New to the Mech/RDA world, need help/advice

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jg1986

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Just purchased 2 Panasonic 3400 mah. Had this set up for a while now. No problems and I trust the professionals. I'm a happy camper

If you like the way your setup is performing don't change because someone on a forum says there's a possibility that your face will get blown off. Most mods these days have ample venting if a short does occur. Just educate yourself and pay attention to your batteries performance. I run a dual coiled igo-w at 0.3 ohms on an El Kapitian mod. I did my research, asked questions at my local vape shop, and payed attention to my batteries performance while vaping, and I my mod has yet to get hot. The only part of my device that does get hot is the top cap of the atomizer which is from the chain vaping and the coils heating up.
 

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There are a few cases - probably not as many as people may think.

Still, if there is just one case, then that is enough to practice and help reinforce battery safety.

I'm also of the opinion that the danger of battery venting / failure is maybe over-stated a little on the forums, but I think it's good that we try to impart some respect and research to the battery safety aspect of vaping.
On the other hand, if it were so dangerous, then the incidences of failure and injury would be much more common-place.

That all said, building a .38 ohm coil for a brand new vaper cannot ever be construed as sensible in my opinion and should not be encouraged even if they have the best batteries and charger available.

Flame away, because I know I will probably catch some heat for not running around and saying the sky is falling in.

I really think this is the moral of the story.


OP, please go back to that vape shop and ask them to rebuild your coils with another wrap.

That should put you closer to the safe limitations of your battery. It'll probably taste better too.
 

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If you like the way your setup is performing don't change because someone on a forum says there's a possibility that your face will get blown off. Most mods these days have ample venting if a short does occur. Just educate yourself and pay attention to your batteries performance. I run a dual coiled igo-w at 0.3 ohms on an El Kapitian mod. I did my research, asked questions at my local vape shop, and payed attention to my batteries performance while vaping, and I my mod has yet to get hot. The only part of my device that does get hot is the top cap of the atomizer which is from the chain vaping and the coils heating up.

After I said all that, I totally disagree with this post. I would say if you are happy with the way your setup is performing and you do some research into how safe and stable it is then don't change.

If something is pumping out 50+ watts that close to my face, I am going to figure out if it is stable and safe. Why wouldn't you? Just because you don't want to be wrong on an internet forum?
 

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I really can't see how at 44 watt uncomfortably hot vape, that gets your mod hot, destroys the lifespan of your battery can be enjoyable... But that's just me.

By the way, getting over the amp limit of your battery even deadon it will reduce your overall battery life, that might just be a guy on a forum that says it.... But it is still a fact. If you don't care about that... Be my guest.
 

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Hi everyone,
I am very new to the mechanical mod/rda setup and am looking for your thoughts, if you'd be so kind.

So I recently went to a local vape shop looking to make the switch from my evic and 901 drip atty to a mech mod with an rda. I ended up getting the Private V2 with the Trident RDA and got an IGO-W for a backup. The shop set me up with dual coils (3 wraps each) at 0.38 ohm and I am using an AW IMR 18650 battery.

Right from the beginning I loved puffing clouds of vapor, but as expected the mod and rda were getting noticeably hot and so I would just let it cool off before continuing. All has been well, but after reading through some of the sub-ohm threads, I am kind of nervous now...

Is my setup as dangerous as some make it sound? What's a safe ohm to be at but with a similar experience? I think I read that you shouldn't go below 0.8 ohm... is that true? If so, what does a 0.8 ohm dual coil setup entail (ie. gauge, length, # of wraps with the kanthal)?

I really appreciate your input/experience.

At first, I thought this setup was "normal" - vape shops in the area seem to be setting people up at sub-ohms fairly regularly...

It's all about what you prefer. When I first made the switch from vv/vw to mechanical mods, I would read all the sub-ohm bashing threads. It scared me a little at first; however, I am glad it didn't scare me to the point of not trying it out myself. I run an igo-w dual coils at 0.3 ohms, and it's my preferred all day vape. I suggest doing some research and educating yourself before you decide to take everybody else's word for it. Sub-ohm vaping is not the norm, but it is gaining popularity. I have been around people who have been vaping for years and never have I heard a story of someone blowing their face off. I hope you decide to make the decision solely on your own research because I have seen a lot of sub-ohm bashing on this forum, and I would hate to see someone get discouraged because of others opinions. I will tell you that I have been in your shoes and felt the same way. If you could describe the area where the mod is getting hot, I can tell you if that is normal. When chain vaping, my device heats up around the atomizer top cap. This is normal.

Do some research and base the decision on how you feel, not how others view this style of vaping.
 

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If you don't know why people worry about this trend, you shouldn't be doing it. That said, it's probably ok with those batts if you monitor them closely - they can pulse over 10A (at least the cgh pannys can - I haven't checked the specs on others recently).
But there is some risk, and you should do some reading before doing this - especially with no protection circuit. I only use protected, regulated mods for this kind of thing.

I'm finding micro coils perform better for me then these tiny ohm builds anyway...

I certainly wouldn't let someone else build me this setup on a mech. Their face isn't taking the risk - yours is.

eta: actually your hand is more likely to take damage then your face. And your mod :)
 
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I really can't see how at 44 watt uncomfortably hot vape, that gets your mod hot, destroys the lifespan of your battery can be enjoyable... But that's just me.

By the way, getting over the amp limit of your battery even deadon it will reduce your overall battery life, that might just be a guy on a forum that says it.... But it is still a fact. If you don't care about that... Be my guest.

