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Mann that is unfortunate that they changed the tobacco extract or even maybe more than that...

My Gandalf is like your darker one but almost as soon as I put it in my rebuildable atty tank it gets very dark redish brown but tastes awesome. I'm not sure why but maybe it's the open air and the heat from the atty ?

Also I assume that if they changed the tobacco extract , then all the e-liquid flavors have changed too , like Huntsman ect..?
In all reality Huntsman is not the same either . ? And I'll be due for more of that soon too. I'm saying soon as in two to maybe three weeks tops.

I don't know if I'm right on the nicotine cmming from the tobacco extract or not ?

I talked to Carol at Want2Vape about the Creme Brulee' , as I tasted tobacco in it and asked if there were tobacco in it she said no ,but the nicotine they use is extracted from tobacco and that's probably the taste I'm getting.

So is the tobacco extract seperate from the nicotine here ?

Extracting nicotine is a completely different beast as nicotine is an alkaloid, and just isolating that one would require too much for just an eliquid vendor -- I am not sure if any vendor extracts their own nic. I don't know if HHV changed their extract so much as maybe they substituted one type of tobacco source to another. It could be simple but monumental in terms of taste.
 

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I think, repeat, think that there is something else going on different with the Gandalf that is unspoken. I remember the biggest selling point, way back when, was that Gandalf was AMAZING straight out of the box. I can recall my first back and forth with Bronze about Gandy needing or not needing to steep. I was saying that it did NOT need to steep and was completely confused as to why anyone would say otherwise...that is until I got an order from that time. I don't know if they stuck with it, but I do remember around that time I found out that they were using another nic different from the beginning, but I don't know if they continued. The fact remains that anyone that had it from the beginning knows that it isn't really so much of just an extra amount of extract that's different, but it is simply a new juice that is vaguely reminiscent of the other. While I do feel bad that Adam changed the amount of extract based on my orders asking for more (and others asking for it the way I got it), the fact is that even the juices that I had with extra extract are NOT the same as the juice now. Originally the juice was the color of, I dunno, maybe apple juice? But now, the last bottle I had was very dark and got much darker.

p.s. When Gandy first came out, a simple 24-48 hr steep was about the max if it was needed at all. These were fromt he first batch, note the color. The bottle on the right was the original (meaning the first bottle I bought) and the bottle on the left was the extra extract. Both bottles, because of the shadow from the bottle cap, look even darker than they were.
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Yo, Mann! I've got a bottle that arrived recently that I requested as OG (Original Gandy). It was amazing without a steep and is a light apple juice color as you described. I did the 48-hour cap off steep, the color hasn't changed much, and it tastes just like it did out of the box. Maybe your baby is back?
 

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Yo, Mann! I've got a bottle that arrived recently that I requested as OG (Original Gandy). It was amazing without a steep and is a light apple juice color as you described. I did the 48-hour cap off steep, the color hasn't changed much, and it tastes just like it did out of the box. Maybe your baby is back?

Word? Uh oh...you got me smilin'!
 

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Word? Uh oh...you got me smilin'!

Don't get your hopes up. Hate to be pessimistic, but I have come to learn that Gandalf has come in several different flavors...none of them the same, none of them duplicated. That said, there are still a lot of people who like the current Gandy. Doesn't do much for me, but I'm just one person. Fortunately, there are plenty of alternative HHV flavors that are top shelf for me. It's like being a billionaire and losing a million dollars in a card game.
 

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Hey y'all. Been a while. Hope everyone is well. :toast:

I got some Original and Current Gandalf last Monday. 50pg/50vg, 15mg nic. Here's what they look like after 2 days caps off, plus another 5 days steeping. (original on left, current on right)
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From what I gather, Gandalf is nothing but the extract, plus pg/vg and nic. There are no additional flavors added on top of the extract.

I've been vaping them on the 2.0Ω dripping atty's I got from HHV. I have to say that both were quite vapable straight outta the box. With Original Gandalf, I get a little more of the pg/vg/nic experience, leaving me chasing those various sweet notes of the extract a bit. To me, it's a very subtle vape compared to the rich character of current Gandalf, but I'm diggin it. They are definitely different, but they are not worlds apart. To be honest, right now it just seems like I'm vaping Gandalf vs Gandalf Light :) I'm gonna let them steep a little more to see if they start to separate themselves. One thing I like about Gandalf Light (aka OG) is that I have an easier time picking up on the tobacco notes, without having all those other sweeter notes screaming at me!

