OT I know, but every time I see that quote, it gets me laughing. I agree...
I think I do understand where you are coming from and I personally have enjoyed reading your posts. I have noted that you are all for free will and that you don't try to make folks believe as you do but where we part ways is I will fight for both smokers and vapers. There is no either/or for me.Mattiem, I see your point. I don't think every smoker wants to quit, certainly, and I absolutely support their right to smoke, in fact I live with one who will have to deal with the repercussions, so I'm not saying they should be abandoned or overlooked.
But... do you think many smokers took the time to evaluate vaping as a harm reduction option and fought for that cause? I don't think that many did. I'm just saying if I had to choose between supporting vaping or smoking, it would be the former. I have made plenty of posts on here about free will, and I'm not trying to shame a group for continuing a behavior I engaged in myself for a long time. I WILL say that if presented with only those two options, I would support vaping, as I believe it to be healthier, and easier to quit over the long term. I personally would like it if someone has been a smoker that they can CONTINUE to smoke exactly what they like, unless/until they are ready to quit, I do think for newer smokers or the curious, reducing nicotine could help. I have ABSOLUTELY no idea how to achieve both objectives, however, and I don't want to see a smoking black market more than any other one, as it usually leads to poorer health outcomes and more crime.
With that said, even given the unfairness of the "two options" which it seems we are headed toward... I have to support the one that I bM of us elieve is overall better for society. Ideally, it wouldn't be a choice, but if I lived in an ideal world.... I can't remember one. My first memory is of my mom crying in the middle of the night, because my dad was possibly bleeding out in the hospital from repairing a lung collapse (I was 3), and she was pretty sure he was going to die. And he smoked himself and did not quit for a very long time after that, and I started myself...
I agree that motivation has to be there.... But I think my dad would have vaped then, if it were around.... It would have been good harm reduction for him, possibly, though maybe not perfect.
I just... other than no intervention at all except for vape education that is correct and accurate and timely, as well as including vape in Smoking Cessation classes (WITH education) to make that happen? I don't really know how cigarettes can be made "safer" or "less addictive" without causing current smokers difficulty.... I really don't.
Anna
Where do they get the nic? From the bits they're making sheets out of?
I am sorry to be so blunt but that is one road I refuse to go down. It's like the folks that quit cold turkey. In their mind if they could do it that way we should be able to do it too. We found vaping and it worked for us but I would never tell someone "It worked for me, it should work for you too".
Personally I want to find a way to stick up for both smokers and vapers. There are some die hard smokers that will NEVER give up their smokes and that should be their choice. I fight for vaping so it will be there for those that might start smoking. I truly do believe that those that chose vaping over smoking will not get hooked on vaping the way we got hooked on smoking and will be able to put it behind them without all we had to go through to just quit.
The ANTZ and those that quit by going cold turkey "believe" all of it is harmful and if they can quit or never start in the first place we should be able to do so too.
One "can" do most anything if the desire to do so is there. Forcing the desire never works. In most cases it will just cause most adults to just dig in their heals even harder.
I have been around long enough to remember when we lived with the motto...Live and let live......now it seems to be ....do it my way or you are doing it wrong.
Thanks Bdeck,
I agree that with modern farming a lot can be done to "improve/change" harvest. I'll admit to sometimes wondering if my American Spirit Tobacco cans had humectant added in somehow via GMO, because it was never harsh at all. That said, I'm not sure if the ultimate outcome makes a difference.... The fact remains that tobacco is overall becoming more nicotin-ized, though as you say, it may not be much of enough to make a difference....
That said, I'd love to talk to someone in BT industry to find out what exactly does happen as cigarettes are created.... I'm sure there are trade secrets....
Also, I keep meaning to tell you that I adore Jim Jeffries, he's one of my favorite comedians out there!
Sorry that work's so intense at the moment
Anna
Thanks, Duane.
Thanks, Duane.
"Never at any point in the processing process is any additional nicotine added."
"The resulting product actually has less nicotine than when the crops were harvested or processed."
Guns don't kill people, virgins do! -Jim Jeffries
Neither would a public health agency
I don't, but watching the film I used a bit of deductive reasoning to decide for myself why would they lie about the nicotine levels, they were just describing matter of factly how they make the product. Of course, i also realize that the cocktail of flavor enhancers and smoothing agents contain chemicals like ammonia, which frees up the nicotine molecules present to make them more readily taken up in their most active state when the product is burned.
There is stronger, better tasting, less tainted tobacco readily available.
