New Atomizer Prototype

[moktarino]

There! I've hit 15.

That's an 801 ceramic cup, btw. Also, that particular coil has too many turns in it. I've worked with it and found 5-7 turns to be the best.

 

[moktarino]

Hey guys, Eric the neon bender gave me some examples of wire with almost no resistance crimped in glass. He cooled them in a pan of stuff that looked like kitty litter. He said slow cooling was the key to avoid breakage.

I haven't had a problem with breakage, the relatively tiny amount of glass I've been using cools just fine in the air.

I should have the materials for my experiment next week, Eric supplied me with the glass chambers, the rest will be mechanical build...

Let us know how it goes!

 

[Ashhead]

I haven't had a problem with breakage, the relatively tiny amount of glass I've been using cools just fine in the air.



Let us know how it goes!

Eric was working on a tube about the size of an 801, he "crimped" two wires in one end of the tube. When he didn't cool the tube slowly, he noticed hairline cracks in the crimped area.
Roadkill was originally interested in this for his "lightbulb" type element.
I proceeded to try to help him out with a neon bender(Eric) to expidite his ideas. I realize the scale is too big, but it seemed like a good starting point.
I think he has already progressed past this.

Your element looks like a great start! I think the attachment point to the leads needs to be encapsulated in glass as well. The contact point (Weld/solder) and exposed nichrome seem to be the weak points for more durable heating elements.
A more efficient juice delivery system will be the next hurdle.

 

[Ashhead]

Cannot upload pics?????? Saying "upload failed"

 

[roadkilldeluxe]

Try using TinyPic - Free Image Hosting, Photo Sharing & Video Hosting ?

 

[Ashhead]

Ok trying tinypic:

http://i38.tinypic.com/vytc0y.jpg

 

[Ashhead]

OK, got it, two more...

Stock electrodes

 

[roadkilldeluxe]

Roadkill was originally interested in this for his "lightbulb" type element.
I proceeded to try to help him out with a neon bender(Eric) to expidite his ideas. I realize the scale is too big, but it seemed like a good starting point.
I think he has already progressed past this.

Sorry I lost some interest in that design, it's a bit hectic around here right now and they take so much time to build! I appreciate your efforts and I hope you can make it work It looks like you are making good progress with the electrodes! I am still coming up with plans on other uses for them...

For now, though, I'm playing with Moktarino's design because it's pretty simple. I made (and broke) one in less than 10 minutes before I had to leave for class:

It was built hastily and it was my first so it didn't last long (I dripped water onto it when it was really dry/hot).

I made another one a few minutes ago:

2" of 36ga NiCr60 is approx. 4.5 Ohms. Seems to work pretty well but I haven't really performed any tests on it yet.

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And for reference:

 

[crip]

how did you encase the coil like that,, is that hollow inside and just glassed on the ends??/

Id like to know how many heat cool cycles you get b4 it cracks.. looks really good but looks like the wire is glowing in the glass connection..

 

[Ashhead]

Wow Roadkill, that looks great... I like the concept as well, might try it for my design.
Could you crimp leads on b4 you encase in glass? That way nichrome is not exposed to air or damage and the glass will hold the connection point.

 

[jacko]

Really good progress Roadkill. I agree it would be nice to get some life testing done, but this has been a great stride in the right direction... keep up the good work.

 

[moktarino]

Wow, that is a lot of turns. Although I guess if you're using 36ga you'd have to use more than the 6 or so I've been using. Notice how the glass melts every time it gets hot, that should serve to fix any cracks that could develop.

It could also serve to embed any gunky stuff into the glass itself, but time will tell. When the element is "wet" it may not get hot enough to soften the glass, though.

 

[Jason365]

Have either of you 2 guys moktarino or roadkill. Made the glass enclosure small enough to fit in one of the ceramic cups from old atty's? Or are you guys going to wrap it am make a hybrid cartomizer form these. Great progress though.. great finds on the glass pyrex tubing and stuffing the coil in there. I need to get some of those tubes asap, and try myself.

Jason

 

[roadkilldeluxe]

how did you encase the coil like that,, is that hollow inside and just glassed on the ends??/

Id like to know how many heat cool cycles you get b4 it cracks.. looks really good but looks like the wire is glowing in the glass connection..

Just copying Moktarino's process: make a coil, slide a short length of borosilicate capillary tube onto it, and hold a butane lighter to it. The glass melts pretty fast and both ends close up. It also ends up hugging the coil itself pretty tightly (I probably overdid it a little bit with my 2nd one).

