Natural Tobaccos

[Jerms]

Well damn Scarf! Hopefully your VAMO comes back from the dead. Q for you, I received Orange de Sangre and English Malt Toffee. Probably won't get to them for a bit. Should I give them an open and shake to get the steeping process started or are they better fresh?

Thuc, your description of Rogue sounds like I'd like it too. You plan on picking up the new Wicked Wench? It will probably be a while before I order from MVJ again so will enjoy vicariously others thoughts on them. Sadly my My Heros are down to the last couple mils.

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[scarf-ace]

Jerms, try them right away. If I recall correctly little if any steeping is needed.

 

[rdsok]

Well damn Scarf! Hopefully your VAMO comes back from the dead. Q for you, I received Orange de Sangre and English Malt Toffee. Probably won't get to them for a bit. Should I give them an open and shake to get the steeping process started or are they better fresh?

HBV? ... If so, Orange de Sangre is good out of the mailbox but does get better with age... tastes like fresh squeezed to me... I haven't tried English Malt Toffee...

 

[Jerms]

Jerms, try them right away. If I recall correctly little if any steeping is needed.

Cool, thanks I'll leave em sealed for now. Still have almost a dozen new juices to try before I did into them. They're suprisingly clear, based on the descriptions of Orange I was expecting to see some pulp floating in it.

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[billherbst]

I'm with Scarf. I haven't had Highbrow's English Malt Toffee, but I'm on my second bottle of Orange de Sangre. It's good to go right from delivery by the mailman and hasn't seemed to change any with steeping.

 

[Jerms]

First impressions: Legend from HHV

Aptly named, a juice loved by many and I can see why. I like it a lot, and it has put me in a happy vaping zone for the last few hours. The cherry isn't as strong as the scent suggest, but still noticable. The tobacco is mild and pleasing. Overall the juice has a full and rich flavor and has a silky smooth texture. Not overly compex, but not trying or needs to be. C'mon HHV, I know you keep your tobaccos a closely guarded secret, but this is an extracted Cherry Cavendish right?

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[rdsok]

According to what been posted by HHV... it doesn't actually have cherry even though many of us taste what appears to be just that... I was even directed to a post that they flat out said it didn't have it... if true ( and I have no reason to doubt it )... that means our minds are imagining it... I called it matroxing it. Like when we see an image in clouds that doesn't really exist.

Serendipity is also extracted from the same tobacco and people taste something different including cocoa or chocolate ( can't remember which was mentioned ) notes. They extracted it slower?? or longer?? from what I gathered.

BTW... I'm just passing on what I was told... I also get cherry myself.

 

[rdsok]

Ok... I wasn't sure I could find this post with the info about Gandalf ( Legend ) not having cherry in it... but I did, the info was passed on to me from Nick http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo.../274904-natural-tobaccos-174.html#post8888200

His post links to one made by Adam...

 

[VaporMizer]

Ok... I wasn't sure I could find this post with the info about Gandalf ( Legend ) not having cherry in it... but I did, the info was passed on to me from Nick http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo.../274904-natural-tobaccos-174.html#post8888200

His post links to one made by Adam...

Well, it says the flavor isn't added after extraction, but the tobacco is cased in flavor before extraction...so that does sound like a cherry Cavendish. A lot of times the casing flavors are even PG based artificial flavors just like the DIY guys use, but not always.

 

[Jerms]

Ok... I wasn't sure I could find this post with the info about Gandalf ( Legend ) not having cherry in it... but I did, the info was passed on to me from Nick http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo.../274904-natural-tobaccos-174.html#post8888200

His post links to one made by Adam...

That's interesting. I see he does admit admit that the tobaccos are cased with flavoring before the extract, which is how Cavendish is made. I knew he said no flavoring was added in addition to the extract, but didn't realize he admitted to using flavored tobacco. Kudos for at least saying that, but I would like to see on the site under the description what type flavor of Cavendish is being used. Just my preference, maybe the secret makes better business sense.

Legend fairly obviously contains a tobacco with either a cherry casing or a fruit that closely mimics cherry. Or possibly a blend of which cherry is a small part but it does come through well on the smell of the juice. I would wager that the tobacco used for Serendipity has a coffee casing, as there really isn't a flavor that mimics coffee smell. If indeed Seren and Legend are made using the same blend, maybe the coffee tobaccos in the blend tend to take longer to extract, which is why they would not be in Legend. If that's true I can see the coffee overtaking the cherry easily to make it unnoticable in Seren.

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[TheCatsPajamas]

Would be nice to know what is in them but I won't hold my breath. I do like Gandalf and Dipity. How does original Gandalf differ?


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[OnTheFidele]

Hey guys, the vanilla was already prominent in the fresh Vita Bella. Even more so after the 4 times I "boiling water steeped" this beauty. The thing I didn't expect (and LOVE, by the way) is the inherent spiciness of this ejuice. There's something Christmas-y about this blend; not the commercial wait-in-line-to-buy-a-toy Christmas, but a rocking-chair-in-front-of-the-roasting-chestnuts kind of holiday. There's something timeless about this flavor. I'm only in my mid-20s, but I feel wiser just vaping this juice! I just have to find a cabin in the wilderness now and wait for some disciples to come my way...

As for the Natural Perique, this one I'm babying. The hot water steeping technique has been working well for me so far, and I'm going to be steeping this one for at least 10-15 times before tackling it.

Once again, guys, thanks for your tips! I can't imagine vaping fruity candy flavors anymore. My Pink Spot Gummy Bear is starts a headache after one puff!

 

[Jerms]

That's interesting. I see he does admit admit that the tobaccos are cased with flavoring before the extract, which is how Cavendish is made. I knew he said no flavoring was added in addition to the extract, but didn't realize he admitted to using flavored tobacco.

