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I'm kind of excited for the self-driving cars, if only for the time period when they're phased in, while the dinosaurs (myself included) drive real cars and the resulting chaos.... I think Tucson will be awhile, Eli Musk came here to visit with city council to look at setting up a plant here... LOL, he asked the limo driver who picked him up from the airport, "Are all the roads this bad?"
When the limo driver said yes, Musk replied without missing a beat, "Take me back to the airport now, please."
The potholes... The "roadwork".... I've seen a google car here, but it looked very nervous, and google maps doesn't keep up well with the "advancements" being made here as far as roadwork... LOL.
That said, my mom ordered a Tesla (the car) she's about to turn 70 and has this ridiculously overpowered BMW sports car, none of us kids were really into having that "You can't drive anymore Mom," conversation.
Anna
When the limo driver said yes, Musk replied without missing a beat, "Take me back to the airport now, please."
The potholes... The "roadwork".... I've seen a google car here, but it looked very nervous, and google maps doesn't keep up well with the "advancements" being made here as far as roadwork... LOL.
That said, my mom ordered a Tesla (the car) she's about to turn 70 and has this ridiculously overpowered BMW sports car, none of us kids were really into having that "You can't drive anymore Mom," conversation.
Anna
Speed limits are like any other legislation.
They cater to the lowest common denominator...
The people without the judgement to realize you're more likely to die at your current speed on icy roads than to make it to your destination.
My mother freaks out and tells me all about it when she sees a tractor trailer doing 70+mph on windy, mountain highways of Pennsylvania.
Yet she was calm and collected on our 11 hour ride in the bunk of my rig at speeds sometimes over 80mph.
I'm personally not at all interested in openly communicating (easily hackable) vehicle guidance systems.
Even less interested in the system driving the vehicle next to me experiencing a blue screen of death.
Two scenarios guaranteed to be a part of our near future.
San Francisco already kicked Uber self driving cars out of their city because they couldn't even stop at traffic lights.
Now imagine your car needs a $1,000.00+ software or firmware upgrade... or the fault code says you have a bad sensor...
A sensor that with a human driving has little to no consequence...
But is the only form of feedback between the computer that's driving and imminent death of someone.
Given the lack of preventative maintenance and repair budget from your average person who would truly benefit from a self driving car, I presume the stakes are raising, not lowering.
Add in the failure rate of electronics in modern vehicles.
Google, Ford and Uber are just 3 companies that have stated goals of having vehicles with no human interface within 5 years...
No override in case of failure or emergency.
We're not ready.
Hell, even my phone glitches out from time to time.
Once is one too many carrying my children at 70mph.
Guns don't kill people, virgins do! -Jim Jeffries
They cater to the lowest common denominator...
The people without the judgement to realize you're more likely to die at your current speed on icy roads than to make it to your destination.
My mother freaks out and tells me all about it when she sees a tractor trailer doing 70+mph on windy, mountain highways of Pennsylvania.
Yet she was calm and collected on our 11 hour ride in the bunk of my rig at speeds sometimes over 80mph.
I'm personally not at all interested in openly communicating (easily hackable) vehicle guidance systems.
Even less interested in the system driving the vehicle next to me experiencing a blue screen of death.
Two scenarios guaranteed to be a part of our near future.
San Francisco already kicked Uber self driving cars out of their city because they couldn't even stop at traffic lights.
Now imagine your car needs a $1,000.00+ software or firmware upgrade... or the fault code says you have a bad sensor...
A sensor that with a human driving has little to no consequence...
But is the only form of feedback between the computer that's driving and imminent death of someone.
Given the lack of preventative maintenance and repair budget from your average person who would truly benefit from a self driving car, I presume the stakes are raising, not lowering.
Add in the failure rate of electronics in modern vehicles.
Google, Ford and Uber are just 3 companies that have stated goals of having vehicles with no human interface within 5 years...
No override in case of failure or emergency.
We're not ready.
Hell, even my phone glitches out from time to time.
Once is one too many carrying my children at 70mph.
Guns don't kill people, virgins do! -Jim Jeffries
bekdg, you have listed every single concern that my husband has mentioned re: self-driving cars. I don't think we are anywhere NEAR ready.... With maybe the exception of my Mom, who might do better even if the car DID experience the blue screen of death.... Possibly.
