Natural Tobaccos

[VaporMizer]

Yep, the exact same thing. Tobacco Absolute - One Stop DIY Shop Store Here you go! You could make a ton of Best Damn tobacco with that one vile.

I am feeling a bit duplicitous tonight with my posting, as if it isn't easily seen, but I can't be PMing everybody.

I know this isn't quite on topic, but does anyone know what the difference is between TA and tobacco Extract (http://www.onestopdiyshop.com/tobacco-extract/)?

The extract sounds like it's easier to work with ("do not try to use alcohol to dilute this one, it does dilute well with water then will mix well with your blends" ) and probably closer to the flavor most DIY tobacco juice makers would be looking for ("has more of a "cigarette" type flavor and less of the "grass" note" ) .

Just wondered if anyone here had any experience with the extract.

 

[Mr.Mann]

In other words after all's said and done, VV = a TA not a NET?

Depends on how technical you want to be. In my opinion, I call TA juices, TA juice.

Taken from VV's site (notice how TA can be worded): It's finally here! Introducing XXXXXXXX all new organic tobacco! We took our bold name from the exclamations trying this flavor inspired in taste testers! This tobacco flavor is a rich, full bodied flavor and is completely free of propylene glycol unless a PG mix is requested. This flavor is specially extracted from certified organic or wild crafted, pesticide-free tobacco without the use of hexane{?}. It contains only trace amounts of organic ethyl alcohol added during mixing in order to keep it in solution. Enjoy!

What is underlined is the give away.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I know this isn't quite on topic, but does anyone know what the difference is between TA and Tobacco Extract (Tobacco Extract - One Stop DIY Shop Store)?

The extract sounds like it's easier to work with ("do not try to use alcohol to dilute this one, it does dilute well with water then will mix well with your blends" ) and probably closer to the flavor most DIY tobacco juice makers would be looking for ("has more of a "cigarette" type flavor and less of the "grass" note" ) .

Just wondered if anyone here had any experience with the extract.

My first impulse was to say it was just diluted, but it appears to be what it says it is. It is clearly super concentrated, but it is achieved in a different manner ei.e. OAE extraction vs. hexane. That one may be JUST what you are looking for, VM. Billherbst just ordered something similar, so I can't wait to see what he thinks. Go for it.

 

[Hulamoon]

Freudian or intentional slip there Mr M?

Yep, the exact same thing. Tobacco Absolute - One Stop DIY Shop Store Here you go! You could make a ton of Best Damn Tobacco with that one vile.I am feeling a bit duplicitous tonight with my posting, as if it isn't easily seen, but I can't be PMing everybody.

 

[SkinniePost]

I know this isn't quite on topic, but does anyone know what the difference is between TA and Tobacco Extract (Tobacco Extract - One Stop DIY Shop Store)?

The extract sounds like it's easier to work with ("do not try to use alcohol to dilute this one, it does dilute well with water then will mix well with your blends" ) and probably closer to the flavor most DIY tobacco juice makers would be looking for ("has more of a "cigarette" type flavor and less of the "grass" note" ) .

Just wondered if anyone here had any experience with the extract.

Sounds like a better choice, given what you are looking for, as well as easier to use. But I have no experience with it, so that is based on the same info you have...

 

[SkinniePost]

Depends on how technical you want to be. In my opinion, I call TA juices, TA juice.

Taken from VV's site (notice how TA can be worded): It's finally here! Introducing XXXXXXXX all new organic tobacco! We took our bold name from the exclamations trying this flavor inspired in taste testers! This tobacco flavor is a rich, full bodied flavor and is completely free of propylene glycol unless a PG mix is requested. This flavor is specially extracted from certified organic or wild crafted, pesticide-free tobacco without the use of hexane{?}. It contains only trace amounts of organic ethyl alcohol added during mixing in order to keep it in solution. Enjoy!

What is underlined is the give away.

I think if vendors want to use slight of hand to advertise a product, that underlined statement might be just the ticket to covertly get the answer we are looking for. Just ask the vendor if the "NET" contains alcohol, because you are allergic to vaping alcohol. No way for them to dodge that question...

 

[SkinniePost]

So far Ahlusion, Want2Vape and Vaperite state that no alcohol is used in their NETs... I can't find anything on Goodejuice or HHV, but I haven't/can't smelled any of it in the orders I recently got from both of them... I will look into some of the others, out of curiosity.

 

[VaporMizer]

My first impulse was to say it was just diluted, but it appears to be what it says it is. It is clearly super concentrated, but it is achieved in a different manner ei.e. OAE extraction vs. hexane. That one may be JUST what you are looking for, VM. Billherbst just ordered something similar, so I can't wait to see what he thinks. Go for it.

Just ordered a "dram" of the extract. Guess I'll find out what that is too once it gets here.

 

[SkinniePost]

Just ordered a "dram" of the extract. Guess I'll find out what that is too once it gets here.

