Evil PG. Do they know whats in their flavors? We're not asking to give us their formulas. just a YES or a NO would be nice.
Sounds like you were asking for the recipe for coka cola and got the runaround
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Evil PG. Do they know whats in their flavors? We're not asking to give us their formulas. just a YES or a NO would be nice.
Sounds like you were asking for the recipe for coka cola and got the runaround
What percentage do you mix the Malt at TK? I should be getting mine Monday and I am really anxious to mix it up.
The person was the owner of the company, he started the company, he's a chemist. He said he was surprised when so many ecig liquid suppliers began ordering his flavorings .. which he makes and sells to health food stores primarily. He said neither he nor any of his employees know about vaping, they only know that nearly all of the elquid vendors buy huge amounts of the flavorings from NF. He never claimed to know anything about ecigs, in fact he kept repeating that during our phone call .. he said his flavorings are made from natural plants and that the eliquid makers buy his flavorings in huge quantities but the largest part of his business is to health food stores.
Well..... crap. I love the Kona mixes I've come up with, and have used the Kona Velvet Milkshake/Kona Caramel Milkshake from Virgin for months -- and am absolutely positive these use the same flavors. Of particular note -- I've been using these mixes daily for about 3 months now, with the only exception of the last week or so since this was brought up. My chest was getting progressively tighter -- which has now stopped and begun feeling normal again. Not good.
I emailed Virgin Vapor, cuz if this is what they're using for their Kona's and other flavors, they need to know. I wonder what other vendors are buying the same flavors and prepping them in premixes.
I emailed Virgin Vapor, cuz if this is what they're using for their Kona's and other flavors, they need to know. I wonder what other vendors are buying the same flavors and prepping them in premixes.
Depends on what you mix it with. I used my with Desert ship @2% and Malt 4%. You may have to adjust to your personal taste.
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On another thought, this is quite.. disturbing.
if a "vast number of eliquid vendors" buy from NF, and even NF doesn't know what does or does not contain unwanted chemicals in their vapes.. I'm not overly concerned b/c most of my vapes are fruity flavored. But if a buttery one becomes an ADV then I may be more concerned. Most vapers don't even know what diacetyl is let alone to ask about it.
If they like "super buttery butterscotch/cake batter/gooey butter ish goodness" vape and vape it everyday....
Just hope this doesn't become another reason for the FDA to do what its thinking of doing in April.
News flash at 11, "ecigs are bad for you. To prevent Mad Butter Lung disease, the FDA today proposed new strangling regulations on the "vaping" industry.."
if a "vast number of eliquid vendors" buy from NF, and even NF doesn't know what does or does not contain unwanted chemicals in their vapes.. I'm not overly concerned b/c most of my vapes are fruity flavored. But if a buttery one becomes an ADV then I may be more concerned. Most vapers don't even know what diacetyl is let alone to ask about it.
If they like "super buttery butterscotch/cake batter/gooey butter ish goodness" vape and vape it everyday....
Just hope this doesn't become another reason for the FDA to do what its thinking of doing in April.
News flash at 11, "ecigs are bad for you. To prevent Mad Butter Lung disease, the FDA today proposed new strangling regulations on the "vaping" industry.."
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My reading about the subject leaves me wary but not alarmed, tolerant but not welcoming, curious but not obsessively so about some of the other things in the various flavors I might be inhaling. If my lungs got heavy and and I'm cough more than usual then I'd be alarmed intolerant and obsessively avoiding anything that might do that kind of thing to me. Some people are o doubt more sensitive. I should be I suppose since I'm mildly asthmatic. In a way that's was my good fortune. I started quitting cigs at 21 and haven't really smoked all that much for a person whose life I'd for the most part behind them. I'm also wary of icky dark vapes or weird colors but The Mad Matador WTA is one of those that is just worth the icky ness. I would never buy a vape that used food coloring. I don't cereal that uses it. Depends. Most of it. Not smoking is a huge clean up act and it would very nice to keep it that way as much as possible.
I haven't been reading this lately but I did try a blend. Trying to make a caramel cappucino cheesecake. I did 3% caramel 5% kona cream and 2% Health Cabin Tiramisu....I'm real close out of the box. I've got the taste profie I wanted, maybe a little more caramel is needed.. This is fun.
Well, I have read back a few pages and it ain't so much fun now. I'm gonna use my flavors till they are done.Maybe we'll have more data on them or maybe I'll switch to something else. I guess we'll never get a measurement on the diacetyl. Concentrations in the study would be high, what are ours I wonder? I think low if scent is used as a guide.
Well, I have read back a few pages and it ain't so much fun now. I'm gonna use my flavors till they are done.Maybe we'll have more data on them or maybe I'll switch to something else. I guess we'll never get a measurement on the diacetyl. Concentrations in the study would be high, what are ours I wonder? I think low if scent is used as a guide.
