Negative Reactions Mystify Electronic Cigarette Users

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NOTE: This is an article I am writing about ecigs. Please see this thread (and read all of my posts there) for more information and to participate: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/34420-i-want-interview-you.html

PLEASE REMEMBER THAT THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS AND NOT THE FINAL DRAFT!! AND IF YOU HAVE NOT PARTICIPATED IN THE THREAD AND CONTRIBUTED, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR YOUR CRITIQUE UNTIL YOU DO! :D

NOTE: I have asked that people who have not contributed to the story to not post or PM me their comments on the article. I do this because it doesn't HELP. Do you understand that to get a laundry list of why my article isn't good doesn't help me, without a good quote to make your point in the actual article it's a waste of breath and is very frustrating!! I get comments that I'm not covering all of the reasons or that I'm not answering the right questions. OK, well, then WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO SAY?? If you have an opinion that you would like expresssed, then give me your full name and city and a quote to use - don't just tell me I'm going about this all wrong. GET IT NOW???

Finally, this article is not meant to be a white paper about e-cigs. It is meant to be a feel-good article that expressed the everyday opinions, frustrations and feelings of ecig users, in light of public and government opposition. If you would like your feelings heard, then COONTRIBUTE TO THE ARTICLE, otherwise, don't armchair quarterback and tell me I'm doing it all wrong. Thank you.



Negative Reactions Mystify Electronic Cigarette Users
By Kristin Noll-Marsh

The booth at the state fair expo was black, with big, gold lettering exclaiming, "Electronic Cigarrettes - the smoking alternative!" As any tobacco smoker would, I expected to laugh at the silly concept and high price, but after dragging my husband over, it only took a minute for us both to realize that this was a revolutionary invention that we were seeing. And the price was right, as well!

The seller made it clear that it was not a device intended to STOP smoking - only a much safer and cheaper way to smoke. There is no scientific proof that they are safer, but it didn't take a degree in rocket science to see that the absence of smoke, tar and a few thousand other ingredients - including the 60-70 known carcinogens and poisons found in tobacco - made the flavored nicotine liquid seem tame by comparison. And the ability to reduce the nicotine levels from high, medium and low to liquid containing no nicotine at all was an appealing way to weaqn off nicotine altogether.

Of course, as soon as I got our new devices home, I had to log online and see what I could find out about them.

The first thing I found was a whole range of different devices and liquids available and not all devices are created equal. I also found that a whole subculture has quickly built up around the new phenomonium of "vaping," the term coined by electronic cigarette users instead of "smoking." The electronic cigarette is also known as a "personal vaporizer", as it produces a fine vapor instead of smoke. Tobacco cigarettes are jokingly called "analogs." "Vapers" often consider themselves "smoke-free" or "non-smokers" because they have broken away from actual "smoking" and most of the negative aspects of tobacco cigarettes.

"I feel free of cigarettes for the first time in my life," says James Solie., of Hudson, WI. James says his life has changed in so many ways since he has quit smoking. "I used to go to bed at night and could smell the smoke on myself, and it wasn't good. I don't miss that. I just feel better in every way imaginable. I breathe better, don't have that nasty congestion in the morning. My throat feels better. My sense of smell, thus taste is much better." James adds that his wife is happy that he has quit smoking, as well.

The perception of personal vaper users that they are no longer smoking is one that is difficult for non-smokers and smoke-free advocates to understand. Many have welcomed recent news of the FDA ban on certain electronic cigarette brands, due to safety concerns, and bans on their use in public spaces in municipalities in New York and Oregon. Vaporizer users fear the public has been falsly lead to believe that personal vaporizers aren't any different than tobacco cigarettes.

"Because vaping looks like smoking people immediately associate the two and come to a bad conclusion," says Scott Brower, of Santa Clarita, CA. Scott says he was not a cigarette smoker, but now enjoys nicotine-free electronic pipes and cigars. "They need to be educated to understand the fundamental differences."