It's not an uncomfortably hot vape at all. Actually, with the air holes drilled out to 7/64 its quite cool.
 

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I'd imagine that thing got pretty darn hot before it burst into flames...

Geesh, why even go there to begin with? :rolleyes:

The big vapor production can't be worth the risks involved. Read the links supplied in this thread to see what more experienced vapors have to say about sub ohm vaping.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't force it to drink it. Do what you may for yourself, but please don't encourage others to practice unsafe vaping.
 

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It's not an uncomfortably hot vape at all. Actually, with the air holes drilled out to 7/64 its quite cool.

+1

I wouldn't want to run that kind of wattage for an extended period of time, i.e. firing unnoticed in my coat pocket, but for quick 2-3 second bursts I'm not the slightest bit worried.
 

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It's all about what you prefer. When I first made the switch from vv/vw to mechanical mods, I would read all the sub-ohm bashing threads. It scared me a little at first; however, I am glad it didn't scare me to the point of not trying it out myself. I run an igo-w dual coils at 0.3 ohms, and it's my preferred all day vape. I suggest doing some research and educating yourself before you decide to take everybody else's word for it. Sub-ohm vaping is not the norm, but it is gaining popularity. I have been around people who have been vaping for years and never have I heard a story of someone blowing their face off. I hope you decide to make the decision solely on your own research because I have seen a lot of sub-ohm bashing on this forum, and I would hate to see someone get discouraged because of others opinions. I will tell you that I have been in your shoes and felt the same way. If you could describe the area where the mod is getting hot, I can tell you if that is normal. When chain vaping, my device heats up around the atomizer top cap. This is normal.

Do some research and base the decision on how you feel, not how others view this style of vaping.

Go ahead, drive your car at 200 mph... Its all about what you prefer.
 

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Geesh, why even go there to begin with? :rolleyes:

The big vapor production can't be worth the risks involved. Read the links supplied in this thread to see what more experienced vapors have to say about sub ohm vaping.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't force it to drink it. Do what you may for yourself, but please don't encourage others to practice unsafe vaping.


I was only saying that because Steam Turbine shared a link to a story of a woman carrying some equipment in a wire-frame eyeglass case in her coat pocket that suffered a catastrophic battery failure.

Much different than actively vaping on a sub-ohm setup that's getting 'too hot to handle' so-to-speak.
 

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I was only saying that because Steam Turbine shared a link to a story of a woman carrying some equipment in a wire-frame eyeglass case in her coat pocket that suffered a catastrophic battery failure.

Much different than actively vaping on a sub-ohm setup that's getting 'too hot to handle' so-to-speak.

So there is no way that a utra sub ohm can fire in your pocket?
 

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Go ahead, drive your car at 200 mph... Its all about what you prefer.

There will always be that group of people who want to push the limits. Did you talk about how unsafe it was for the guy to parachute from space? It's all about personal preference. I am not encouraging anybody to jump into sub-ohm vaping. I am simply suggesting they do the research on their own and make a decision based on their research and how they feel. Sub-ohm vaping isn't for everybody, but I would hate to see someone get discouraged because they decided to take an opinion from someone who doesn't prefer it.
 

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Hi everyone,
I am very new to the mechanical mod/rda setup and am looking for your thoughts, if you'd be so kind.

So I recently went to a local vape shop looking to make the switch from my evic and 901 drip atty to a mech mod with an rda. I ended up getting the Private V2 with the Trident RDA and got an IGO-W for a backup. The shop set me up with dual coils (3 wraps each) at 0.38 ohm and I am using an AW IMR 18650 battery.

Right from the beginning I loved puffing clouds of vapor, but as expected the mod and rda were getting noticeably hot and so I would just let it cool off before continuing. All has been well, but after reading through some of the sub-ohm threads, I am kind of nervous now...

Is my setup as dangerous as some make it sound? What's a safe ohm to be at but with a similar experience? I think I read that you shouldn't go below 0.8 ohm... is that true? If so, what does a 0.8 ohm dual coil setup entail (ie. gauge, length, # of wraps with the kanthal)?

I really appreciate your input/experience.

At first, I thought this setup was "normal" - vape shops in the area seem to be setting people up at sub-ohms fairly regularly...

wrong link..
 

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So there is no way that a utra sub ohm can fire in your pocket?


Well, for starters, I wouldn't be carrying my equipment in a wire-framed case.

I've also never experienced a misfire because I know that the thing(s) I'm carrying in my pockets are dangerous.

Also, recessed switch:
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By the way... I had 2 efest imr 18650 that I over discharged because I didnt know any better and they died... They dont work anymore cause i was lucky enough to have been sold good batteries and a good charger. Have I not have good stuff, My battery could have gone berserk.

Please educate yourself about battery safety before going ultra low ohms.. Its just common sence... Like putting on a helmet before going to race your motorbike.

And for god sakes! don't encourage unsafe behavior without any kind of warning or good standard practice recommendations.
 

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By the way... I had 2 efest imr 18650 that I over discharged because I didnt know any better and they died... They dont work anymore cause i was lucky enough to have been sold good batteries and a good charger. Have I not have good stuff, My battery could have gone berserk.

Please educate yourself about battery safety before going ultra low ohms.. Its just common sence... Like putting on a helmet before going to race your motorbike.

And for god sakes! don't encourage unsafe behavior without any kind of warning or good standard practice recommendations.

For mechanical mods, I recommend either AW IMR batteries or MNKE batteries...
 
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