New Batteries coming soon - ProVari Power 2500

[Vaporologist]

Thanks Vaporologist! I bet that's what it is... Now just to get home and try it out

Sent from my annoyingly small phone screen....

I know that the thought of having to part with your ProVari for a few days is not a happy one. I really hope the solution is as easy for you as it was for me, and many others...

Keep us posted please...

 

[SmaBob]

Got mine today
Bob

 

[Dan Patrick]

Had mine for about a week. I only use mine at night, and I think I have changed the batteries once. Running at least 3 nights. I ran them both for a couple of hours the first night I got them and put a charge on them. Seems that they could last forever. I have one IMR AW 18650 and another 18500 on the way for "shorty mod" now I am worried they won't get used. I guess I should just keep them as back up and options. How long will these AW batteries store. They might sit up for a long time, espeically the 18650 because taking off that ring is a pain. I think an extended flatter end cap for the new batteries is in order! Chrome on the bottom please!

 

[snoopyjkbx]

lemme know what they say! i'd be curious too as to their response.

Thanks!

Just checkin' back in for an update....

So I switched to the old 18650 AW IMR's w/new spring and early warnings continued (3.9 & 3.8) respectively. The problem also continues with the ProVari Power batts. While I can reset by removing the battery briefly, it's pretty annoying.

So unless anyone has some ideas what the problem could be, I guess I'll contact ProVape... I'm sure it'll work out, I just don't want to be without my favorite PV for any amount of time I guess I really do need a backup 8-o - hopefully they won't need it because it was stupid user error!

 

[leathermonkey7]

Just got 4 of the new provari power 2500's and a Pila charger in the mail. I would get 12 hrs off an AW IMR 18650 using a 2.2 ohm 510 at 4.3v. I wonder how long my run time will be with this new battery, a 3.5ohm 510, running at 5.3 v? I'll report back.
anybody have a guess?

 

[Nicblazer]

Just got 4 of the new provari power 2500's and a Pila charger in the mail. I would get 12 hrs off an AW IMR 18650 using a 2.2 ohm 510 at 4.3v. I wonder how long my run time will be with this new battery, a 3.5ohm 510, running at 5.3 v? I'll report back.
anybody have a guess?

Leather, I'm willing to bet that you gonna get at LEAST a day and half. I'm vaping pretty close to your config. and I'm getting exactly that. It's unreal. I use an average of about 8mls of juice within that time period.


P.S.- Nice avatar. I miss paintballing :-(

 

[KTaylor]

OMG....I'm gonna have to break down and buy a couple of these!!! LOL

 

[mwa102464]

Just got 4 of the new provari power 2500's and a Pila charger in the mail. I would get 12 hrs off an AW IMR 18650 using a 2.2 ohm 510 at 4.3v. I wonder how long my run time will be with this new battery, a 3.5ohm 510, running at 5.3 v? I'll report back.
anybody have a guess?

One full day/night maybe, I run an Iken 3.5ohm 510 with mine @ 5.7-5.8V and that's about what I seem to get, maybe a tad less then what you are, which is just about double what I use to get using the IMR. I actually got less then 12hrs like you do, I got more like 8 full hrs out of the AW IMR and now it seems I can run all day/night with the newer Batt. Remember it takes a few charges to break in this Batt too so dont go off of your first run time.

 

[ukeman]

some interesting data shows protected batts (of the good quality brand) will give better performance than their touted IMR's regarding max amp draw.
What i'm saying is these Provari Power are high in quality and protected - the trend says a better performance with the protected than the IMR.
As we know in the beginning of this thread, use time is not the only factor. With these, we are getting time and performance.

 

[leathermonkey7]

Thx for the responses!! I vape heavy during the 12 hr work days, and hate having to think twice about my battery if I decide to go out at night after. Sounds like this will be perfect! Just fog it up at a higher voltage all the time with no worries and switch the battery out in the morning. Kinda makes me laugh at the not so distant days of pcc cases and cabinets full of toasted 510 pen style batteries..

 

[jimho]

some interesting data shows protected batts (of the good quality brand) will give better performance than their touted IMR's regarding max amp draw.
What i'm saying is these Provari Power are high in quality and protected - the trend says a better performance with the protected than the IMR.
As we know in the beginning of this thread, use time is not the only factor. With these, we are getting time and performance.

How are you defining performance? I agree 100% with better run time, but there is a safety factor when using IMRs (IMRs being inherintly safer) that you can't dismiss.

 

[jimho]

Update- still averaging 7-8ml of juice per battery with the new 2500's compared to around 4ml with the IMRs.

 

[ukeman]

the safety issue doesn't scare me as P stands for protected no?, and with the PV's we have that are vented... it used to be the IMRs that were spooky til you showed us the chemistry was safe.
Go the the AW superT thread and see that IMR performs (higher draw ability) initially but only slightly better, then levels to Protected AW level then drops out well before the P batts sustain much longer.... layman talk. Please check it out and get back to us.

How are you defining performance? I agree 100% with better run time, but there is a safety factor when using IMRs (IMRs being inherintly safer) that you can't dismiss.

