a few NETS now and the only on that competes with net.com is Captain Jack Black Dark. Most of my other NETS don't com close to Ether, RBFS, or Net.com quality
 
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With the RBFS liquids and others, I found that they had much more flavor after I steeped them for about five weeks to around ninety days after they first arrived, pre-steeped or not.
I always test a few drops of the liquid when I receive them and then every 7 to 10 days until I am personally satisfied with the taste.

Thanks checkum. I have read nice comments regarding RBFS liquids in general so I was anxious to try Caven Fever. Will let it steep longer.
 

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Cavendish comes from different "stock". My favorite is captain Jack Black Dark, super dark but its fermented longer so its sweeter. I really like Caven Fever as a change of pace but it comes from a different stock, nothing you do as far as steeping is going to change that. Eclipse is a different animal as I believe it has some additives. I've made quite a few NETS now and the only on that competes with net.com id Captain Jack Black Dark. Most of my other NETS don't com close to Ether, RBFS, or Net.com quality

I appreciate your comments Regal. Who is the vendor for Jack Black Dark?
 

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Well I made 2 extracts one 100%VG,slow cooker method..... and the other was a 1 month long steep of tobacco in 100%PG......

the filtering process for the was through metal mesh sieve, then through coffee filter assissted with a light vaccum, then through a 2.5micron filter with a light vaccum...we will see...I was wondering if filtering with the assisstance of a vaccum is going to effect the juice....when filterd through the coffee filter the filter was covered in a black silt that was easy to see...whereas after filtering through the 2.5 micron filter it looked as though the filter was a uniform shade of light brown I could not detect any kind of silt or matter caught in the filter...I am a afraid perhaps the light vaccum was too strong and pulled matter through the filter, whereas maybe a gravity feed filtering would have seen more debris on the 2.5 filter.


So coffee filter wouldn't be good as a pass after 5 micron before 2.5 micron. My 2.5 micron takes forever to filter.

Use a mesh strainer to ensure that the bulk tobacco stays out of your filters. Pour it through the strainer and into the filter. It should cut the time drastically. I noticed at least a 2 hour difference doing about 70ml through a 3 micron.[/QUOTE]
 

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Eclipse doesn't have additives. Its just 3 different burleys mixed together. A cavendish isn't a "type" of tobacco leaf like virginia or maryland. The basic process is to impregnate the leaf with casing sauces.

I meant to say additive burleys, corrected. The way I understand Cavendish is there is fermentation so sugar levels are going to be different?
 
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