Whoops, this statement of mine was incorrect. When I scanned that post RD linked I thinking it was a statement from HHV but it wasn't. So has HHV made a statement that they use tobaccos with casing? I have seen them state they don't add any flavor, but that doesn't tell the whole story.

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[Jerms]

Sweet Swish.. doesn't apply to this thread as it's not a NET, but briefly; tastes like taking a drink of Black Cherry Shasta after applying a lot of Cherry Chapstick. Not recommended; may work as a frankenjuice.

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[NoMoreTequila]

Jerms, I thought you've tried Apache, no? Apache takes the Latakia to Devil Dog land if that's what you want. I gave some thoughts on it a few days ago when we were all talking latak tabak. (<< haha, I like that) The more I vape it, the more it separates itself from DD, though. The major difference between the two is the Burley in DD and the Oriental in Apache. I'm really starting to be able to pinpoint that dry and spicy character of the Orientals.

If SoGent is mild on the Latakia, I think it's for the better, because the way that stuff can take over a blend is intense. A very delicate hand is needed. I was put off from SoGent from the beginning because of all the ingredients they threw in the pot - it seemed a bit excessive and uncalculated to me. Now I have a feeling that maybe they had to do all that in order to tame the Latakia.

Either way, I'm interested now. Might give it a shot.


Oh, and by the way - I got notification the the German silica is back in stock at RTD. Grabbed some, and looking forward to it.

A kind soul sent me a bit of that 3mm German Silica Wick. It's very cool! Grabbed me 10' of it.

 

[Thucydides]

According to what been posted by HHV... it doesn't actually have cherry even though many of us taste what appears to be just that... I was even directed to a post that they flat out said it didn't have it... if true ( and I have no reason to doubt it )... that means our minds are imagining it... I called it matroxing it. Like when we see an image in clouds that doesn't really exist.

Serendipity is also extracted from the same tobacco and people taste something different including cocoa or chocolate ( can't remember which was mentioned ) notes. They extracted it slower?? or longer?? from what I gathered.

BTW... I'm just passing on what I was told... I also get cherry myself.

Many aged, fermented, or cured natural products develop flavors and smells of other stuff. Compounds in the product break down, and the resulting chemicals can be identical or similar to the chemicals that give something else a specific flavor or smell. It can actually taste like cherry even if there's no cherry added, and it's not necessarily the case that you're imagining it.

 

[NoMoreTequila]

I'm sorry but, damm, did anyone really ever think that HHVs Gandalf or Serendipity were anything other than Flavor Cased Pipe Tobacco Extracts?
Actually, I'm sure that I shouldn't have made the question plural! Blow the vapor from both and I say that the "Room Notes" are indistinguishable!

 

[rdsok]

Well, it says the flavor isn't added after extraction, but the tobacco is cased in flavor before extraction...so that does sound like a cherry Cavendish. A lot of times the casing flavors are even PG based artificial flavors just like the DIY guys use, but not always.

Ok... I guess you didn't read the link on Nick's post which led to Adam's post about it... I didn't go direct to Adam's post because Nick covered other aspects about what has been said or speculated about Gandalf ( Legend )... Here is Adam's post quoted though...

To answer the banana question in the tobacco thread, there is no banana in Pirate's Booty.

Also, there is no cherry in Gandalf...

Also, there is no powered donuts in Shadowfax...

Hope the army has a great weekend! We love you guys and gals!!

Many aged, fermented, or cured natural products develop flavors and smells of other stuff. Compounds in the product break down, and the resulting chemicals can be identical or similar to the chemicals that give something else a specific flavor or smell. It can actually taste like cherry even if there's no cherry added, and it's not necessarily the case that you're imagining it.

I guess it may be just a matter of symantecs... but I will say that the same can hold true for flavors of vanilla, chocolate, coffee and other flavors that I just can't think of before I've had a full cup of coffee...

I'm sorry but, damm, did anyone really ever think that HHVs Gandalf or Serendipity were anything other than Flavor Cased Pipe Tobacco Extracts?
Actually, I'm sure that I shouldn't have made the question plural! Blow the vapor from both and I say that the "Room Notes" are indistinguishable!

I don't think there was any question of the tobacco's being cased with other flavors before extraction on many different NET's... We were just talking about which ones were in Gandalf ( Legend ) specifically the cherry notes which in this case don't come from an added cherry casing on the tobacco but something else that just makes it taste that way.... which is a pretty interesting subject IMO

 

[rdsok]

Whoops, this statement of mine was incorrect. When I scanned that post RD linked I thinking it was a statement from HHV but it wasn't. So has HHV made a statement that they use tobaccos with casing? I have seen them state they don't add any flavor, but that doesn't tell the whole story.

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Sorry... missed this one when I was quoting everyone...

I don't think I've seen a post on the forum where HHV themselves mentioned using tobacco cased with other flavors... But I believe it had come up in conversation behind the scenes when Mr.Mann had discussed it directly with Adam on the phone which was later posted here in this thread. The exact conversation wasn't quoted out of respect for HHV because it contained information that Mr.Mann felt was a little confidential...

So flavorings were not added after the fact in most cases... but that doesn't exclude them from using tobacco's that were cased with other flavors before the extraction.

 

[NoMoreTequila]

According to what been posted by HHV... it doesn't actually have cherry even though many of us taste what appears to be just that... I was even directed to a post that they flat out said it didn't have it... if true ( and I have no reason to doubt it )... that means our minds are imagining it... I called it matroxing it. Like when we see an image in clouds that doesn't really exist.

Serendipity is also extracted from the same tobacco and people taste something different including cocoa or chocolate ( can't remember which was mentioned ) notes. They extracted it slower?? or longer?? from what I gathered.

BTW... I'm just passing on what I was told... I also get cherry myself.

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