NEW Call to Action!! Tacoma-Pierce County Bait & Switch?

[DataPhreak]

The last paragraph is troubling? The second to last paragraph is completely false. Didn't we provide them with scientific research to the contrary? Did they read it? I call for a protest.

I would also like to clarify that my last statement was in refference to all attemted bans, and not the out come of this individual one.

Also glad "public place" does not refference outside, bus stops, yards, sidewalks, parks, like they are trying to do here in atlanta.

 

[Vocalek]

Wouldn't these provisions A and B prevent parents from purchasing an electronic cigarette for their child to help him or her stop smoking tobacco cigarettes?

SECTION 6: Sale or Distribution to Minors Prohibited

A. No person shall sell, give or furnish, or cause or allow to be sold, given or furnished, electronic smoking devices to a minor unless those products have been approved or otherwise certified for legal sale by the United States Food and Drug Administration and approved for use by minors, and the products are being sold, given or otherwise furnished pursuant to that approval and in full compliance with any related Food and Drug Administration rules, regulations, or other requirements.
B. No person shall sell, give or furnish, or cause or allow to be sold, given or furnished, unregulated nicotine delivery devices to a minor.
C. It shall not be a violation of this section if the person making the sale, gift or otherwise furnishing the product reasonably relied on any of the officially issued identifications listed in RCW 70.155.090 showing that the purchaser or recipient was at least eighteen years old.

http://www.tpchd.org/files/library/22094f84d3b140cb.pdf

The latest survey of 3,587 users shows that 70% have stopped inhaling smoke. As a parent, I would much prefer 70% effectiveness to the 7% of the FDA-approved nicotine products; and I certainly would not give any child Zyban or Chantix.

 

[TomCatt]

Wouldn't these provisions A and B prevent parents from purchasing an electronic cigarette for their child to help him or her stop smoking tobacco cigarettes?


http://www.tpchd.org/files/library/22094f84d3b140cb.pdf


The latest survey of 3,587 users shows that 70% have stopped inhaling smoke. As a parent, I would much prefer 70% effectiveness to the 7% of the FDA-approved nicotine products; and I certainly would not give any child Zyban or Chantix.

Yes it would Elaine; but, is that something that you would want to bring up as an argument against any ban? Minors shouldn't be getting cigarettes to start with (but they do). So if such a situation as you state occurs, I would imagine that IF a minor wanted to use an ecig instead of tobacco; then they would obtain an ecig the same way they did tobacco.

But knowing teenagers (hopefully this would be the age we are talking about), how realistic would it be for them to listen to a parent presenting them with an ecig?

 

[Vocalek]

Hmm... well if banning sales to teens did not prevent teens from buying tobacco cigarettes, perhaps banning sales of e-cigarettes to teens would only work as an invitation to try them. Perhaps right now they are not interested because e-cigarettes don't represent "forbidden fruit."

 

[DataPhreak]

The problem with teens is that they are not addicted to nicotine. Wait, let me rephrase that. The problem with stopping teens from smoking who have already started is not that they are addicted to nicotine. You tell them to stop, ground them, throw their cigarettes away, make them stop hanging out with their friends, you are only reinforcing their resolve to continue to smoke. It's not so much a rebellious thing, as it is, "they keep taking things away from me, by god, they won't take this. It's all i have left."

Educating them doesn't work. Hell, if anything, D.A.R.E. only really helped in using drugs. The decision to stop using drugs was only made after some bad experiences. I and everyone I knew who smoked knew the dangers inherit. What else can you do? I know there are a lot of parents out there on the board. What have you tried? Has it worked? E-cigs wouldn't be my first choice for a teen who was smoking. I would only offer it to them if I knew for certain I could not get them to stop and that they were not going stop on their own. I think catching a kid early the sit them down and smoke a whole pack (Not a whole one, just til they turn green and pop) would have a good chance at shocking them into stopping. What if they've been doing it for 3 months? A year? As someone who is considering parenthood, these are the things that keep me up at night.

Edit: Let me rephrase. These are the things my wife keeps me up at night talking about. =P

 

[D103]

The real problem lies in the "adolescent brain". In adolescence the brain is not yet fully developed and the adolescent does not, nor is able yet, to have a true sense of their own mortality. Intellectually they can understand that they can die from certain things but it is not the same deep down realization and acceptance of a fully developed 'adult brain.'

So what goes on in the adolescent brain, whether they are aware of it or not is, "'that will never happen to me......" which is why, while education programs about drugs and smoking are important, it is a HUGE miscalculation to expect substantial results from it until the person is fully matured and their brain is fully developed.

I think everyone recognizes the reckless and sometimes crazy behaviors of the "invincible" adolescent - it is typically a function of both some degree of 'rebelliousness' and, to a larger degree, the workings of an undeveloped brain. The main "job", as it were, of adolescence, is to push the boundaries i.e. test rules, challenge authority, 'buck the system', but when these developmental behavior tasks end up pushing the boundaries of life or death, tragedy can result.

To believe that we can somehow totally prevent this is pure folly of course. The challenge lies in developing strategies and policies that keep teens reasonably safe without being over-protective and stymieing their natural and necessary maturation process. To over-protect, which is what we've been doing for some time now will only produce immature, less independent, weaker and far less capable and courageous adults which is a grave disservice to the individual and to society at large.

 

[DC2]

To believe that we can somehow totally prevent this is pure folly of course. The challenge lies in developing strategies and policies that keep teens reasonably safe without being over-protective and stymieing their natural and necessary maturation process. To over-protect, which is what we've been doing for some time now will only produce immature, less independent, weaker and far less capable and courageous adults which is a grave disservice to the individual and to society at large.

This is how I feel too.

I get kind of mad whenever I see an overprotective mother.
And in my opinion, there are far more of them then there used to be.