Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[luceblueboy]

With no disrespect intended toward Anthony, I no longer accept the assertion that PG conveys flavor better than VG. Numerous posters I respect on the DIY forums have challenged that assumption as well.

I agree that VG produces more/thicker vapor, but I don't find VG an "inferior" carrier for flavor. Flavorings do take longer to distribute or dissolve into VG than PG. The overall vaping experience of VG versus PG may be slightly different, but that's due, I think, to other characteristics of each base liquid, such as viscosity, rather than ability to convey flavor, per se.

YMMV, of course.

From what I've found the extracted flavorings from VG are just as good as the PG ones. It's when the flavoring is PG based that it will be lost in a VG dominant liquid. I've tried three cigars flavors extracted from VG which were just as good as any PG version.

 

[clnire]

I vape higher vg juice due to pg does strange things to me (I have experimented and the scratchy throat and unquenchable thirst don't happen with higher vg) and I find flavors just as good, they just take a longer steep/shake time.

 

[UnclePsyko]

Is the extraction process the same with VG?

 

[billherbst]

Is the extraction process the same with VG?

In making extracts with simple macerations, yes, the process is essentially the same with VG as with PG---cover the finely-chopped tobacco with solvent, heat or wait, then filter.

Because of its thicker viscosity, VG will take longer during the maceration stage for full flavor transfer into the solvent, and filtering will be slower. Gravity-filtering 100% VG through a fine-pore 2-micron lab filter may not work at all. Some home extractors thin VG with distilled water or pure grain alcohol to reduce the viscosity and allow easier, faster filtering.

I've never used either 100% PG or 100% VG as a maceration solvent. All 50 of my extractions were done with various PG/VG blends (70/30, 60/40, 50/50). Filtering to 5 microns with a French Press coffee maker is no problem, but gravity-filtering down to 2 microns with a funnel takes many hours.

 

[UnclePsyko]

Thank you sir!

 

[Angel Eyes]

if you vape a high VG NET, say 90% VG, is heat or cold extraction preferred type when ordering something like Naturally Extracted Tobacco's Black Cavendish?

 

[Mazinny]

Clay has told me that that heat extractions will result in a slightly more robust flavor and cold extractions in a slightly more nuanced flavor. If the common opinion that vg doesn't carry flavor as well as pg is correct, heat extraction might be the route to go. Some home extractors here don't agree with the general consensus though.

I would call Clay and discuss it with him.

 

[Jords3089]

Hello everyone...just wanted to stop in and let everyone know i made my first order with NET.com. I ordered ns brown and speaking spirit. This is my first naturally extacted tobacco order. I've been searching for a true tobacco vape and really looking forward to trying these out.

 

[AnthonyB]

Jerms, you did not steer me wrong at all. Finally got my Want2Vape package yesterday, I've been vaping away at the Paris and all I can think is "oh yes." I had been feeling a vague sense of ennui since I ran out of Walker's about a month ago, and now I've got that full, earthy/smoky experience again and all is good Plus flavor-wise it really is reminiscent of a Gauloise - didn't think I would enjoy a "cigarette" vape so much. Still hope Ken gets back in the game soon, but this fits the bill and is going into the rotation. So thanks for a great recommendation (especially since your own taste runs in other directions).

oh yeah, as for the gunk - I'm not sure it's that much less than Walker's. With the Paris I find myself cleaning the coil every 2-3 mls or so.

So glad you tried W2V and that you are enjoying Paris.

Did you get any other NETs from W2V?

The Managua is a timeless classic as is Louisville (still the best burley out there from what I've tried in my opinion), London, The Blond and Alcazar.


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[AnthonyB]

I am making waves with Vash from Ethervapes to organise an order to Australia following the recent A tier listing and great reviews.

Any recommendations other than Confederate? Based on descriptions and reviews on the site top leaf and gold leaf sound like they are right up my alley for raw tobacco cigalike goodness.

Dark Skye with the spiced custard option sounds amazing on paper. I'm definitely going for vanilla and dark Skye.

I better get a third drawer prepared!


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[Vicman]

I am making waves with William from Ethervapes to organise an order to Australia following the recent A tier listing and great reviews. I keep hearing about Vash but I have been speaking to William.

Any recommendations other than Confederate? Based on descriptions and reviews on the site top leaf and gold leaf sound like they are right up my alley for raw tobacco cigalike goodness.

Dark Skye with the spiced custard option sounds amazing on paper. I'm definitely going for vanilla and dark Skye.

I better get a third drawer prepared!