On the FDA report, he says, "The announcement was rushed and omitted critical details. What should have been a scientific process and conclusion felt more political and reactionary. While I applaud their recognition of vaping and the need for testing, I also have to admonish their lack of care and due process. The FDA serves a critical role and I want them to take a very hard look at vaping. However, they must follow the scientific method to the letter if they are to fulfill their purpose. Given the potential significance of this to real tobacco users, and their fair and accurate treatment of this is literally life and death for millions."

Scott's response is typical of many vaporizer users - one of shock and disbelief at the knee-jerk public and governmental reaction. It's hard for them to see the logic in allowing the use of tobacco cigarettes, which are proven to contain dozens of poisons and carcinogens and create second-hand smoke to the vaporizers, which were found, in the FDA's own research, to only contain trace amounts of adverse ingredients. As Scott points out, those results were based on incomplete data collected from only a few samples - out of hundreds of different liquids and cartridges available on the market.

Dr. Michael Siegel is a professor at Boston University School of Public Health and a physician who specialized in preventive medicine and public health. On his blog, The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary he comments, "With the FDA now approving the sale and marketing of conventional cigarettes, it is absurd to think that the Agency would spend so much of its energy on an attempt to remove this much safer alternative from the market, while ignoring the very real threat posed by the cigarettes being smoked by 45 million American."

"While further testing of electronic cigarettes is certainly warranted, and while restrictions on the sales of these products to minors and the types of marketing claims that can be made are reasonable," he states, "it would be criminal to take these products off the market. Smokers who have found these products to be a life-saver, allowing them to stay off regular cigarettes, should be permitted to have the choice of continuing to use the product while more definitive studies are conducted."

Other physicians seem to agree with him.

Just a few days before she started using a personal vaporizer, Julie Williams of Manchester, TN had a blood pressure of 230/110 and her heart rate was elevated. "I was on medication but it wasn't working," she recalls. "Within a week of vaping and only smoking 2-3 cigarettes a day, all my numbers went down to normal ones. My primary care doctor and cardiologist both contribute the change to me stopping smoking and vaping (instead.) Both doctors are telling other patients about ecigs." She says she has also quit smoking tobacco cigarettes altogether. "Both my primary care physician and my cardiologist are behind me 100% in my vaping. I even vape in the exam rooms while we discuss my ongoing treatments."

Her doctors don't seem too concerned about "second-hand vapor," unlike a few legislators and anti-smoking groups across the country, such as Suffolk County, NY, which, sponsored by Majority Leader Jon Cooper (D-Lloyd Neck), bans e-cigarette use in public spaces.

"There is no substantial evidence that these devices do any harm to the user or bystanders around the user, argues Spike Babaian, of Long Island, NY. "Despite the plethora of evidence provided to the Suffolk County legislature, that shows evidence that these devices are no more harmful that consuming a hot dog, they have determined that the “stress, fear and confusion,” which the public could potentially feel due to the presence of the fog, was sufficient reason to force vapers to follow the Suffolk County smoking ordinance and utilize these devices only in areas where smoking is allowed."

"This restriction would push thousands of non-smoking Suffolk County residents who utilize nicotine vaporizers into smoking areas where they would be exposed to the second hand smoke and toxic chemicals that they quit smoking to avoid. This is a clear violation of the civil rights of non-smokers who wish to avoid the toxic chemicals given off by cigarette smoke. This law was passed based on public fear, rather than fact, and the total disregard for the safety of these former smokers is an unjustifiable disgrace. Suffolk County’s Health and Human Services Committee, which is supposed to protect the health of Suffolk County residents, has put “psychological discomfort” of the minority ahead of physical health and that is an unforgivable offense.." (NOTE: Spike's quote is pending her approval for use in the article.)

