Natural Tobaccos

[Nick Fantastic]

If I recall correctly, Heavenly Tobacco and Georgia Peach Tobacco are not NET's. Not sure if they're TA or synthetic though. Another thing to note, RD, is that HHV's extracts seem to vary greatly from batch to batch. So even if you were to pinpoint all the flavor notes in your juice, they may not necessarily match up with some of the older reviews of the same juice. It's all in the quality and consistency of the tobacco. I know some folks who gave up on their #1 juice because it was no longer the juice they originally fell in love with. I would cry if that happened to me.

 

[NoMoreTequila]

I'm getting some flavor in my HT... just not much. If it doesn't develop so be it... The RY4 from GeJ is a good one from the looks of it. I just opened GeJ's Perique a few moments ago... I expected a bit more funk ( in the good way ) from the previous descriptions I've read... I also need to visit GeJ's Acadia Gold at some point... but for now I'll just finish enjoying the Perique as it is

I had mentioned earlier that when I tried GeJ's NET Menthol... that the menthol was just barely present even to a non-menthol smoker/vaper... I ordered the GeJ NET Menthol ICE today to see if that one kicks up the menthol enough without overpowering the tobacco in it as so many do. The tobacco in the standard one is a nice flavorful well rounded non-aromatic and it would be a shame to cover it up too much.

To me, there is a world of difference between Gej's ry4 and HT. I've only ordered 12s and 30s from Gej but they have All gotten a lot better after a month or two.

 

[rdsok]

If I recall correctly, Heavenly Tobacco and Georgia Peach Tobacco are not NET's. Not sure if they're TA or synthetic though. Another thing to note, RD, is that HHV's extracts seem to vary greatly from batch to batch. So even if you were to pinpoint all the flavor notes in your juice, they may not necessarily match up with some of the older reviews of the same juice. It's all in the quality and consistency of the tobacco. I know some folks who gave up on their #1 juice because it was no longer the juice they originally fell in love with. I would cry if that happened to me.

I'm pretty certain those are NET's ... expecially the Peach... I do understand that Legend... previously Gandalf has had several iterations. The latest reviews are close to what I'm tasting... cherry isn't dominant over the tobacco etc but it's certainly there ... they all mentioned that it dropped in intensity after a bit. I added on mine... that currently the cherry note is a bit floral but it's the type of floral I've tasted before that disappears pretty quickly.

I may PM EleanorR about Legend to see how close it is compared to the first release that she had. She had mentioned she was going to try it and compare it... but I don't recall her posting again after that point about it.

 

[rdsok]

To me, there is a world of difference between Gej's ry4 and HT. I've only ordered 12s and 30s from Gej but they have All gotten a lot better after a month or two.

Agreed that there is a big difference... I've got GeJ's RY4 also.

BTW... in typical male understatement fashion.... When I say good = it's really good...

 

[Nick Fantastic]

I'm pretty certain those are NET's ... expecially the Peach... I do understand that Legend... previously Gandalf has had several iterations. The latest reviews are close to what I'm tasting... cherry isn't dominant over the tobacco etc but it's certainly there ... they all mentioned that it dropped in intensity after a bit. I added on mine... that currently the cherry note is a bit floral but it's the type of floral I've tasted before that disappears pretty quickly.

I may PM EleanorR about Legend to see how close it is compared to the first release that she had. She had mentioned she was going to try it and compare it... but I don't recall her posting again after that point about it.

I'm pretty sure they're not NET's. But you may want to check with Adam. There is also no cherry in Gandalf Again, maybe check with Adam (I recall him posting that in his thread some time ago).

Unless you specified "Original" Legend when you ordered, then what you have is the current iteration, which has more extract than the original. Eleanor did post a while back regarding the new original, saying that she thought is was strikingly similar to the original original. I prefer the original to the current, but don't vape either anymore, really. I've moved on to the harder stuff

 

[NoMoreTequila]

I'm pretty certain those are NET's ... expecially the Peach... I do understand that Legend... previously Gandalf has had several iterations. The latest reviews are close to what I'm tasting... cherry isn't dominant over the tobacco etc but it's certainly there ... they all mentioned that it dropped in intensity after a bit. I added on mine... that currently the cherry note is a bit floral but it's the type of floral I've tasted before that disappears pretty quickly.

I may PM EleanorR about Legend to see how close it is compared to the first release that she had. She had mentioned she was going to try it and compare it... but I don't recall her posting again after that point about it.

I'm pretty sure Nick is correct that HT and GPT are not NETs. I actually have a 15ml bottle of GA Peach 3 mos. old that I haven't tried until now. (Too many great flavors and too few clearos)
I'm dripping it now in the same atty that I was just dripping DF in (so it might not be a fair test) but I'm diggin it! Yes, indeed!