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I would recommend Midnite Lite. Real good and feels just like a cigar. The chocolate does not dominate this mix instead, it kinda binds the blend together to something nice and pleasant.

Another one, if you like burley, would be Bright Burley. A real good representation of a good burley.

 

[Influence]

I am making waves with William from Ethervapes to organise an order to Australia following the recent A tier listing and great reviews. I keep hearing about Vash but I have been speaking to William.

You can always speak to Vash over here http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...vapes-general-site-info-chit-chat-thread.html

 

[Ohio Points]

Hello everyone...just wanted to stop in and let everyone know i made my first order with NET.com. I ordered ns brown and speaking spirit. This is my first naturally extacted tobacco order. I've been searching for a true tobacco vape and really looking forward to trying these out.

Welcome, you're going to love NETS, even better if you have an RDA, and can build coils...easy peasy.



Also just got some Cult; Blood Red Moon pipe tobacco in the mail and have it steeping....smells wonderful.

 

[67Tele]

Hey Anthony
I have two cabinet shelves full. I had to move my coffee! The two I've tried recently and have been digging are Pure Virginia and the revamped Bright Burley. Both of these with short steeps are good particularly the Bright Burley which seems a little more refined and nuanced than the earlier version. I have Pure Virginia in the Lemo Drop with 1.0 coil and its cruising along.

I am making waves with William from Ethervapes to organise an order to Australia following the recent A tier listing and great reviews. I keep hearing about Vash but I have been speaking to William.

Any recommendations other than Confederate? Based on descriptions and reviews on the site top leaf and gold leaf sound like they are right up my alley for raw tobacco cigalike goodness.

Dark Skye with the spiced custard option sounds amazing on paper. I'm definitely going for vanilla and dark Skye.

I better get a third drawer prepared!


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[clnire]

The Bright Burley is excellent. Vanilla Skye is one of my faves. I have had both Gold Leaf anf Top Leaf and both would be in the permanent stash if I didn't have all these wonderful home extractions. Dark Skys is one I just tried recently and had to order a bigger bottle. Also just received Confederate but at only 1 week old I have not cracked it open yet. I need to try the Pure Virginia...

 

[clnire]

Anthony, you do realize William IS Vash? No disrespect intended, just not sure you know that.

 

[fouroulou]

I've done it again. Put up a post and disappeared, leaving a respondent in the lurch. Sorry about that Loulou.

In short, PG conveys flavour better than VG. PG is better for flavor, VG produces more vapor.


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Oh well, would have liked to have seen the longer version of the post A lot of people here responded saying that this rule of thumb is not always true - I agree it's not necessarily true, but if in your experience adding PG to Walkers gives you better flavor I certainly believe you. (Can we already shorten "taste is subjective" to TIS?)

Unfortunately this is a moot point for the near future, Ken is on a kind of hiatus due to a new job in the non-vape world. All those lakes of extract just sitting there waiting to be mixed bottled and sent...

 

[fouroulou]

So glad you tried W2V and that you are enjoying Paris.

Did you get any other NETs from W2V?

The Managua is a timeless classic as is Louisville (still the best burley out there from what I've tried in my opinion), London, The Blond and Alcazar.


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Yes also got London, The Blond, and Alcazar - was tempted to try more but on first orders I limit myself in quantity until I know firsthand that I like the vendor (now I know). Paris was really the standout for me, but I do enjoy the London. Alcazar is a nice vape but so far nothing more, I'll let it sit for a while and see what happens. When I tried the Blond it didn't agree with me, but will try it again after some more steep time. Sorry, I know that's not very informative, but my memory is crap. If I don't describe a liquid as I'm vaping it all is lost...

Does VulcanVape ever carry these in lower than 11mg? Just a bit overwhelming for me on a dripper.

 

[Smocian257]

I am making waves with William from Ethervapes to organise an order to Australia following the recent A tier listing and great reviews. I keep hearing about Vash but I have been speaking to William.

Any recommendations other than Confederate? Based on descriptions and reviews on the site top leaf and gold leaf sound like they are right up my alley for raw tobacco cigalike goodness.

Dark Skye with the spiced custard option sounds amazing on paper. I'm definitely going for vanilla and dark Skye.

I better get a third drawer prepared!


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The bright burley. Also whichever one is tobacco with rasberry , red dawn maybe? just toss it in as the free 10ml when you order

 

[fouroulou]

What's a "regular" juice?!

NETs 4 EVER!!

Custards. Well until someone comes out with NECs that is.