TO BE CONTINUED AS I GET MORE INTERVIEW QUOTES!!
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OK, so now that you can see the direction that this article is taking, maybe I can get some more help here?? :thumbs:
 
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I'll see if I can contribute to this. Unlike Scott, I was a 40 year smoker of 3 packs per day. I have been cigarette free for 4 months now. This is the forth real attempt to quit smoking. I am and will always be a nicotine addict. I don't think that the public, especially the non-smokers don't realize how difficult it is to quit smoking. With me, it's not a habit, it's an addition. Everytime I attempted to quit I had to deal with the emotion of failure. I had come to the conclusion that I would smoke forever and die with a smoking related illness.

In 2004 I had a heart blockage incident and went through a 5 line Heart Bypass. All I was able to do was stop smoking for about 3 months. Soon after I had several cases of pneumonia and was quickly developing COPD. I had resigned myself to the fact that I was making a personal choice to continue smoking. I was told I had a very good chance of dying within 10 years.

I discovered the e-cig in March of this year and saw a real potential for an alternative to the cigarette. I could get the nicotine I needed with out the smoke, tar, and host of other chemicals. All I had to deal with are the effects of nicotine exposure.

I gradually began to back off from the cigarettes and by May 1st I was cigarette free completely. All the symptoms of lung illness and many other factors have completely dissappeared. I have been doing all this with the cooperation of my family doctor. Even if the e-cig was twice as dangerous as the FDA claims it is the benefits out weigh the risks.

I really don't understand the public perception of the e-cig. I expected that there would be a relief because the number of lives this e-cig will save. I guess only smokers can appreciate the wonderful transformation the e-cig provides.

Kevin
 
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Great article!

I'm also completely baffled by the turn the whole PV issue has taken with the non-smoking community.

I had thought they would completely embrace something that would take away everything they hate about smokers....the smell, the second-had smoke, the fire hazzards, the litter, the hundreds of thousands of dollars in healthcare spent every year on tobacco related illnesses...I just don't get that!
 

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Great article!

I'm also completely baffled by the turn the whole PV issue has taken with the non-smoking community.

I had thought they would completely embrace something that would take away everything they hate about smokers....the smell, the second-had smoke, the fire hazzards, the litter, the hundreds of thousands of dollars in healthcare spent every year on tobacco related illnesses...I just don't get that!

I think it's because it takes away the most important thing to non-smokers...their sense of superiority. If most smokers quit and start using e-cigs and the use of them is accepted, who will non-smokers use to make themselves feel better about themselves. I know this is a cynical view, but nothing else really explains it. I understand the govt having a problem with it, they're losing tax money. I understand ASH and other stop smoking organizations being against it, because without smokers their grant money dries up (without smokers there is no need for anti-smoking groups). I don't understand normal everyday people who would rather see folks suffer from smoking related illnesses than see them use something that will help them.
 

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Thanks guys, but I still need help with quotes - the questionaire format just isn't getting me the interview style answers I need. Please check the thread again for an update.

I would also be willing to quote a distributor about the contents of liquid vs. cigarettes and the reaction of their customers to troubles with PayPal, customs, etc. but I won't use their web site or company name - only their name as a vendor.
 

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I don't understand normal everyday people who would rather see folks suffer from smoking related illnesses than see them use something that will help them.

It's because it's something they don't understand and the media, thus far, has only portrayed it as being the same thing as smoking, only electric. That is goofy and stupid to most non-smokers (as it should be, if it were actually true.)

This is EXACTLY why I am writing this article!
 

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It's because it's something they don't understand and the media, thus far, has only portrayed it as being the same thing as smoking, only electric. That is goofy and stupid to most non-smokers (as it should be, if it were actually true.)

This is EXACTLY why I am writing this article!

How true, if people do not bother to take the time to actually think about it they will 'believe' the first thing they are told. We need to get people to 'think'.
 

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"The ingredients in our US and Imported eLiquids are listed on our bottles and the list consists of 8 ingredients. Cigarette manufactures simply don't have enough room to list everything in their products on the box."

