Natural Tobaccos
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I went ahead and posted. Does that read as too harsh?
I went ahead and posted. Does that read as too harsh?
I can't imagine how you could have said it any nicer, and still got the message across.
I had to use a my own filtration process to filter out all of my heavier particulate criticisms.
Sorry, I had to. LOL
Well said Mr. M.
I had to use a my own filtration process to filter out all of my heavier particulate criticisms.
I have purchased from Annette a few times and her flavored juices can be quite good, one of my favorites is Drunken Pirate Pudding, a New Orleans style raisin/rum bread pudding
but, she is having problems with tobacco ... last year, I mentioned/described a favorite Dutch choco pipe tobacco on her forum, and she tried to duplicate it, I tested it, reviewed it and it wasn't good, and I think she knew it ... I "think" she's getting nic from ECOPure, I don't know for sure ... I hope she realizes this sure ain't right and will fix it ... she does seem to be quite consenscious about safety, product quality, ingredients, but you wouldn't know it from these pics ... I sincerely hope she responds, she has always been very good and responsive to her customers before
but, she is having problems with tobacco ... last year, I mentioned/described a favorite Dutch choco pipe tobacco on her forum, and she tried to duplicate it, I tested it, reviewed it and it wasn't good, and I think she knew it ... I "think" she's getting nic from ECOPure, I don't know for sure ... I hope she realizes this sure ain't right and will fix it ... she does seem to be quite consenscious about safety, product quality, ingredients, but you wouldn't know it from these pics ... I sincerely hope she responds, she has always been very good and responsive to her customers before
I have purchased from Annette a few times and her flavored juices can be quite good, one of my favorites is Drunken Pirate Pudding, a New Orleans style raisin/rum bread pudding
but, she is having problems with tobacco ... last year, I mentioned/described a favorite Dutch choco pipe tobacco on her forum, and she tried to duplicate it, I tested it, reviewed it and it wasn't good, and I think she knew it ... I "think" she's getting nic from ECOPure, I don't know for sure ... I hope she realizes this sure ain't right and will fix it ... she does seem to be quite consenscious about safety, product quality, ingredients, but you wouldn't know it from these pics ... I sincerely hope she responds, she has always been very good and responsive to her customers before
I really don't mean to belabor this topic, but it seems inevitable that if this gets put out there with no push-back, there will be others. All I can think about is some "agency" seeing or receiving a juice that looks that way and thinking, "this is being sold over the internet?". It is one thing to see something that looks innocuous, but that looks, I repeat, looks dangerous. It very well may be fine, but...
p.s. I do NOT doubt she has some incredible offerings, but that juice is uncredible?
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you're not belaboring it, I agree this is untenable ... I also meant to say that I think she is buying her tobacco extract from the UK, and I thought it was from ECOPure but I don't know ... after all her precautions, I just can't fathom why/how she could do this ... sheesh
That first juice, the one in the dropper, looks like a bad mixing of tobacco absolute in a pg/vg. I am sure some of you know how TA can be oily and so thick that it can't mix properly without being properly diluted. The juice with all the particles seems as if maybe she ground up the tobacco first before extracting it -- maybe in an attempt to make the tobacco more able to release its flavor?
If that is TA, which would make sense from the looks of that sludge, then there would be one more issue. When I went to her site a little while ago, I noticed she explicitly states that none of her tobacco was extracted with hexane. The strange thing about that is as far as I know, no NET vendors (at least not the ones mentioned in this thread) are using hexane except for tobacco absolute manufacturers -- so why even articulate the distinction? Oh, and also on her site, she said that she "added" OAE, not for the extraction, but during the mixing to "keep it in solution" -- that is odd unless of course it is TA.
Maybe it is as simple as her making a huge investment and needing to recoup? But on whose backs?
If that is TA, which would make sense from the looks of that sludge, then there would be one more issue. When I went to her site a little while ago, I noticed she explicitly states that none of her tobacco was extracted with hexane. The strange thing about that is as far as I know, no NET vendors (at least not the ones mentioned in this thread) are using hexane except for tobacco absolute manufacturers -- so why even articulate the distinction? Oh, and also on her site, she said that she "added" OAE, not for the extraction, but during the mixing to "keep it in solution" -- that is odd unless of course it is TA.
Maybe it is as simple as her making a huge investment and needing to recoup? But on whose backs?
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I am no expert in the world of NET tobaccos, primarily watching and learning from the kids' table here, but would be afraid for my health if I put something that looked like that into my carto or atomizer. To be honest, the photos of the newly released NET tobaccos from a well known vendor look quite "dodgy" from my comparatively inexperienced perspective.
I was wondering, did any of you regular NET vapers happen to test her juices before she released them?
My fear--however unfounded-- would be that someone might get seriously ill from these, releasing an avalanche of newfound challenges to the entire vaping community, in terms of stringent manufacturing and vending regulations or even outright illegalization.
Thoughts anyone?
I have NEVER had a juice separate, aside from a a cinnamon juice from Ms.T that contained cinnamaldehyde and eugenol. Those are essentially oils, but they still didn't look like that. But to answer your question, I am totally confused by her statement. I didn't want to post in her thread exactly how confused I was, but saying it's not pieces of tobacco but the "tobacco extract;" that it is a "liquid" but separates out of the solution? I am thinking now that it is not so much of her, but her receiving bad product and or consultation.
I don't know if there is any health hazard above any NET or vaping in general, but I know one thing, your coils would be very sick.
I do know that months ago, she received product from the UK, which she sent back, saying it wasn't like the sample
I would really like to think someone else is responsible ... still, I wouldn't buy that
A greater concern is that the vendor doesn't seem predisposed to look further into the apparent consumer/client concern, seeming content that its being created in a lab is sufficient evidence that it is of high quality. Further, I would want to see some sort of quantifiable evidence that it is not 'harmful' (any more than any other e liquid may be) as a potential consumer. "Third party...lab" doesn't give me much comfort, when the third party could be XYZ fly-by-night manufacturer with a small pop-up trailer in a third world country. (just sayin'...I'm sure it's not, but it COULD be.)
By the way, we may have to check with Scarf, but I believe the "Fantastique" is a nod to me for turning her on to that blend of OG1 and NP. It really is a nice blend, but I haven't had the urge to try it since I got Patriot. I think I posted about this a few pages back. Patriot covers a lot of bases!
How did I miss that??? Nick Fantastic. Symphonie Fantastique. Boy, am I getting old or what?
All I can say is, I'll be Igor to your Dr. Frankenjuice any day you want to operate. And I'd bet my bottom dollar that this way of "creating new life" is a heck of a lot safer than Monsanto and GMO foods.
I received my two Virgin Vapor tobaccos today. I bought the regular and the peach tobacco. The peach didn't have too many particles but the regular did have a lot. I filtered both two times through coffee filters. With the regular tobacco, the first filter removed most of the sludge while the second removed most of the small particles. A few small particles remain in the regular while the peach is clear. Since Annette uses alcohol in eliquids, I'm going to let it steep with the cap off for a couple days then closed for awhile.
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