Natural Tobaccos

[RPadTV]

I've had all MoV NETs, but have only vaped a lot of three. Here's my brief experience on those:

Full Virginia Flake: This is a good NET RY4, but prefer GeJ GJ4. However, this one is sweeter, so if that's your preference then you'll love it. On a side note, I'm tempted to at menthol to this, simply because I love Janty Ludo's Blend and wonder what a NET version of Ludo's would be like.
Apache: This one is like Devil Dog! (Ahlusion) light. It's not as biting or intimidating as DD!, but still quite enjoyable.
Pendragon: This juice is the most polarizing of the three. The tobacco is good, but it depends on how much you like MoV's cherry and vanilla flavorings. A few people I know love this one to death and a few others can't stand it.

 

[Voltron]

I've had all MoV NETs, but have only vaped a lot of three. Here's my brief experience on those:

Full Virginia Flake: This is a good NET RY4, but prefer GeJ GJ4. However, this one is sweeter, so if that's your preference then you'll love it. On a side note, I'm tempted to at menthol to this, simply because I love Janty Ludo's Blend and wonder what a NET version of Ludo's would be like.
Apache: This one is like Devil Dog! (Ahlusion) light. It's not as biting or intimidating as DD!, but still quite enjoyable.
Pendragon: This juice is the most polarizing of the three. The tobacco is good, but it depends on how much you like MoV's cherry and vanilla flavorings. A few people I know love this one to death and a few others can't stand it.

I haven't liked any juice I've tried so far from MOV (TNO, CountRY4, Gold, Pendragon, and Sunday Morning). Having said that, the way you describe their Full Virginia Flake makes me wonder if I should have tried that one as well. I always wished GJ4 was sweeter and more carto/clearo friendly. Perhaps that is exactly what FVF is.

 

[RPadTV]

I always wished GJ4 was sweeter and more carto/clearo friendly. Perhaps that is exactly what FVF is.

FVF is definitely sweeter (to my tastebuds), but in my experience it's harsher on coils than GJ4.

 

[Voltron]

FVF is definitely sweeter (to my tastebuds), but in my experience it's harsher on coils than GJ4.

Thanks for the warning, dude. If it's harsher on coils that GJ4, then it could taste like heaven, and it still wouldn't interest me. Actually, I'm glad you cover that aspect of NETs in your reviews. The vast majority of reviewers completely ignore the issue.

 

[RPadTV]

Thanks for the warning, dude. If it's harsher on coils that GJ4, then it could taste like heaven, and it still wouldn't interest me. Actually, I'm glad you cover that aspect of NETs in your reviews. The vast majority of reviewers completely ignore the issue.

Always happy to help out, especially in this invaluable and fun thread.

And yes, since becoming a NETizen, the gunkability (technical term) of juices has become a big consideration. I think it's useful to mention in a review -- certainly more so than vaping on camera, which is unhelpful at best and misleading at worst. (And yes, I just received a, "Why don't you vape on camera?" email from a viewer/reader.)

 

[johni]

Ray, your reviews are concise, well done, and not pretentious, and you are a good guy most people can easily identify with. Any clown can blow clouds on camera! Keep up the good work!

 

[Frankenmizer]

I swear my NETCOM order went into a black hole - been "processing" since 8/23. I've had two orders from Ahlusion, a Kayfun Lite from the UK and one order from AiV since then

Woe is truly me

 

[Voltron]

Always happy to help out, especially in this invaluable and fun thread.

And yes, since becoming a NETizen, the gunkability (technical term) of juices has become a big consideration. I think it's useful to mention in a review -- certainly more so than vaping on camera, which is unhelpful at best and misleading at worst. (And yes, I just received a, "Why don't you vape on camera?" email from a viewer/reader.)

The only good reason I can think of for you to vape on camera, is for people to see the vapor production of a particular juice. If you wanna make everyone happy, maybe you could overlay some video of you vaping over your spoken words. That way you don't slow down your review, and people will have evidence that you actually vaped the juice, if that's what they question.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Always happy to help out, especially in this invaluable and fun thread.

And yes, since becoming a NETizen, the gunkability (technical term) of juices has become a big consideration. I think it's useful to mention in a review -- certainly more so than vaping on camera, which is unhelpful at best and misleading at worst. (And yes, I just received a, "Why don't you vape on camera?" email from a viewer/reader.)