 

[jimho]

the safety issue doesn't scare me as P stands for protected no?, and with the PV's we have that are vented... it used to be the IMRs that were spooky til you showed us the chemistry was safe.
Go the the AW superT thread and see that IMR performs (higher draw ability) initially but only slightly better, then levels to Protected AW level then drops out well before the P batts sustain much longer.... layman talk. Please check it out and get back to us.

not exactly- the IMR's stay above 3.6v for a majority of the cycle before dropping off rapidly. So they require less boost over the course of thier cycle as a percentage of time. The Protected batteries happen to cross over the IMR curve at 3.6V but continue to slope down so a good part of the power they provide is at lower voltage requiring more boost. Better performing depends on what you mean by that- remember you're comparing 1600mAh to 2500mAh. The 1600mAh battery runs through about 80% of its cycle above 3.6V- the 2600AW runs through about 50%- so while the 2600mAh Protected battery runs longer before dropping off quickly, the IMR 1600mAh battery actually performs better. Think of it as a less efficient car with a bigger gas tank (the Protected Batteries) vs a more efficient car with a smaller tank (the IMRs) - the car with the bigger tank can get you almost twice as far but the car with the smaller tank and more efficiency might get better MPG.

RE Protected vs IMR safety- inside the ProVari I agree- I've said it before - it's like wearing two condoms.... Outside the device (i.e. in your charger, next to your bed, leaving them unattended, after they've been in service for a year and you've dropped them a few times) is a different story - one I have no intention of proving ;-)

 

[TheJack]

I just ordered 2 new Provari batteries today. i had no intentions on picking up these but i lost my Vape case with the Trustfires / 1 ego battery / carts / tip and some juice. i hope like hell they are at work. my Provari fit nice in that Indulgence case.

 

[joc3721]

Does the Li-Ion charger provari sells (not the Pila) charge the 2500's? I use it for the 18650's and it works fine. Don't know if I would need a new charger with the 2500's.
Thanks

 

[VapPornRules]

not exactly- the IMR's stay above 3.6v for a majority of the cycle before dropping off rapidly. So they require less boost over the course of thier cycle as a percentage of time. The Protected batteries happen to cross over the IMR curve at 3.6V but continue to slope down so a good part of the power they provide is at lower voltage requiring more boost. Better performing depends on what you mean by that- remember you're comparing 1600mAh to 2500mAh. The 1600mAh battery runs through about 80% of its cycle above 3.6V- the 2600AW runs through about 50%- so while the 2600mAh Protected battery runs longer before dropping off quickly, the IMR 1600mAh battery actually performs better. Think of it as a less efficient car with a bigger gas tank (the Protected Batteries) vs a more efficient car with a smaller tank (the IMRs) - the car with the bigger tank can get you almost twice as far but the car with the smaller tank and more efficiency might get better MPG.

Where are you getting this information? The best test data I have seen is at 18650 battery test 2011.

I would compare the Provari batts to the red line which ends at 2500 - these are Trustfire 2400s which seem to perform remarkably similar to the Provaris

Edit: The AW IMRs are the yellow line which ends at just over 1500

 

[jimho]

Where are you getting this information? The best test data I have seen is at 18650 battery test 2011.

I would compare the Provari batts to the red line which ends at 2500 - these are Trustfire 2400s which seem to perform remarkably similar to the Provaris

Edit: The AW IMRs are the yellow line which ends at just over 1500

Fair question- data comming from two places-
First- my own use since November 2010 - voltages measured on the ProVari which are lightly loaded but not at 2.5A, and not continuous.

Second- see tests being run by forcedfuel50 and related discussion on another thread.

Important to note- the tests run under continuous load can expected to be different than what we experience with vaping which is on for 5-15 seconds with varied to long rests between.
Until we have someone that wants to invest several hundred $ into buying something like a CBA-III with the high end software, and then investing the time to programming it to simulate vaping, and then take the time to run the tests, I agree that the tests run on CPF and over on the thread you extracted are good starting point. I would caution that drawing conclusions on their performance without considering how we use them vaping will lead to incorrect conclusions. Many have reported that in non VV applications, the IMRs while providing shorter run times, provide more consistent vaping experiences than the P2x00’s.

RE Comparing the provari batteries- unless you are planning to use them in something other than a provari, does it really matter what the curve looks like? It yields longer run time (almost double on the provari) and by all accouts it performs better.

I gotta ask, why is there such an obsession to find out what's beneath the wrapper on this battery? Sure Provape rebranded a battery they sourced from somewhere ... Instead of trying to figure it out based on someone else's test, vs what we are experiencing, why don't one of you guys just sacrifice one of yours and unwrap it for us? ... i guess equiring minds need to know....

My guess/wishful thinking ( I did measure them with a micrometer) the Redilast 2600- and if they are, we're getting a good price.

 

[VapPornRules]

I gotta ask, why is there such an obsession to find out what's beneath the wrapper on this battery? Sure Provape rebranded a battery they sourced from somewhere ... Instead of trying to figure it out based on someone else's test, vs what we are experiencing, why don't one of you guys just sacrifice one of yours and unwrap it for us? ... i guess equiring minds need to know....

My guess/wishful thinking ( I did measure them with a micrometer) the Redilast 2600- and if they are, we're getting a good price.

I don't know if they would have the manufacturer's wrapping underneath but it's worth a look!

The redilast have "large button" tops so I don't think that's the one. I'm betting TF Flame 2400's which are a well reviewed battery.

 

[ukeman]

jimho et al, why won't a flat top work in the PRoVari?