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Discussion in 'Liquid Feed APV Discussion' started by DeloresRose, Jun 3, 2019.

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  1. tokarev

    tokarev Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 25, 2009
    Tennessee, USA
    If you didn't know this already, your Reo does have a hot spring which functions like a fuse and drops the battery away from the positive contact in case of a short. You might want to purchase a few spare springs and maybe some other spare parts just for insurance. Reos are built to last but sometimes parts do wear out, get lost, etc.
     
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  2. tokarev

    tokarev Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 25, 2009
    Tennessee, USA
    So do I. I love the way it hits so much I just bought 3 more for the stash box! For $30 each, how could I not?
     
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  3. mrjohs

    mrjohs Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 3, 2015
    But if the voltage changes in a VW situation then the ohms must have changed. I don't get what other reason there would be for the voltage to change or fluctuate.
     
  4. 440BB

    440BB Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Apr 19, 2011
    The Motor City
    As a coil heats up during a puff the resistance changes. As a coil accumulates vaping byproducts it's resistance goes up.
     
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  5. Zaryk

    Zaryk Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 25, 2018
    Ohio
    The mod does not calculate the voltage needed before or during firing. It simply applies voltage until it reaches the wattage limit set by the user, then decreases and increases the voltage rapidly to maintain that wattage and ohms has little to do with it, as the constant voltage change can quickly compensate for any ohm fluctuation. This can be seen easily when firing a mod that has a live voltage readout. The volts will jump a lot at first, then go up and down some as it tries to maintain the desired wattage. If the mod had to calculate when firing there would be a delay in the time when we press the button and when the mod fires, and manufacturers are aiming for instant firing so they are not going to add a feature that slows that process.
     
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  6. kross8

    kross8 Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Agree on parts & I did order Springs. My original spring acted broke yesterday..its all .... eyed.. I had the battery out Don't know what happened - I must have abused it.. Anyway I did work more on the body.. I maxed out at 2000 grit sandpaper so I need get 3000 + 5000 20190908_092139.jpg
     

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  7. CMD-Ky

    CMD-Ky Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 15, 2013
    KY
    That is looking good, kross.

     
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  8. kross8

    kross8 Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Thanks.. Watched a video on mirror finish.. Need higher sandpaper.

    I have 3 doors..thinking about an acid wash /something for a light green.

    Meantime I am looking for some clearish..about card stock thick to put behind the slotted door (greenish or something like mother of pearl)
     
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  9. mrjohs

    mrjohs Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 3, 2015
    Kanthal is designed specifically to not change as temperature increases. It can clearly be seen on most regulated mods. The resistance stays pretty accurately the same during the puff. Other materials like stainless steel will and should increase during the puff.

    If you replace "wattage" with "temperature" this makes sense to me. Otherwise I am not so sure. This is how I understand how it works:

    50 times (or similar) each second, the mod does this:

    1) Measure the resistance
    2) Calculate the voltage required to achieve set wattage
    3) Adjust the voltage to the calculated value

    So according to ohms law, if the ohms are stable the voltage should be stable. If not, the signal is noisy which can of course be caused by the chip being crap. Judging from pbusardo's videos the DNA chips, among others, have a pretty stable signal/voltage.
     
  10. Zaryk

    Zaryk Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 25, 2018
    Ohio
    If it did calculate the data then why does the voltage not start at the needed amount instead of quickly scaling to it's limit? If it constantly has to calculate the data, it would also require a whole lot more processing power than if it just governs the output as it reads live data.

    I feel we are pretty much at a bypass in this conversation, since neither of us have the equipment to thoroughly test this to get a definitive answer. But with everything I have seen my mods do, it leaves me to fully believe they do as I have described and just govern the live output since it is much more simple and is much easier and cheaper to get the same end result.

    But on a side note, if you look at the graphs on the YouTube guys videos, you will see the graph always ramp up to the desired output and not just start where the limit was set, which also goes with what I described and not with it calculating and starting at the needed voltage.

    But either way, thanks for the great conversation. I always like a debate that makes me second guess how I understand something.
     
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  11. mrjohs

    mrjohs Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 3, 2015
    I am not following you. What is the difference between "calculate the data" and "govern the output"? With regards to processing power, I would think that it is a piece of cake for modern chips to do the ohms law equation.

    Yes, there clearly is a ramp up. I do not know what causes it. But if the resistance changes during the puff, the voltage changes too, no?

    Thanks the same. I appreciate how we keep this civilized as opposed to some other forums on the interwebs which appearently are crowded with 14 year olds.
     
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  12. Daniel Forsyth

    Daniel Forsyth Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 26, 2019
    Victoria, Australia
    I thought this thread was for New Squonkers:)
    Not for all this hoo haa about wattage and voltage:confused:
    I wanna see some Squonkers;)
     
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  13. jandrew

    jandrew Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 2, 2013
    Winnipeg
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  14. Train2

    Train2 ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 11, 2013
    CA, USA
    With Reo, my first squonker, closing their doors, I got one more. Then I got another.

    silverveinday1.jpg

    ReoMini-day1a.jpg


    The black one there turned 5 years old last month.
    Now he's got a baby sister to look after, lol.

     
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  15. HigherStateD

    HigherStateD Ultra Member

    Mar 11, 2019
    Screw your regulated output debate...

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  16. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    Apr 16, 2010
    So-Cal
    Wow... Is that the New Dark Matter Mod?

    LOL
     
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  17. Blitzdonlife

    Blitzdonlife Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 24, 2012
    Central Texas
    3m lapping film goes up to 250000 grit if I remember right, may be more than needed, just fyi.
    9 Sheet Variety 3M NON PSA (.3, 1, 3, 5, 9, 12, 30, 40, 60 microns) Lapping Film | eBay
     
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  18. Blitzdonlife

    Blitzdonlife Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 24, 2012
    Central Texas
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  19. HigherStateD

    HigherStateD Ultra Member

    Mar 11, 2019
    Better?
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  20. jandrew

    jandrew Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 2, 2013
    Winnipeg
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