I like that you mention the "misleading" part. I generally can't stand for someone talk about "how much vapor" a liquid produces. Uhhh, I think hardware is the biggest factor. Now, if we all vaped with the exact same hardware, then yes, it would be pertinent, but since set-ups are as variable as can be, it matters not.

 

[johni]

I swear my NETCOM order went into a black hole - been "processing" since 8/23. I've had two orders from Ahlusion, a Kayfun Lite from the UK and one order from AiV since then

Woe is truly me

Fret not. They have been a bit overwhelmed with orders and have hired some help. My guess is you'll get your order next week.

 

[RPadTV]

The only good reason I can think of for you to vape on camera, is for people to see the vapor production of a particular juice.

It shows the vapor production of the juice...if the viewer was using my exact setup (mod, wattage, etc.) and -- most importantly -- the viewer had the same lighting I had at that given time. The lighting issue is something many people (understandably) don't consider. While I film in a makeshift studio with more consistent conditions than most video reviewers, the lighting conditions can be different depending on the time of day. A teeny, teeny bit of sunlight leaking through the blinds can make a huge difference in how vapor looks. Now considering that many reviewers film on webcams under different lighting conditions, vaping on camera can be very misleading. Even something as simple as a reviewer wearing a dark shirt in one review and white shirt in another can make vapor look different, because most don't properly adjust white balance. Even my setup -- HD camera, two umbrella lights, LED fill -- isn't good enough to be considered "studio conditions" where vapor can be illustrated properly.

Just ranting.

 

[Frankenmizer]

Always happy to help out, especially in this invaluable and fun thread.

And yes, since becoming a NETizen, the gunkability (technical term) of juices has become a big consideration. I think it's useful to mention in a review -- certainly more so than vaping on camera, which is unhelpful at best and misleading at worst. (And yes, I just received a, "Why don't you vape on camera?" email from a viewer/reader.)

Among the reasons I like your reviews is because you don't vape on-camera.

 

[Mr.Mann]

It shows the vapor production of the juice...if the viewer was using my exact setup (mod, wattage, etc.) and -- most importantly -- the viewer had the same lighting I had at that given time. The lighting issue is something many people (understandably) don't consider. While I film in a makeshift studio with more consistent conditions than most video reviewers, the lighting conditions can be different depending on the time of day. A teeny, teeny bit of sunlight leaking through the blinds can make a huge difference in how vapor looks. Now considering that many reviewers film on webcams under different lighting conditions, vaping on camera can be very misleading. Even something as simple as a reviewer wearing a dark shirt in one review and white shirt in another can make vapor look different, because most don't properly adjust white balance. Even my setup -- HD camera, two umbrella lights, LED fill -- isn't good enough to be considered "studio conditions" where vapor can be illustrated properly.

Just ranting.

I guess it's all vapor and mirrors? LOL. Now, when we start talking about extreme vaping, then yes, of course showing the vapor production matters because, well, that's what extreme vaping is about (not about flavor). Essentially, the way you do your reviews is an animated version of the written word. When I read a review, I don't yearn to see the person vaping. I think some people may get the idea that this dude is just selling stuff and "I bet he doesn't even vape." Of course, people can and will think what they want. Let 'em.

 

[MFToms59]

Thanks for the warning, dude. If it's harsher on coils that GJ4, then it could taste like heaven, and it still wouldn't interest me. Actually, I'm glad you cover that aspect of NETs in your reviews. The vast majority of reviewers completely ignore the issue.

I've been vaping MOV full Virginia Flake in a T3 2.2oms @ 3.7-4Volts, put ~6ml through it and my coil is still burning fine.

I swear my NETCOM order went into a black hole - been "processing" since 8/23. I've had two orders from Ahlusion, a Kayfun Lite from the UK and one order from AiV since then

Woe is truly me

Shipping to Dimension V has been slowed down by Customs due to the increased "Chatter" on the internet being monitored by Big Gov.

 

[Frankenmizer]

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Shipping to Dimension V has been slowed down by Customs due to the increased "Chatter" on the internet being monitored by Big Gov.