I really want her BMW, that was a great car. I drove her to Chicago after she bought it and once she was asleep and it was 2 a.m., I was able to get it up to about 120 mph, on windy roads (there was no traffic or hazards though) felt like I was cruising at about 60 mph. Not something I do usually, though I guess I should note that I wouldn't mind some parking/backup ASSIST, every accident I've had has been super low speed or backing up, but sheesh, even metros usually have an operator/driver in place in case something happens.... And they run on RAILS.
IDK. Driving is just unsafe, period, but oh so useful like many things in life.
Anna
I don't think we are anywhere NEAR ready.... With maybe the exception of my Mom, who might do better even if the car DID experience the blue screen of death.... Possibly.I really want her BMW, that was a great car. I drove her to Chicago after she bought it and once she was asleep and it was 2 a.m., I was able to get it up to about 120 mph, on windy roads (there was no traffic or hazards though) felt like I was cruising at about 60 mph. Not something I do usually, though I guess I should note that I wouldn't mind some parking/backup ASSIST, every accident I've had has been super low speed or backing up, but sheesh, even metros usually have an operator/driver in place in case something happens.... And they run on RAILS.
IDK. Driving is just unsafe, period, but oh so useful like many things in life.
Anna
"Authentic" self-driving BMW - $25.00 fastech.
Another thing not normally discussed with self-driving cars is who is responsible in the event of a collision? There is no human driving, therefore the occupants can't be held responsible, can they? That's a yuge ball of legal wax that will take years to melt down and unravel and will probably take specific legislation by either each State or the Feds.
I used to drive a lot, say 100,000 miles a year between work and pleasure. I used to enjoy it. Now I drive less than 20,000 miles a year and, basically, hate every minute behind the wheel unless I'm on a "back" road with no traffic. Between the people who think there is no speed limit, those that think their very presence on a roadway entitles them to the right of way and those glued to their smart phones, driving just ain't what it used to be. The death of civility has spread to even common courtesy on the road.
And those of you that think buying an electric or hybrid is a wonderful thing, think again. The cobalt used in production of the batteries, and probably even the batteries used in our vape gear, is being mined by children as young as six working 12 to 14 hours a day. The batteries themselves are produced in one of the most polluted places on earth. Then there's the problem of getting rid of those batteries, loaded with heavy, toxic, metals.
Off my Andy Rooney soapbox, for now.
Another thing not normally discussed with self-driving cars is who is responsible in the event of a collision? There is no human driving, therefore the occupants can't be held responsible, can they? That's a yuge ball of legal wax that will take years to melt down and unravel and will probably take specific legislation by either each State or the Feds.
I used to drive a lot, say 100,000 miles a year between work and pleasure. I used to enjoy it. Now I drive less than 20,000 miles a year and, basically, hate every minute behind the wheel unless I'm on a "back" road with no traffic. Between the people who think there is no speed limit, those that think their very presence on a roadway entitles them to the right of way and those glued to their smart phones, driving just ain't what it used to be. The death of civility has spread to even common courtesy on the road.
And those of you that think buying an electric or hybrid is a wonderful thing, think again. The cobalt used in production of the batteries, and probably even the batteries used in our vape gear, is being mined by children as young as six working 12 to 14 hours a day. The batteries themselves are produced in one of the most polluted places on earth. Then there's the problem of getting rid of those batteries, loaded with heavy, toxic, metals.
Off my Andy Rooney soapbox, for now.
Yes, I never understood how on earth a BATTERY powered car would be more economical/better for the environment in any fashion whatsoever and if I bring it up (even to my family members, LOL) they get this, "Damnit Anna, why are you such a pain...." look at me. EVEN THOUGH they have had to REPLACE BATTERIES in their hybrids do they not wonder how that battery was created and what is happening to it now????
That said, I was the only family member who married a republican and my kiddo's a libertarian, so our household is a bit different than my sibs, who ALL have freaking Toyota hybrids or whatnot and Apple watches and etc... Except my little bro, who has no car currently, and my kiddo's on a bike/mom-drive schedule until he can get his license back. I'm in NO RUSH.
I'd buy that FT beamer now, my mom beat hers all to death and she's replaced the clutch 3 times.... It was such a sweet ride at one point but maintenance, ech. She keeps wondering which kid to give it to, and I'm like.... "Don't give it to mine, MOM!"
Also, I think they're finding that solar, oddly, works horribly in AZ as it's so HOT it fries the panels early on, and they don't pay for themselves before being replaced.... We are considering putting in a windmill, though. Just because I like them. I have fond memories of Holland as a kid.
Do I need to start feeling some sort of residual guilt for using batteries to vape? Gosh, well, it is what it is. We're all going to die someway.