As a side note, the Gandalf I got in my first order (16 days prior to this order) seemed to have more flavor. The formula was 30pg/70vg, 18mg nic. Both bottles I have now seem to have less overall flavor in comparison. :confused: I wonder if these new bottles were made with a different batch of extract. Can the flavor really vary that much? Has anyone noticed any this with any of the other HHV Purity tobaccos?
 

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NF, to really asses a difference, the pg/vg levels need to be the same. I always went with 70pg/30vg for the best flavor. It is obviously up to you, but HHV recommends 70pg/30vg. Those do look a lot like the O.G, though.

p.s. You are right about the extract being Gandalf, and the pg/vg, nic, and amount of extract being simultaneously not as important and the most important part.

p.s.2 I got some 3 mL empties coming my way, so I should be hittin' you up soon.
 
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NF, to really asses a difference, the pg/vg levels need to be the same. I always went with 70pg/30vg for the best flavor. It is obviously up to you, but HHV recommends 70pg/30vg. Those do look a lot like the O.G, though.

p.s. You are right about the extract being Gandalf, and the pg/vg, nic, and amount of extract being simultaneously not as important and the most important part.

p.s.2 I got some 3 mL empties coming my way, so I should be hittin' you up soon.

Nice! Just saw that on the A+ thread too. What you got fo' me, homie?! ;)

In those pics, OG is on the left, current is on the right. The difference in color is barely noticeable. They're both 50/50. My old 30/70 Gandy is gone, so I can't compare. But as you mentioned, it wouldn't be a fair test. I'm just under the impression that more vg = less flavor, so my thought was, "how can I be getting less flavor when I have higher pg content?" Nah mean?
 

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I'm gonna jump in here, even though I really am just a novice at all this. If we are talking Tobacco Extracts, wouldn't color and taste be subjective to seasonal crops ? I mean. someone has to buy the tobacco leaves. And if they are using an in-house extraction proccess, is a tobacco farmer making ejuice or is a chemist buying tobacco leaves ? I've never grown tobacco, but I've raised vegetable gardens for over thirty years. Soil conditions, rainfall (amount and regularity), temperatures all play a role and can affect yield. Years ago I lived next to a retired tobacco farmer who liked my little garden, but he always talked about how 'temperamental' tobacco crops were and how you could lose an entire season real easy. Now, it would seem to me if these are naturaly extracted tobacco flavors, seasonal crops would slightly alter from year to year. But what do I know, my first NET order just started steeping...:unsure:
 
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I am torturing the poor T3s. One of them has been drained of TPR Burley & Candy and refilled with my rapidly dwindling Candied Cavendish. Doing great and increases my already high esteem for this juice.

The other, which had previously vaped 2mls each of Serendipity and the very VG-rich CC Twisted Tobacco, is now carrying 1.5mls of Want2Vape Red Pirate, which besides being delicious is also one of the more infamous hardware killers in juicedom

Will report back tomorrow on whether my T survived the night ;)
 

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I'm gonna jump in here, even though I really am just a novice at all this. If we are talking Tobacco Extracts, wouldn't color and taste be subjective to seasonal crops ? I mean. someone has to buy the tobacco leaves. And if they are using an in-house extraction proccess, is a tobacco farmer making ejuice or is a chemist buying tobacco leaves ? I've never grown tobacco, but I've raised vegetable gardens for over thirty years. Soil conditions, rainfall (amount and regularity), temperatures all play a role and can affect yield. Years ago I lived next to a retired tobacco farmer who liked my little garden, but he always talked about how 'temperamental' tobacco crops were and how you could lose an entire season real easy. Now, it would seem to me if these are naturaly extracted tobacco flavors, seasonal crops would slightly alter from year to year. But what do I know, my first NET order just started steeping...:unsure:

You would be correct Papa. This is a topic that frequently surfaces on this thread.
 

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I am torturing the poor T3s. One of them has been drained of TPR Burley & Candy and refilled with my rapidly dwindling Candied Cavendish. Doing great and increases my already high esteem for this juice.

The other, which had previously vaped 2mls each of Serendipity and the very VG-rich CC Twisted Tobacco, is now carrying 1.5mls of Want2Vape Red Pirate, which besides being delicious is also one of the more infamous hardware killers in juicedom

Will report back tomorrow on whether my T survived the night ;)

I appreciate these reports, Scarf! Keep em comin. It seems you're really diggin on The Plume Room's NET offerings. I'm definitely gonna have to try them. Have you tried the Honey Fig?