I was just contacted by N-E-T on the sub-etha band. Shipping to Dimension V was impeded by a pair of recalcitrant Oscillation Overthrusters. Damn John Whorfin and the horse he rode in on.
Fine tuning was achieved by telling the President, "Yes on one and no on two."

As you can see from the photo below, the problem is resolved.

 

[Jerms]

I've had all MoV NETs, but have only vaped a lot of three. Here's my brief experience on those:

Full Virginia Flake: This is a good NET RY4, but prefer GeJ GJ4. However, this one is sweeter, so if that's your preference then you'll love it. On a side note, I'm tempted to at menthol to this, simply because I love Janty Ludo's Blend and wonder what a NET version of Ludo's would be like.
Apache: This one is like Devil Dog! (Ahlusion) light. It's not as biting or intimidating as DD!, but still quite enjoyable.
Pendragon: This juice is the most polarizing of the three. The tobacco is good, but it depends on how much you like MoV's cherry and vanilla flavorings. A few people I know love this one to death and a few others can't stand it.

Good summary (and yours too Johni). I'm not a FVF RY4 fan, but so many others like it I'd recommend as a must try from them. Apache is easy; if you like English pipe blends like Devil Dog and London it's a must try. Pendragon, like Ray says, is pretty polarizing. Some love it and some don't see what the fuss is about. I love it, the leafy tobacco bite combined with the fruit and vanilla nails it for me. N-E-T .com's Mango Vanilla pipe blend seems to hit it the same way for me, but with mango instead of cherry. I find them both very well balanced, some find them weak.

Hey Jack doesn't work for me. After that one and Maple Spirit, I wonder if I'm just not a fan of maple in vapes. I don't think I've had many, but I can't think of any I liked, and the maple in those two is definately the part that felt odd to me. I like maple with food, but that's how vapes are sometimes.

I have about 8ml of Hey Jack left at 18mg nic; pm me if anyone wants it. No trades, just a free offer, I have a serious PIF debt to balance out.

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[Jerms]

I like that you mention the "misleading" part. I generally can't stand for someone talk about "how much vapor" a liquid produces. Uhhh, I think hardware is the biggest factor. Now, if we all vaped with the exact same hardware, then yes, it would be pertinent, but since set-ups are as variable as can be, it matters not.

Amen. The way I look at, if you want to know the vapor production, look at the pg/vg ratio. Depending on your set-up, high vg will probably give a little more vapor than high pg, no matter what the juice tastes like. And given the right set up, lighting, and camera angle; I could make a mixture of pg and water look like an insane amount of vapor.

I still want Ray to vape on camera though. Just because he said he makes a goofy vape face (which let's be honest, most of us do).

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[AnthonyB]

So true Ray. If you vape in a pitch black room I bet you can't see the vapor at all.

It shows the vapor production of the juice...if the viewer was using my exact setup (mod, wattage, etc.) and -- most importantly -- the viewer had the same lighting I had at that given time. The lighting issue is something many people (understandably) don't consider. While I film in a makeshift studio with more consistent conditions than most video reviewers, the lighting conditions can be different depending on the time of day. A teeny, teeny bit of sunlight leaking through the blinds can make a huge difference in how vapor looks. Now considering that many reviewers film on webcams under different lighting conditions, vaping on camera can be very misleading. Even something as simple as a reviewer wearing a dark shirt in one review and white shirt in another can make vapor look different, because most don't properly adjust white balance. Even my setup -- HD camera, two umbrella lights, LED fill -- isn't good enough to be considered "studio conditions" where vapor can be illustrated properly.

Just ranting.

 

[AnthonyB]

One of the reasons I will like to see someone vape is for their reaction to the juice but this is more in terms of their reaction, favorable or otherwise, to the flavour, not to the vapor production. So I guess it is their expression verbal and non-verbal, right after they have taken a vape.

I guess it's all vapor and mirrors? LOL. Now, when we start talking about extreme vaping, then yes, of course showing the vapor production matters because, well, that's what extreme vaping is about (not about flavor). Essentially, the way you do your reviews is an animated version of the written word. When I read a review, I don't yearn to see the person vaping. I think some people may get the idea that this dude is just selling stuff and "I bet he doesn't even vape." Of course, people can and will think what they want. Let 'em.

 

[Frankenmizer]

So true Ray. If you vape in a pitch black room I bet you can't see the vapor at all.

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