I'm not sure if there's any air in there. I suppose I could try snapping it in half to see if there is a cavity in there. I will have to experiment with heat cycling.

Wow Roadkill, that looks great... I like the concept as well, might try it for my design.
Could you crimp leads on b4 you encase in glass? That way nichrome is not exposed to air or damage and the glass will hold the connection point.

Moktarino has tried to put copper leads in the glass but (we discussed this in the thread a bit back) the copper expands quite a bit more than the Nichrome and cracks the glass. I'm hoping I can weld thinner copper leads to it. But maybe we could try other metals for the leads, it would be great to not have to solder anything!

Really good progress Roadkill. I agree it would be nice to get some life testing done, but this has been a great stride in the right direction... keep up the good work.

Thanks, will try to test some more tonight!

Wow, that is a lot of turns. Although I guess if you're using 36ga you'd have to use more than the 6 or so I've been using. Notice how the glass melts every time it gets hot, that should serve to fix any cracks that could develop.

It could also serve to embed any gunky stuff into the glass itself, but time will tell. When the element is "wet" it may not get hot enough to soften the glass, though.

Yeah, I'm trying to get my hands on 38 and 40ga. 36ga might be stronger but I feel like since it's coated in glass we can get away with using smaller wire more efficiently (less power and space used).

When it's wet hopefully it doesn't go above 260 deg C. But maybe dry-burning (under a higher voltage too?) will be a good method of "repair" or "maintenance" for these coils!

Have either of you 2 guys moktarino or roadkill. Made the glass enclosure small enough to fit in one of the ceramic cups from old atty's? Or are you guys going to wrap it am make a hybrid cartomizer form these. Great progress though.. great finds on the glass pyrex tubing and stuffing the coil in there. I need to get some of those tubes asap, and try myself.

Jason

Moktarino I believe has tried his in an 801(?). I have no dead atty's to experiment on .. but I was planning on trying to develop a new fully-reusable cartomizer anyway (not that I have any cartos to experiment on either, haha). Credit for the design goes to Moktarino, he found the cap tubes and melted 'em right up. I had similar ideas but never thought to try the "bulb atomizer" on such a small scale. As it turns out, it works better and is much simpler/easier to build... so thanks Moktarino!

 

[roadkilldeluxe]

I couldn't resist using the dry-drip test and broke the second one too. Planning on using less glass, and ordering some smaller gauge wire (less turns and less expansion).

crip, the inside is hollow. I can't tell how much the glass tube shrinks around the main part though.

Autopsy:

(I pulled the two halves apart, there is no glass missing here)

 

[Ashhead]

Is anyone still working on heating elements???
Anything new to report?

 

[jxmiller]

I actually went a small distance with this pyrex type atty idea at home... I have since stopped completely. I am not suggesting you guys quit by any means but I am finding that simple is better. I have since gone over to the German forums, they have a home made swappable atomizer thread there that looks like it has great promise. You have to sign up to the forums to see the threads, and Google translator works perfect for reading and sending messages across to the board.

Here is that link. Perhaps if anything it will give some good ideas on how to merge the pyrex atty with their ideas to make it swappable. That thread is the best I have seen as far as DIY atomizers go.

 

[roadkilldeluxe]

Is anyone still working on heating elements???
Anything new to report?

Been really busy with school, but I ordered some smaller Nichrome (smallest I have is 36 and I think it's too big) and someone from another forum is kindly sending me some dead 510 atomizers. I also need to buy some butane.

Hopefully I'll have more updates soon

germans

Interesting. That is pretty much what my other idea was. I'll have to translate it later, I need to know what material they're using for the wick! Thanks for the links!

 

[jxmiller]

Interesting. That is pretty much what my other idea was. I'll have to translate it later, I need to know what material they're using for the wick! Thanks for the links!

Here is another LINK. The thread with the atomizer utilizes information found in this link. They went through a lot of testing and have tons of information on wicks. I think most of what you see in that home made atomizer thread uses a material they call Kynol. They also use a different material than nichrome, they use Kanthal.

In their own words:

Kanthal wire was used as 0.16 mm, which was twice taken, and Twisted. The resistance is about 3.3 ohms and generates an insanity vapor. The fibers are of course the new slightly larger fibers from Bulli.

I am not sure what "Bulli" is you might want to go there and read through the thread to find out results and changes to the wicking material.

 

[Kelemvor]

Bulli is one of the modders, the text you quoted was a quick test, but not a success.
if you read more in the thread. it was only a try to see what happens with thicker coil, without buying it.