I'm very interested in the t3's too, as they seem to be the big brother of ce3's. Out of all the clearos I've tried so far, ce3's are the most satisfying to me. The Nova Mini and CE4/Stardusts just aren't doing it for me. I think I've narrowed it down to a general theme: "gimme the least amount of wick possible," as they just seem to get in the way. I'll have to order some T3's today, it seems like they're living up to the hype.
 

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Over at the thread ; 2012 Best of the Best E-Liquids Awards , Heather's Heavenly Vapes seems to be in the lead with Alien Vision and
Ahlusion , Good e juice , Copper Creek , Back Woods Brew , Nite Lite Vapor , with flavors like; Gandalf , Serendipity , Boba's Bounty , Smooth Criminal , Sleighride , Bluegrass Burley , Vita Bella , ect.....

It's very early yet so this will be interesting ! :thumbs: :vapor: :)




http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...n/351553-2012-best-best-e-liquids-awards.html
 

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Anyone know of any of the NET vendors having Thanksgiving or Black Friday sale. I know of the PLume Room and will definitely be ordering a couple from there but who else is having a sale? Thanks. :)

I think Ahlusion may be open by then and will probably be having a sale. Don't quote me on it, but if they do have a sale, you heard it here first. LOL

Hey KL, have you tried Tampa from VS (non-NET)?
 

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Out of all the clearos I've tried so far, ce3's are the most satisfying to me. The Nova Mini and CE4/Stardusts just aren't doing it for me. I think I've narrowed it down to a general theme: "gimme the least amount of wick possible," as they just seem to get in the way. I'll have to order some T3's today, it seems like they're living up to the hype.

(Off-topic)
Although I still have a significant stock of Boge and SmokTech filler cartos (mostly for use in tanks), I've gradually come around to clearos. While the flavor they provide is terrific, CE3s have been a bit sketchy for me, with a higher incidence of leaking than I like (and yes, I know how to fill them, upside down with a bit of air space left). My favorites are Ultimate CE2s---the ones with the unbreakable tubes. I remove and discard the inner seals with the syringe hole and replace only the secondary o-rings, making them easy to re-fill from a bottle. Ult CE2s are cheap (about $2 each), give good flavor and throat hit, with easy cleaning and great longevity, and they have a wide range of voltage tolerance (which CE3s don't), performing beautifully at any voltage from 3.7 to 5.

I've avoided CE4s, but I did jump on the Kanger T2s when they came out. I have the ones with longer wicks (half the length of CE2s). They're OK---very little leaking, acceptable flavor, and decent performance---but T2s aren't as good for me as Ult CE2s or CE3s. I have a box of five T3s waiting in the wings, so we'll see about those when I get some new juice I like enough to load up 3mls.

Tanks with filler cartos are still (for me) the best overall vape ever, at least until seal issues cause pressure weirdness that results in flooding, but tanks are juice hogs even when perfect. You'd think that with 7 liters of retail juice and making more each week with DIY, I wouldn't care, but I do. Go figure.

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With regard to the infamous clogging/gunked coils caused by particulates in NETs, I wonder why that's never been bothersome to me. I've vaped many (I daresay even most) of the NETs discussed in this thread, and yes, some---like w2v and vaperite---use filtration methods that leave more particulates. Sure, I've had carto filler get dark and gunky, but I just run a strong stream of hot tap water through those cartos, and they clean up nicely, ready for refilling. In addition, I'm not sure I've ever experienced early coil death from burned-on gunk. Maybe I have and just don't realize it, but one would think I'd notice something so obvious as diminishing flavor or vapor production.

And what about all the people who get 4-5 days from a carto and then pitch it because of tightening draw or loss of flavor? Do they come from a different planet than I do? Admittedly, I keep 60 PVs loaded-and-ready and don't vape any one device/juice more than about an hour a day, but my cartos/clearos last me literally for months on end, like the Energizer Bunny. Yes, they do eventually go wonky or burn out, but that takes a heck of a long time in my experience. So what's the deal with carto/clearo crib death? Truth or illusion? Reality or urban myth?
 

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I think Ahlusion may be open by then and will probably be having a sale. Don't quote me on it, but if they do have a sale, you heard it here first.

I certainly hope so. I'd like to try Smooth Criminal, and---despite my ridiculous, profligate spending on vaping stuff---I'm still enough of a miser to want to save a buck or two.
 
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