New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers

[NU_FTW]

If Evolve want to sell more mods it would be nice if you could update using a MAC..... it's held me back from spending all the money on one and not be able to take full advantage of the device.... currently looking for a device now that is comparable to a dna and compatible with a MAC..

Companies rush products out that say TC but do not work correctly in TC.. I don't understand why. That's a y product..

Examples..... Sigelei, god awful TC devices. That been proven through tests. Some of them you can't even update.
smok Alien was released with bad TC settings. Fixable with a Windows computer after the updates, but your out of luck if you have a MAC..Many other companies as well..

My point is you can come up with 470 f for a safety number then run it on a crappy TC device (with a popular name)but you never really know what the temp is because they are so off.. yes I know about manual TCR settings, but the average vaper should just have to put in the wire type n vape away..

Joytech and eleaf do both Mac n Windows for updates..there are others as well, wish all companies just gave the options for both, considering they are not putting out a quality finished product that performs as advertised by rushing the R&D process..

Can Mac not dual boot/emulate Linux or Windows?

Ok that may be a bit mean as i know the answer to the question....

I hate/despise Mac

 

[Joergl100]

Excactly. (mean Lessifers last post, nothing else!!!)

Last harsh dry hit i had was with a iClear16...2 years ago!!!

Did not kill me...

I hate that panic-craving! Good for...nothing.

 

[Cosmic_Glaze]

Can Mac not dual boot/emulate Linux or Windows?

Ok that may be a bit mean as i know the answer to the question....

I hate/despise Mac

Yeah, I knew this would happen....Mac vs Windows.. lets just keep this to Vaping and the reality that just like different vape gear out there, everyone has there preferences that suits them.....

 

[NU_FTW]

Yeah, I knew this would happen....Mac vs Windows.. lets just keep this to Vaping and the reality that just like different vape gear out there, everyone has there preferences that suits them.....

While i offered my opinion at the end, a Mac user can still launch Linux and Windows programs within the Mac OS if one has the will to do so... that is the point i was making....

 

[Joergl100]

Boring discussion. MacOS is quasi unix...so what?

BTT!!!

 

[Cosmic_Glaze]

While i offered my opinion at the end, a Mac user can still launch Linux and Windows programs within the Mac OS if one has the will to do so... that is the point i was making....

Yeah I've heard, but don't you have to buy it or something..honestly I don't know much about it, have never needed Windows until I started Vaping.. LoL

 

[NU_FTW]

Yeah I've heard, but don't you have to buy it or something..honestly I don't know much about it, have never needed Windows until I started Vaping.. LoL

No, no purchase... considering how BASIC the C++ firmware programs are heck win95 can be used for a lot of them... legacy windows is essentially free and Linux is 100% free regardless... just takes a bit of time to research. Funny thing is ive never had a need to emulate a mac os!! (sorry couldnt help myself)

 

[Cosmic_Glaze]

No, no purchase... considering how BASIC the C++ firmware programs are heck win95 can be used for a lot of them... legacy windows is essentially free and Linux is 100% free regardless... just takes a bit of time to research. Funny thing is ive never had a need to emulate a mac os!! (sorry couldnt help myself)

Interesting, there may be a DNA in my future...and ha ha..

 

[NU_FTW]

Interesting, there may be a DNA in my future...and ha ha..

Hell a raspberry pi 3 can do your upgrades costs 35 bucks runs linux just sayin (dont go that route you dont seem like one to want to be too hands on) but if you google Windows Emultor for Mac.... something tells me you will find a solution or twenty

 

[NU_FTW]

Interesting, there may be a DNA in my future...and ha ha..

Evolv is not the only manufacturers to make TC BOARDS. whoops caps anyway i dont own a single evolv board. I love my Smok mods, granted they are their newest variety that i own. They do TC very well

 

[Cosmic_Glaze]

Hell a raspberry pi 3 can do your upgrades costs 35 bucks runs linux just sayin (dont go that route you dont seem like one to want to be too hands on) but if you google Windows Emultor for Mac.... something tells me you will find a solution or twenty

I never really tried to research it before.... I see a few ways to do it...Thanks. I'll look into it more. Still I don't know why Evolve does not offer both, I would have already bought a new one... I actually found and bought a Hana DNA 20w in the classified this weekend super cheap. All excited till 2 days later this thread came out. Taking all the fun out of the purchase... not really, still using it till more info comes out..
But thanks for the info on the Computer..

 

[soulseek]

I love Evolv products, their philosophy and what they stand for. My DNA60 is my best device. Unfortunately, unless the FDA regulations change in the US, they're going to become irrelevant pretty soon.
They will be stuck with these products, unable to develop anything newer or rollout new firmware.

Maybe they'll decide to move to Europe and I'll be happy and selfish

 

[Mazinny]

Whats up Maz? Haven't seen you in forever.