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I'm very happy with DIY so far. It's not at all like I imagined it would be. I have a dozen different premades I could be vaping and every time I make a choice to load up I'm going for one of 3 DIYs! I'll be doctoring my other a little bit to bring up their appeal factor and I'm just glad I found some forgiving flavors to work with so Fay I have 40 flavors! All 3 to 10 ml small except caramel, Bavarian cream, key Lime, lime, coconut, lychee, malty and blackberry. I'm working on my very last DIY now. And still today my nose not work! That's the only problem with no record keeping and my nose does this frequently.
I was starting to like Kona Cream and Bavarian Cream a lot .oh well when it's gone I'll look for another source of these flavors. I Don't want to do business with this company unless they get their act together
That's what I'm trying to figure out. If there is trace amount, relatively significant amount, or none. The repercussions of using said ingredient are devastating, even when put into a smaller perspective (trace within a trace).
I wouldn't just write it off though. Inhaling diacetyl can cause serious damage to the lungs, as I'm sure you're aware. Not to pave the path of alarm or anything. We knew that cigarettes will inevitably cause cancer, but still, we smoked. But here we all are, vaping to reduce the harm of using nicotine.
Personally, I didn't quit smoking to avoid cancer only to gain bronchiolitis obliterans from inhaling butter
The problem is that many of the vendors are using these flavors (just smell the kona cream and caramel cream and you can match them up with vendors) and the latter will claim they don't use diacetyls.
I dont' think anyone is starting a diacetyl rage, I just think that as end-users, and customers, of both flavoring companies and vendors, that we have a right to KNOW what is in this stuff.......then we can each decide whether we want to vape it or not.
In the consumer world, "information" about the quality, quantity or properties of a product should be freely available. If it is not, then one must ask "why is it not being disclosed?"
If the answer is because they don't know, then I will purchase from a more knowledgeable vendor.
If the answer is because we don't want to tell you, then again, I will purchase from a more knowledgeable vendor.
I'm quite sure the % of diacetyls and acetoins are very tiny........does that matter? It might for some people, and they have a right to decide that for themselves, that's all.
I can't imagine anyone NOT agreeing with that part. We do all have a right to decide these things.
I am using them in my coffee. I can tell you that this stuff is WONDERFUL in coffee, or hot chocolate too.
So, it won't go to waste at my house.
seems to me their "ACT" was selling to health food type establishmentsso it is together,they have no reason to do anything than what they have been doing,Unless,and I may of missed it,they actually say on their site that items are OK for vaping ingredient wise...Im playing devils advocate,but if anyone needs to get their Act together it would be the ejuice vendors buying their flavorings and yet not labeling or posting that they buy flavors from this vendor..(shrug)
And in full disclosure I have ordered the malt and am playing around with it..Their CS was a bit lax,but I can over look that a couple of times,then its on to other vendors if need be.
And in full disclosure I have ordered the malt and am playing around with it..Their CS was a bit lax,but I can over look that a couple of times,then its on to other vendors if need be.
On another totally seperate note,I just added some crysanthemum flavor from TFA into a few mixes for testing..Im not sure if I want to throw up,or keep trying it until I pass out..WOW,thats a powerful flavor..
The owner did tell me he and his employees were surprised, a few yrs ago, about the number of orders they were getting from places that had vaping or vapors in their name .. so that is when they did some checking about the names of those companies and found out that those customers were making eliquid with their flavorings. They had never advertised or promoted their flavorings for eliquids and have never known how these companies even began using their flavorings in the first place.
Yea but now they have ecigarette flavor section on their website. Though when you click on it it doesnt take you anywhere. Looks like they may be trying that side of the market. If they do they need to disclose information such as this.
Wow glad I read this whole thread. I had loaded up a lot of the flavors in my cart and now think I may try 1 or 2 only. Word of mouth travels fast in the ecig community and they should be more open especially if they plan to jump in the market.
Danish separated on me real bad, big chunks of white stuff at bottom, when I shook it, they just dispesed from the bottom to being suspended in the entire mix.
What are ya'll using to sweeten up the fruity ones? Was hoping strawberry was sweet, but it's not
Danish - meh
Butterscotch - meh
Kona Cream - meh
Malt - A Hit !!!
Vanilla - meh
Bavarian Cream - pretty good but diacetyl thing keeping me away.
Caramel Cream - meh same as above
Not really liking these flavors and still experiencing that harshness in these flavors. Even after evaporating the alcohol.
Butterscotch - meh
Kona Cream - meh
Malt - A Hit !!!
Vanilla - meh
Bavarian Cream - pretty good but diacetyl thing keeping me away.
Caramel Cream - meh same as above
Not really liking these flavors and still experiencing that harshness in these flavors. Even after evaporating the alcohol.
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