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NEW CDC STUDY OFFICIALLY DEBUNKS ‘VAPING AND FORMALDEHYDE’ MYTH
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I don't know, zoiD. To be honest, I'm not tracking players. Based on what you're saying here, I'd expect you are not.
But it is happening. Evidence of that is littered throughout many threads, unfortunately. Vapers are feeling "guilted" into changing what's been working for them. Again - that's not supposition on my part, but has been spoken of often.
If something works for someone, I'm ALL for it. But if it's not working, or (as in my case) if people just don't care to change, we've actually been insinuated at that we're doing it wrong.
Seriously? What-EVER. I think you'd feel the same way, but I won't pretend to know. But no, I don't believe you have ever done that to me. I'll thank you for that too, just for the record.
Then I say we throw Rocks at those people. And Leave the People who Aren't Involved out of it.
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I have nothing against you. I attempted to address your responses to me appropriately according to the conversation that was being had, which you happily joined.
I'm a very blunt and direct person, generally speaking, but I don't attempt to offend.
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Evolve has been first, foremost, and always will be interested in their business model, any secretive tests that are alluded to by any and all parties are mere speculation.
( vested interest, commiserating with powers that be by producing test equipment, proprietary info agreements...) It's a business and survival thing, possible extremely lucrative .
Some guy who hacks together a bunch of low budget "testing equipment" will never suffice as true "science", whatever that means in today's world...no matter how many obsequious followers spew the dogma. Folks are being steered into do the TC or you're in the danger zone bullcrap. I got sick of it a long time ago.
I vape how I please and use my non TC stuff in total confidence, most of what I read is noise, but to any new vapers...just keep at it, it's far better than smoking. My lungs and my body tell me this is true after almost five years along my vape journey. Read and learn, and develop an eye for discernment, and progress as you feel is best in your own judgment. There aren't many doctors, or "real" scientists posting on this site...YMMV
( vested interest, commiserating with powers that be by producing test equipment, proprietary info agreements...) It's a business and survival thing, possible extremely lucrative
.Some guy who hacks together a bunch of low budget "testing equipment" will never suffice as true "science", whatever that means in today's world...no matter how many obsequious followers spew the dogma. Folks are being steered into do the TC or you're in the danger zone bullcrap. I got sick of it a long time ago.
I vape how I please and use my non TC stuff in total confidence, most of what I read is noise, but to any new vapers...just keep at it, it's far better than smoking. My lungs and my body tell me this is true after almost five years along my vape journey. Read and learn, and develop an eye for discernment, and progress as you feel is best in your own judgment. There aren't many doctors, or "real" scientists posting on this site...YMMV
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln..."
G'night all. I've expired myself. Truly - thanks for the laughs, and for the exchanges. Conflict is healthy, or so they say.
< to the wonders of vape! 
G'night all. I've expired myself. Truly - thanks for the laughs, and for the exchanges. Conflict is healthy, or so they say.
< to the wonders of vape!
...how did you enjoy the show?"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln..."
G'night all. I've expired myself. Truly - thanks for the laughs, and for the exchanges. Conflict is healthy, or so they say.
Yeah, but I have a new "study" in the works you people will have to thwart.
“After vaping area sampling results may show that background napalm concentrations similar to vietnam firebombing runs and threaten the lives of all within breathing distance, thus proving vaping is the new agent orange.”
Try dis-proving that one.
“After vaping area sampling results may show that background napalm concentrations similar to vietnam firebombing runs and threaten the lives of all within breathing distance, thus proving vaping is the new agent orange.”
Try dis-proving that one.
@christylh8 for myself it is as easy as I am no longer smoking thru vaping and better off for it. The perk is vaping is tasty and I love it.
I TC and don't TC. LOL, when I TC, I rarely reach "temp protect" mode. I do rotate setups and etc, so the only time I reach it is out and about, when I may have less setups with me. I feel pretty comfortable in either mode. I do think TC may often be more relevant to higher wattage vapers than myself.