Hey Cig ! Good to see you my friend . I've been around, just not in the same threads as you i suppose. I pretty much vape the same way as i did in mid to late 2014. In fact, i don't think i've bought a tank or mod for well over two years, outside of an iCare curiosity purchase. I see you have continued to test newer and different set-ups and methods, and your vaping style has evolved. I am still grateful for your advice back in the day, and i really admire your approach, and dedication to perfecting your vape, and especially you sharing the results of your research and testing.

I never tried T.C. because i didn't think it applied to my style of vaping, but i will participate in your upcoming TC 101 thread . Time to buy a new mod, and it might as well be a TC mod.

 

[Mazinny]

3. Kurt - tested various atomizers, reported the results of a subtank at 0.5ohm and up to 35w(I think), and they did not detect any of the compounds outside of dry puff scenarios.

Dry hits are being discussed because:
See number 3 up there? That's the only vaping scenario that has actually been shown to produce the aldehydes.

I'm not sure we can definitively state that. Here's the results of Kurts testing you mentioned :

Device 1 is a CE4 and device 2 is PT1. I have vaped with a CE4 at higher than 5.2 watts and with a PT1 with stock coil at higher than 7.7 watts and i didn't encounter dry-puff conditions or bad/funky taste, and i'm quite certain i'm not the only one.

 

[Lessifer]

I'm not sure we can definitively state that. Here's the results of Kurts testing you mentioned :

Device 1 is a CE4 and device 2 is PT1. I have vaped with a CE4 at higher than 5.2 watts and with a PT1 with stock coil at higher than 7.7 watts and i didn't encounter dry-puff conditions or bad/funky taste, and i'm quite certain i'm not the only one.

True, I should have specified for third generation devices. Kurt does explain why he believes second generation devices shouldn't be used for testing, and it's not just because they're less popular now.

I remember using CE4s and you basically had to tip and twirl them after every puff to keep the coil wet. Protanks were slightly better, you didn't have to tip them, but, at least for me, I had to space my puffs out or I'd still get dry hits, especially on an unmodified one. After recoiling them and wicking them with cotton they worked better, but still nothing like one of today's tanks. We also discussed early in this thread the fact that second generation clearos tended to use very thin wire, which is inherently more volatile in regards to temperature.

 

[corn flakes]

I'm not sure we can definitively state that. Here's the results of Kurts testing you mentioned :

Device 1 is a CE4 and device 2 is PT1. I have vaped with a CE4 at higher than 5.2 watts and with a PT1 with stock coil at higher than 7.7 watts and i didn't encounter dry-puff conditions or bad/funky taste, and i'm quite certain i'm not the only one.

Thanks for posting this. I went and read the paper.

 

[Mazinny]

True, I should have specified for third generation devices. Kurt does explain why he believes second generation devices shouldn't be used for testing, and it's not just because they're less popular now.

I remember using CE4s and you basically had to tip and twirl them after every puff to keep the coil wet. Protanks were slightly better, you didn't have to tip them, but, at least for me, I had to space my puffs out or I'd still get dry hits, especially on an unmodified one. After recoiling them and wicking them with cotton they worked better, but still nothing like one of today's tanks. We also discussed early in this thread the fact that second generation clearos tended to use very thin wire, which is inherently more volatile in regards to temperature.

There was a 30 second interval between puffs with PT1 and still high levels of aldehydes at 7.7 watts.

It's interesting that device three ( Innokin Gladius ) uses a similar coil to the PT1 except it's a dual coil, and at similar wattages aldehyde levels are much lower. Perhaps a dual-coil means more wicking material, therefore more liquid in heating chamber, therefore lower temperatures !? Also 8 watts applied to two coils as opposed to one coil in the PT1.

 

[Lessifer]

There was a 30 second interval between puffs with PT1 and there was still high levels of aldehydes at 7.7 watts.

It's interesting that device three ( Innokin Gladius ) uses a similar coil to the PT1 except it's a dual coil, and at similar wattages aldehyde levels are much lower. Perhaps a dual-coil means more wicking material, therefore more liquid in heating chamber, therefore lower temperatures !? Also 8 watts applied to two coils as opposed to one coil in the PT1.

Or dual coil = more overall wire mass, less prone to temperature spikes? 7.7 watts on a protank sounds a little high to me, but it's been a very long time since I've used one.

 

[Mazinny]

Or dual coil = more overall wire mass, less prone to temperature spikes?

Well yeah, you're saying the same thing i said in a different way

 

[Zakillah]

Thanks for posting this. I went and read the paper.

Can someone give me a link to that "SubTank study", please?

7.7 watts on a protank sounds a little high to me, but it's been a very long time since I've used one.

I recall that 4 Volts on the 2 Ohm Coils was noticibly tasting funky. 3,8 Volts was ok-ish. In Wattage range that's 8 - 7,22 Watt. Damn that's close.