New Atomizer Prototype

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Glass, ceramic, they are all capable of shattering. Look at the beating some glass watches take, and how often to they break into tiny little pieces ("dust")? Their (exposed) glass might be slightly thicker, if at all, and they are waved around hours on end every day at the end of your arms. An ecig stays in your pocket or in a protective case, close to your body typically.
 

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Glass, ceramic, they are all capable of shattering. Look at the beating some glass watches take, and how often to they break into tiny little pieces ("dust")? Their (exposed) glass might be slightly thicker, if at all, and they are waved around hours on end every day at the end of your arms. An ecig stays in your pocket or in a protective case, close to your body typically.

Often. I've broken plenty of watch crystals. You don't see the tiny (dust) pieces that break off since they just fall away. I'm not saying the glass has to be pulverized, all it has to do is take a bump and break for you to get small shards and dust in your next inhale.

Whatever. If you guys feel comfortable with it, go right ahead. I just see no reason to bother adding a risk factor to the device to save $8 a month on a new atty. It's good that you guys are trying new stuff either way.
 
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I don't know how this could help, but this device works with one battery and instantly heats up herbal material. I don't know how it works but maybe this technology could be used to create a new type of atomizer, maybe even that device can handle e-liquid and maybe it can be easily cleaned; The design is kind of ugly (IMO) but the concept really intrigued me, I don't have a clue of how one battery can heat up so quickly herbal material.

YouTube - Launch Box Vaporizer in action
 

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I don't know how this could help, but this device works with one battery and instantly heats up herbal material. I don't know how it works but maybe this technology could be used to create a new type of atomizer, maybe even that device can handle e-liquid and maybe it can be easily cleaned; The design is kind of ugly (IMO) but the concept really intrigued me, I don't have a clue of how one battery can heat up so quickly herbal material.

YouTube - Launch Box Vaporizer in action

Well, it looks like that's combusting the herbal material in that device. Maybe not all the way, but at least a little. You shouldn't be able to see vapor from herbs that well--especially on camera. Probably a heating element not unlike the coils in an e-cig, but a bit bigger. Or it could be a ceramic heating element too, as many vaporizers use them. Just a guess, since I haven't looked into that device. Either way, the plant material doesn't come in contact with the element. Herbal vaporizer design is generally quite different from e-cig stuff.
 

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They have some more videos on their web page just google for "Launch Box vaporizer", the important part of the device is the way they are using one single battery to generate a lot of heat, looks weird the way they insert only the positive pole of the battery, if there is metal in the heating chamber then it maybe could be easily cleaned and that is the purpose of this discussion, a way to make a no disposable easy to clean atomizer.

Another concept is the ploom: PLOOM , a small herbal vaporizer that uses butane and capsules containing tobacco, PG and VG those devices maybe can be used to put e-liquid in them, also, due to this devices are multipurpose there is no way that anybody could ban them from the market, no drug/device combo at all, new technology is arriving and maybe we could take advantage of this new technology.
 

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I drew up a design I was thinking about...
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What do you guys think?
 

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I like it that looks really good and even more important looks easy to make and functional..

I think we could actually pop a hole in the back of the glass and run 1 wire right thru the glass out with the fibers,,

that way you could pop a rubber plug out with contact for one side of a battery and juice stopper fill spot. all in one. .. and the case could be the ground for the other connection to the coil right by the coil.. like a spring tab idea..
 
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I drew up a design I was thinking about...
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What do you guys think?

Interesting idea. I like how the nicrome wick is in direct contact with the reservoir. The glass is still going to be a concern for some people but you could use many different types of material for the reservoir I would think like metal with ceramic cap so you could remove and replace the atomizer. 8ml is a lot of liquid I think most people would be happy with 2ml to 3ml. It wouldn't need to slide out if you made a hole & plug on the side and the cap removed the section covering the plug.
 

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Only downside I can forsee is how hot the end will get where your mouth contacts the atomizer.
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I think it probably would get hot. Since that air space is not really needed an insulating material could be positioned around that casing.

Dang, I would really like to see someone attempt this.
 

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Here are my thoughts, please bear in mind I reserve the right to be wrong and I don't pretend for a minute to know everything, but I do like to ponder.

pyrex glass would be a nice way to go for a glass atty. It can withstand stupid high temperatures and is very hard to break. Most pyrex you can throw at a hard surface and it will bounce. Pyrex is borosilicate glass which is also made extensively in France. Corning.com has all sorts of pyrex labware which might be used for an atty, maybe a tiny test tube or other component.