 

[rdsok]

I did understand that the majority of HHV's juices had no added flavoring with the exceptions of the hybrids... ie on an RY4 you'd find caramel and vanilla just as an example...

If Adam had posted about Gandalf... then I think the post was removed. I only recall 2 posts made by vendors being left in at this time... they were posts not directly related to their own products directly. One early on and then the one just recently by MOV. BTW... if it isn't a cherry flavor directly from the tobacco extract... don't ask me what it is...

I have already PM'd EleanorR about it... I needed to at least say hi anyway since it had been a while since we'd chatted a bit.

 

[Nick Fantastic]

Right, we all know what an RY4 is. We also know that the peach in GA Peach Tobac is added after the fact, thus it's not one of their NET's. None of HHV's true NET's have flavoring added to the extract. All the tobaccos are cased with the flavoring prior to extraction. Though, if you want to taste cherry (and a pretty cough-syrupy one at that) try some Heavenly Army. That one MAY actually be a hybrid - with the cherry added after the fact. I dunno, kinda hard to tell. I got a little sample from a pal, and it was decent, for the first half ml. After that I just couldn't get over the oddness of the cherry flavoring used.

Anyway, don't feel bad, I once thought there was cherry in Gandalf too. Power of suggestion. Adam's post (I typed his thread, not this thread) - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-quality-custom-e-liquids-56.html#post7978775

 

[rdsok]

I read "his post" ... not thread... my bad...

In my case... it wasn't power of suggestion... it was the power of mis-identification it seems

At least I don't get banana in Pirates Booty ( also mentioned in his thread )... just that odd cinnamon which I don't think is anything more than my mind joining two existing flavors and thinking it is.


Now let me ask this ( and I'll probably not read this until morning.. bedtime for old farts ). I've seen the word "tobac" used several times and until you just used it... I thought it simply was a shortened version of "tobacco" ... if I'm reading the context correctly.. does "tobac" mean something different then?

 

[NoMoreTequila]

Right, we all know what an RY4 is. We also know that the peach in GA Peach Tobac is added after the fact, thus it's not one of their NET's. None of HHV's true NET's have flavoring added to the extract. All the tobaccos are cased with the flavoring prior to extraction. Though, if you want to taste cherry (and a pretty cough-syrupy one at that) try some Heavenly Army. That one MAY actually be a hybrid - with the cherry added after the fact. I dunno, kinda hard to tell. I got a little sample from a pal, and it was decent, for the first half ml. After that I just couldn't get over the oddness of the cherry flavoring used.

Anyway, don't feel bad, I once thought there was cherry in Gandalf too. Power of suggestion. Adam's post (I typed his thread, not this thread) - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-quality-custom-e-liquids-56.html#post7978775

I haven't ordered from HHV since before HA came out. (So much juice) But that's the first I've heard that it tastes like cherry.
Gandalf, (all my bottles say Gandalf when young had a slight metallic twang that was somewhat reminiscent of cherry. At times I thought I picked up a choco-orange. Now, well into middle age, Gandalf is an extremely pleasant cherry vanilla pipe tobacco. I also get coco and tea notes.

 

[rdsok]

When Mr.Mann was still here to discuss all things NET... everyone went through the number of variations they thought Gandalf ( now Legend ) had gone through... I see no reason to bring it up for discussion per se other than to say it appears to be around 4 maybe 5 now...

It is certainly interesting how so many can taste different variations of the same juice... I mentioned that in Dragon's Fire I'd get ( occasionally only ) something that reminded me of cinnamon. It seemed to be from part of the sweet flavor and a spicy note probably from the tobacco. In the same vein, I suspect you could combine a sweetness with a dark fruit like flavor and have your mind think cherry or a brighter tangier note and think orange.

On a related subject... I've notice when cooking, using a moderately low amount of coffee, cocoa, cumin and even anise ( fennel or licorice )... you can make the dish much richer in flavor and most people won't notice them unless you used a little too much. So flavor matrixing can make the mind think it is tasting one thing when really it is a combination of others.

 

[johni]

Having a bad taste bud day. Usually I just vape some "least favorites" until the flavor starts to return. Decided to try BGB instead and it works! I guess if you can't taste BGB you might need to check your pulse!

Noticed MrMann has some juices for sale in the classies. I'd buy if his nic levels weren't too high for me but someone should grab them. His baby is due in 2 weeks and I'm sure we all wish him the very best.