Anna
That said, I was the only family member who married a republican and my kiddo's a libertarian, so our household is a bit different than my sibs, who ALL have freaking Toyota hybrids or whatnot and Apple watches and etc... Except my little bro, who has no car currently, and my kiddo's on a bike/mom-drive schedule until he can get his license back. I'm in NO RUSH.
I'd buy that FT beamer now, my mom beat hers all to death and she's replaced the clutch 3 times.... It was such a sweet ride at one point but maintenance, ech. She keeps wondering which kid to give it to, and I'm like.... "Don't give it to mine, MOM!"
Also, I think they're finding that solar, oddly, works horribly in AZ as it's so HOT it fries the panels early on, and they don't pay for themselves before being replaced.... We are considering putting in a windmill, though. Just because I like them.
I have fond memories of Holland as a kid. Do I need to start feeling some sort of residual guilt for using batteries to vape? Gosh, well, it is what it is. We're all going to die someway.
Anna
- When it comes to solar I always ask how much energy it took to create the glass and alum frame
- When it comes to electric cars I always ask how the toxic chemicals are being disposed of and how much energy did it take to create the batteries
Great points, all.
Not to mention it's been said that electric cars don't use less fossil fuels due to efficiency losses at each energy transfer.
Coal
Petrol
Nuclear -> electric plant -> grid -> house -> battery -> motor
Guns don't kill people, virgins do! -Jim Jeffries
Not to mention it's been said that electric cars don't use less fossil fuels due to efficiency losses at each energy transfer.
Coal
Petrol
Nuclear -> electric plant -> grid -> house -> battery -> motor
Guns don't kill people, virgins do! -Jim Jeffries
Mom is 74 and has always been a scary driver. Pops is 75 smart and able person who mentioned to me the other day his driving days are nearing the end. He feels like he could end up causing traffic problems. (Mom is the one we are all scared to drive with,,,so we all volunteer to drive her. But she drives her blind friends around.......you can imagine that sight when they tripped over a curb.
1) bekdg, you have listed every single concern that my husband has mentioned re: self-driving cars.
2) I wouldn't mind some parking/backup ASSIST
Anna
I agree.
My only problem is in the automotive industry advancements that are widely accepted tend to become standard without the option of opting out.
The other real positive is the likelihood of becoming a completely ride-shared society.
Driveways and parking lots will eventually become a thing of the past.
This leaves way to fitting our ever growing population onto 1/2 to 1/5 of the necessary real estate per person without sacrifice and allows more land to be naturalized in the process.
That Tesla accident will set the first major precedent.
I believe most of this will be settled with court cases creating precedent before legislation can be imagined.
Such as if your lack of maintenance created the failure it will most definitely be your cross to bare.
Guns don't kill people, virgins do! -Jim Jeffries
75?...He would be a young whipper snapper down here.
95 yr old drivers are not uncommon in FL.
The Walmart parking lot looks like a "bumper" car track....
And the highways look like a game of Frogger with every car doing it's own speed from 25 mph to 95 mph with no rhyme or reason.
Guns don't kill people, virgins do! -Jim Jeffries
You can count on the 25mphers to be hogging the left lane...And the highways look like a game of Frogger with every car doing it's own speed from 25 mph to 95 mph with no rhyme or reason.
Guns don't kill people, virgins do! -Jim Jeffries
... While the 95 mph guys are weaving in back-and-forth between the center and the right-hand lane.You can count on the 25mphers to be hogging the left lane...
I'm not a lawyer, I don't play one on TV and I didn't stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night, but...that Tesla accident was a case of driver negligence. I think Tesla has enough of a legal department to "prove" they told the driver that the car was not actually self driving. He just decided it was, maybe with a little "encouragement" from the dealer, even though Tesla, allegedly, made the point that it wasn't. Further, I would speculate that in all 50 states it is not legal to operate a motor vehicle on public roadways/highways without a human operator without special permits under special, and probably controlled, conditions. Every time I hear about some city granting permits for Uber or Google to test their cars in some city I cringe and am glad I don't live in one of those cities.
Knowing what I know about electronics and their reliability, I know for almost a dead certainty that Murphy will enter the picture in short order and all the fail safes in the world won't help at all.
I think pops is winding down. He has ran his farm for years after we grew up. Has had 3 heart attack (1 @17) was crushed and begged the doctor to not amputate both his legs...he chose to deal with the pain instead. Mom...similar story. I truly have strong good parents.
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