In addition, here's a link to a NIST page regarding the thermal conductibity of liquids and gasses. alchohol may very well be a better conductor of heat than air (so would Diethylene Glycol or amonia for that matter). If considering a liquid filled bulb/atty, there is also the potential for galvanic response of the liquid which needs to be considered, ie will the nicrome wire corrode/react (which is why water might not be the best choice, but it might be!) here's another link to fluid thermal conductivity.

Glass itself whether liquid or gas filled wll probably stay hot long after it gets hot. Carbon Fiber might work better, to quote wikipedia "heat-treated mesophase-pitch-derived carbon fibers have high Young's modulus and high thermal conductivity.". A sphere has the least surface area, so a round CF ball packed with a nichrome coil might heat then cool very quickly and would avoid metal to liquid contact. Plus CF almost never wears out - have you ever seen CF brake rotors glowing cherry red on a Formula1 car...

Alright, back to work for me... I think an atomizer breakthrough would have the greatest possible impact on ecigs as we know them.
 

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I think we could actually pop a hole in the back of the glass and run 1 wire right thru the glass out with the fibers,,

that way you could pop a rubber plug out with contact for one side of a battery and juice stopper fill spot. all in one. .. and the case could be the ground for the other connection to the coil right by the coil.. like a spring tab idea..

It would be nice to send one wire through the glass itself. Or even both, and make the back end of the glass container look like an AC Plug, so it can just slide in and slide out for replacing...

Interesting idea. I like how the nicrome wick is in direct contact with the reservoir. The glass is still going to be a concern for some people but you could use many different types of material for the reservoir I would think like metal with ceramic cap so you could remove and replace the atomizer. 8ml is a lot of liquid I think most people would be happy with 2ml to 3ml. It wouldn't need to slide out if you made a hole & plug on the side and the cap removed the section covering the plug.

Metal and ceramic should work just fine too. I'm really diggin' glass because of its low reactivity. With metals and plastics you have to worry about chemicals leeching in. But if it works, I'll throw the glass atomizer around and see what kind of abuse it can take before breaking/shattering :D . 8ml is a lot of liquid, but that's my calculation from this drawing, scaled up to a 510's thickness (~9-10mm). 1ml is enough for me, really, so this should allow us either high capacity or a much shorter ecig.

Only downside I can forsee is how hot the end will get where your mouth contacts the atomizer.
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This could be an issue. I put it next to the mouth hoping for warmer vapor. Not sure if that's a good idea or not; luckily, this design could be easily adapted for the opposite orientation.

I think it probably would get hot. Since that air space is not really needed an insulating material could be positioned around that casing.

I'm not sure if I'm just a real lightweight when it comes to vaping, but I've never gotten the outside of the atomizer to be more than slightly warm, even after a long pull. But as I said in my reply to Dan's comment, the bottle/container could be easily flipped around.

In addition, here's a link to a NIST page regarding the thermal conductibity of liquids and gasses. alchohol may very well be a better conductor of heat than air (so would Diethylene Glycol or amonia for that matter). If considering a liquid filled bulb/atty, there is also the potential for galvanic response of the liquid which needs to be considered, ie will the nicrome wire corrode/react (which is why water might not be the best choice, but it might be!) here's another link to fluid thermal conductivity.

Glass itself whether liquid or gas filled wll probably stay hot long after it gets hot. Carbon Fiber might work better, to quote wikipedia "heat-treated mesophase-pitch-derived carbon fibers have high Young's modulus and high thermal conductivity.". A sphere has the least surface area, so a round CF ball packed with a nichrome coil might heat then cool very quickly and would avoid metal to liquid contact. Plus CF almost never wears out - have you ever seen CF brake rotors glowing cherry red on a Formula1 car..

Thanks for this post. Some great ideas in here. The glass, at least the kind I used in my last working prototype, does stay pretty hot. I was thinking of perhaps trying out that last concept image I posted with a carbon fiber wick (although it takes us back to traditional coil-on-wick attys).

This Nichrome coil sphere is something I had been thinking of, but how would one go about doing that, especially without letting the Nichrome short itself out?

Could u elaborate on that moktarino?/ any pics whats the setup look like..

It looks like a regular Nichrome coil except it has a very small amount of glass sealing the entire coil. It's comparable to my original "bulb" concept in a way, but his is way better, smaller, and more efficient ;)
 
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