 

[TGCR]

fyi
heavenly tobacco, georgia peach tobacco, sweet swish, and vapin' chimp are not nets -- all of hhv nets are in their purity line and state they are extracted tobacco

 

[scarf-ace]

I'm trying my brand new EBarons from HOL which the super-kind Nick Fantastic was, er, fantastic enough to bring me in person along with my El Toros. First thing I notice is that Cigare de Paris has a knock-you-on-your-undercarriage aroma of almond, as in marzipan or amaretto. Strong enough to be momentarily disconcerting since I'm not a huge fan of that flavor or aroma. "Almond blossoms" are in the description but that is different than almond candy.

The taste on the other hand, is spectacular: a deep and smooth tobacco with high notes of sugared almond... REAL almonds, not marzipan. Imagine if you dumped a bunch of pipe tobacco into a wooden bowl containing Jordan almonds. That bowl would smell like CdP tastes. The room note is also gloriously good. I cannot wait to see how this steeps out.

Brasileiro smells of wonderful coffee with tobacco, and tastes like a rich espresso with lots of sugar, or possibly a coffee hard candy. The tobacco is a grainy, cerealy Burley that offsets the coffee perfectly. The sweetness is appealing to me but may not be if you're looking for a straight unsweetened coffee-bacco (like W2V Campfire Coffee). There is also an undertone, believe it or not, of popcorn (?!) which may not surprise you if you have tasted HHV's Mocha Java with its unmistakeable popcorn flavor. Maybe something about coffee flavoring just tastes like that? I dunno but I find it very pleasant.

I will try the El Toros that I haven't had yet (Eden, Guevara and Virginia) over the next few weeks. So far the Ebarons are absolute winners and may be entering the rarefied halls of my top 10.

 

[Nick Fantastic]

As I said, Scarf, that was a genius move getting those samples. I really enjoyed both of them, thanks for the taste. I was certainly surprised by the taste of Cigar de Paris, as the nose of that juice did have me a little as well. It just goes to show - You can't judge a juice by its odor. It is an AWEsome juice that really needs to get some recognition, this side of the pond.

For the next HoL order, the eBarons are definitely going to be on the list. Time to gather up another lot of juice to sell on the classies.

It was great hanging with ya, Scarf! Thanks for the goodies.

 

[TheCatsPajamas]

I didn't realize ebarron had NETs. Just took a look at HOL's site and it appears the papillon organic tobacco is a NET as well, might be worth a shot.


Sent from my Minds Eye

 

[Koman]

Having a bad taste bud day. Usually I just vape some "least favorites" until the flavor starts to return. Decided to try BGB instead and it works! I guess if you can't taste BGB you might need to check your pulse!

Noticed MrMann has some juices for sale in the classies. I'd buy if his nic levels weren't too high for me but someone should grab them. His baby is due in 2 weeks and I'm sure we all wish him the very best.

Yeah, I know. That tends to happen.

 

[scarf-ace]

First unsteeped taste of two new-to-me NETs...

Tastyvapor tobacco is a subtle slightly sweet blend, very noticeably a NET. No rough edges, no grassiness, possibly a Virginia? I like it for its simple tobacco flavor with no off-notes. This would be an ideal entry-level NET for someone just learning these, and some of our more hardcore friends would probably not care for it. I have another 30mls of this in a blend with caramel and vanilla cupcake (why? Just because LOL) and I think it will lend itself nicely to the sweet variation.

My Vape Juice's My Hero Vanilla is much more forthright, with a lip-smacking spiciness that hits the top of my palate in an amazing way, with the vanilla coming at the tail end. This may meld a little better after steeping but right now it is a delicious wake-up call. I can't wait to taste the rest of Diane's blends(I got quite a few) and I want to thank her again for helping me out with my order.

 

[Calam]

Vendor: GoodeJuice
Liquid: Vita Bella
Thoughts:
Sweet, soft, gentle. I like this. I think it's lacking some of the smokiness that would make it taste like real tobacco (maybe mixing it with London Blend would do the trick), but it's a pretty good imitation. Tastes like honey with a mild tobacco aftertaste. Has a faint chemical taste that I don't care for when exhaled through the nose, but that might be the carto. GoodeJuice calls it an all-day vape, and I could definitely agree with that. I think this needs some steeping time to get good, but it's quite pleasant.



Vendor: GoodeJuice
Liquid: Patriot Tobacco
Thoughts:
Ok, of the handful of juices I've tried, this is the closest thing I've found to imitate pipe tobacco so far. It's very similar to Vita Bella except with a little more body. It's actually a little sweeter than Vita Bella but got a surprisingly meaty taste, like Latakia. Unlike London Blend, it's much more balanced-tasting. The room note is a little disappointing however. Has a faint smell of stale socks that kind of ruins the sweetness.

 

[Cnew]

Thanks Scarf-ace and Calam for the terrific, descriptive reviews. Very helpful.