"We encourage our customers to read information from both sides pertaining to the ecig so as responsible adult smokers, they can make an informed decision as to whether a personal vaporizer is the right alternative. Once they educate themselves, they call in sheer horror as to what is happening. Consumers main concerns are that their right to choose is being eliminated and that the information being disseminated to the public by those against this product, is simply misleading."

Joanna Watt, US Supplier and Consumer

EDIT: No hard feelings if you can't/don't use it... but thought I would throw it into your bag of tricks for you :)
 
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I can proudly say that I am an ex smoker. I smoked for over 30 years at about a pack and a half a day full flavor. None of that lite stuff for me.

I have to say that I have tried many ways of quitting. Hypnosis, Gum, and the Patch to name some. NONE of those worked for me. I think my biggest downfall was that even though I knew smoking was bad for me and could even kill me I still enjoyed the ACT of smoking. Yes, I did enjoy it.

Now with the e-cig I was able to lay down cigs the very first day. I have now been cig free for over 170 days. I will not Lie and say that there was nothing to it and that it was a total breeze. But it was nothing that I could not handle. I attribute the success to a combination of the hand to mouth, seeing the vapor and the LED, the inhaling and exhaling, and so on. In other words the psychological ques in as well as the physical doing.

The protesters do mystify me. Do they not want me to feel better? To late I already do. I am no longer hacking up a storm in the middle of the night and upon waking. I can take deeper breaths and be more active. Oddly I have for years had clogged sinuses and eaten sinus pills like candy. My doc says that I suffer from acute sinusitis. Holy smokes that is lifting. I can now fall a sleep at night with out the vapor rub! No that sis not happen right away. It changed so slowly and subtly that it was my wife that pointed it out. "What? No Mr. Vicks tonight?" LOL!

I know all that is wordy and looks more like a testimonial than following a questioner format. But I just wanted to point a few things out such as how ecigs address not only the physical needs but also the psychological needs.
 
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I'll try again.

I have been very dissappointed in the public reaction to my e-cig. I thought they would be very glad that I had chosen this method and was no longer smoking. I do not openly vape at work or in public places that are normally banner for cigarettes. I do vape in my office but I do it covertly.

My 2 best friends are taking the stance that many in the public take. They assume that the vapor I exhale is full of nicotine and that I am exposing everyone around me to nicotine vapor. So, I don't openly vape like I thought I would be able to. Perception is our worst enemy right now. We need more facts in order to correct this.

I hope this helps.

Kevin
 

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I hate to be a naysayer but...vapor does contain some of the characteristics of regular smoking via the FDA report. When researchers simulated vaping at appropriate temperatures and caught the in a chamber there were levels of nicotine and TSNs. If one looks at table 2 of the FDA report there are high levels of nicotine in high nicotine cartridges. Of course this table represents what is inhaled...it is easy to estimate what would be exhaled. Using oxygen as a model we inhale about 21% and exhale about 15%. The variable that needs to be assessed is length of time the vapor is held in lungs which could range from seconds to a minute. That might cut down on expiration percentages but not reduce it to zero.:)

While many think that vapor from our e-cigs is harmless and constitutes water the construct is simply untrue. Every time we breath out our bodies rid itself of toxins and carbons...it follows that what was not absorbed by our lung tissue is exhaled. There are no studies on the e-cig that demonstrates that all chemicals inhaled were fully absorbed,... therefore the likelihood we exhale some traces would appear to be obvious.

It would be more sound scientifically to state the exhalations from an e-cig are inert..or not chemically active in my opinion. :D I must add that I don't believe the harm inherent in exhaling cigarette smoke, much less for vaping, but what I believe and know from studies have nothing to do with propaganda fed to the populace.;)

There appears to be a call for facts and I have supplied some as per request though they may not follow popular e-cig contentions...these are the facts we have to refute. :)

http://mistupid.com/chemistry/aircomp.htm
 
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