I personally think everyone should do what they prefer, but I know there will always be TC mods in my arsenal AND non-TC vapes. I enjoy all of them, and I'm not smoking. I consider almost any form of vaping to be safer than smoking and that matters to me most. I will say my usual lack of "need" for TC makes me feel more comfortable about my non-TC mods, I vape all my mods at similar wattage and etc.
Anna
I personally think everyone should do what they prefer, but I know there will always be TC mods in my arsenal AND non-TC vapes. I enjoy all of them, and I'm not smoking. I consider almost any form of vaping to be safer than smoking and that matters to me most. I will say my usual lack of "need" for TC makes me feel more comfortable about my non-TC mods, I vape all my mods at similar wattage and etc.
Anna
Here's the thing with me. I'm not a former smoker. I'm vaping because I enjoy it. The phrase "harm reduction" is used a lot in the industry, so you can see why I'm a bit eeky on my own choices here. I do know that I don't vape over 450F and I keep my wattages fairly low. I'm in no cloud chucking contests.
I've read enough of Mike Petro's thread to know I'm not worried about my 23-30w vapes. I dtl and prefer a cooler vape, so yeah me. If you are still concerned after some research I would advise looking into temp control.Here's the thing with me. I'm not a former smoker. I'm vaping because I enjoy it. The phrase "harm reduction" is used a lot in the industry, so you can see why I'm a bit eeky on my own choices here. I do know that I don't vape over 450F and I keep my wattages fairly low. I'm in no cloud chucking contests.
My boyfriend and I were discussing this last night. He is a non-smoker and non-vaper (though he doesn't have any problem with me being one). We talked about all the frozen meals in plastic containers we've nuked in the microwave and ate for the last few decades, and how vaping couldn't be any worse than that.
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No argument at all from me.
I'm not sure though that I'd recommend someone who wasn't smoking begin vaping. Like it or not, we're still very early in the game. Chances are that all is well, but some time-proven data is still required before we can say that for sure.
Not saying you shouldn't do it (it's neither my business nor my place), but if it were me, I'd think long and hard. We ARE ingesting a foreign substance into our lungs {X} times per day, after all.
Tough one for me, to be sure.
I do agree there is a lot of things in life that are horrible for us and we do them any way without thinking - heck breathing the air in a city like Los Angeles is likely as dangerous as vaping, certainly far more dangerous than second hand vapor.
I don't recommend a non-smoker vape. I smoked for 32 years of my life and was an addict, I wanted to quit when I was 27 and never could until vaping came around, not even when my health was at stake - so I worry about other people, not that vaping is the same, (God forbid, dont think im saying that) I'd certainly wish someone vaping before smoking as it doesn't have that "addict" factor. It's just the mom in me.. it's not a no harm product, like spinach, for instance.
While vaping only has approximately 5%-20% of the harm of smoking (depending on who you talk to) that is still some harm. In 10 years, no ones died and no ones health has been seriously affected, but certain things like breathing problems may not show up for 20 or more years.
Heck I was working out hard two hours a day, everyday, when I had been smoking for 10 years, but by the time I hit 32 years of using cigarettes I couldn't make it to the mailbox without rest breaks due to my inability to breathe properly.
Of course, this is an incorrect correlation to make, because smoking is NOT vaping, but with vaping we don't know the problems yet that might show up with long term use. It's just not been around long enough to know for certain.
We know that smokers lungs will heal with a switch to vaping and we know there are serious health improvements when a smoker begins vaping, so we know it's FAR FAR BETTER than smoking, but to what degree it might be worse than doing nothing but breathing air is still just a bit of a mystery.
So the future, that's on you, and something you will be discovering on your own... we cant tell you much other than it's a far better option than smoking.
If your good with that, and feel informed and have decided its a chance your willing to take, then that's your decision as an informed adult..
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I'm OK with never smokers vaping, with the caveat that they will be an important sub section of the guiny pig / lab rat pool of this great and wonderful experiment called vaping. I willingly accepted that I was all in as a guiny pig when I committed to vaping as a long term harm reduction strategy. I also know that I am fruit of the tainted tree because of some 35 years smoking. Never smoked vapers will be a valuable resource as study subjects down the road...
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