About 3.5ml... But a dram of single malt scotch is bigger than that, haha.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I think if vendors want to use slight of hand to advertise a product, that underlined statement might be just the ticket to covertly get the answer we are looking for. Just ask the vendor if the "NET" contains alcohol, because you are allergic to vaping alcohol. No way for them to dodge that question...

Not exactly, but sort of. Some vendors like Ahlusion and HHV (Ahlusion with their non-aromatics and some of their NETeas, HHV with them all) use OAE as the extraction driver. I have gotten straight-up answers when I just ask if they use TA. Of course, I don't buy unless I get a response anyway. Like Rawr just the other day confirmed that their Poison series uses TA.

 

[scarf-ace]

I have been busy all day and unable to keep up with the happenings on this matter. But something still smells suspicious to me. The fellow who poster the original pics of the icky juice said that is what it looked like AFTER 30 seconds of shaking! If it truly was just "flavoring coming out of solution" as claimed, between the shaking and the glycerine (which has emulsifying properties), it should have become homogeneous again.

Will have much, much more to say when I get home.

 

[Mr.Mann]

So far Ahlusion, Want2Vape and Vaperite state that no alcohol is used in their NETs... I can't find anything on Goodejuice or HHV, but I haven't/can't smelled any of it in the orders I recently got from both of them... I will look into some of the others, out of curiosity.

HHV=OAE extraction, though not necessarily added to the juice after the fact as in thinning the TA with OAE. GeJ uses a PG maceration. W2V is unknown, though I think they use a CO₂ extraction and A+ uses something similar with their aromatics.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I have been busy all day and unable to keep up with the happenings on this matter. But something still smells suspicious to me. The fellow who poster the original pics of the icky juice said that is what it looked like AFTER 30 seconds of shaking! If it truly was just "flavoring coming out of solution" as claimed, between the shaking and the glycerine (which has emulsifying properties), it should have become homogeneous again.

Will have much, much more to say when I get home.

ALl has been unearthed and brought into the light. Read the thread over there and see how it developed.

 

[NoMoreTequila]

About 3.5ml... But a dram of single malt scotch is bigger than that, haha.

Well, one would certainly hope the SMS would BE more if your buying it out! And it probably IS worth more than the TA. I'm truely amazed at how good my 3 month old BWB Casablanca is tonight!!! Could someone please tell me about this wonder and it's wonderfull sibling Hunters Blend? NET, TA or both maybe. What say ye?

 

[Racehorse]

I don't mean it let off a lot of lint, I mean LINT was all that was left of the jacket when I opened the dryer door.

I thought it was ironic, you know, FLEECE(D).

Ah! Just realized: Another juice name. Maybe two:

*Fleeced*
and
*Lint Juice*

.......now all I need is a fabulous oxymoron to name my business.

I swear, I keep picking up on words out of this topic. How about *Vile* for another juice name? Its not like it would be totally unlike some of the stuff we've all bought, right.

 

[SkinniePost]

Not exactly, but sort of. Some vendors like Ahlusion and HHV (Ahlusion with their non-aromatics and some of their NETeas, HHV with them all) use OAE as the extraction driver. I have gotten straight-up answers when I just ask if they use TA. Of course, I don't buy unless I get a response anyway. Like Rawr just the other day confirmed that their Poison series uses TA.

I understand using it as an extraction driver, but you wouldn't leave the tobacco extract in alcohol over a long period of time would you? Oh well, I was hoping that the alcohol used in extraction was removed from the extract, and the extract was then kept in PG/VG until mixing which would still mean alcohol added to the finished product was only there to keep an oil in suspension... Thanks for the solid information though

 

[Mr.Mann]

I understand using it as an extraction driver, but you wouldn't leave the tobacco extract in alcohol over a long period of time would you? Oh well, I was hoping that the alcohol used in extraction was removed from the extract, and the extract was then kept in PG/VG until mixing which would still mean alcohol added to the finished product was only there to keep an oil in suspension... Thanks for the solid information though

Give me a couple days and I'll be able to tell you more detailed info cause as of now, I don't know diddly about the process.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Well, one would certainly hope the SMS would BE more if your buying it out! And it probably IS worth more than the TA. I'm truely amazed at how good my 3 month old BWB Casablanca is tonight!!! Could someone please tell me about this wonder and it's wonderfull sibling Hunters Blend? NET, TA or both maybe. What say ye?

What say we? We can't say jack cause Don won't tell.

 

[SkinniePost]

Well, one would certainly hope the SMS would BE more if your buying it out! And it probably IS worth more than the TA. I'm truely amazed at how good my 3 month old BWB Casablanca is tonight!!! Could someone please tell me about this wonder and it's wonderfull sibling Hunters Blend? NET, TA or both maybe. What say ye?

Not really sure about BWB, pretty top secret... But I think they use a NET base, and in some cases with other flavors and possibly tobacco extracts added? Don't quote me on that though, haha.

 

[devlindchi]

Alright so my ry4v2 arrived from M&P. One thing I find weird about my taste test is, it smells like straight up caramel, but tasted like flowers. So how long should I let it steep before I can taste the caramel and the floral flavor subsides?