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1% is 10mg per ml - so a total of 300mg in a 30ml bottle
3% is 30mg per ml - so a total of 900mg in a 30ml bottle
6% is 60mg per ml - so a total of 1800mg in a 30ml bottle
Thanks - my apologies. I did not upload my excel chart and typed it all wrong --lol. I meant to say ....for a 30ML bottle
1.2% (12mg) is 360
.6% (6mg) is 180
.3 % (3mg) is 90

I know there are differing opinions about how much is truly absorbed. I am at the .3 or lower at 10 to 15 ml per day. At a high of 15ml per day vaped that is a total of 45mg of nic with maybe 25% - 35% absorbed? So I am somewhere between 11 to just under 16 mg of nic per day.

I used to smoke Marlboro Reds at approximately 1.2 mg nic per analog cigarette and I smoked a minimum of 40 (48mg per day) so I am doing pretty well vaping. Cut my nic by two thirds and got rid of all the other nasty junk in analogs.
 
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I smoked 2 pks a day of full Flavored camels for over 30 years. When I started vaping 24mg nic was high strength and 36mg was extra high. The 36 kept me off of the stink sticks for 7 years. I am a lazy vaper, just kept ordering the same juice. Back then there was no sub ohming. My 1.5~1.7 boge cartos were pretty low.
I think I could go down to 6mg or less pretty easily. I vape 1.5 ohms @ 10 watts and 5mls a day. I just had a chest xray and exam last week and my lungs are clear.
Whatever works for you works for you, I smoked 40-60 a day for about 15 years and less before that, started on 18mg but quickly moved down to 12mg after I got the Subtank Mini, then down to 6mg after a while, then down to 3mg, then 1.5mg then 0mg, then back to 3mg. It wasn't enough for me I wanted a bit more but 6mg was too much so I went to 4mg and it was almost perfect so I adusted to 4.1mg and that's just perfect for me... Have been on 4.1mg for about 6 months now..
 

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Whatever works for you works for you, I smoked 40-60 a day for about 15 years and less before that, started on 18mg but quickly moved down to 12mg after I got the Subtank Mini, then down to 6mg after a while, then down to 3mg, then 1.5mg then 0mg, then back to 3mg. It wasn't enough for me I wanted a bit more but 6mg was too much so I went to 4mg and it was almost perfect so I adusted to 4.1mg and that's just perfect for me... Have been on 4.1mg for about 6 months now..
Do you have a liquid that has exactly 4.1mg in it ?
 
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Do you have a liquid that has exactly 4.1mg in it ?
Yeah I diy. I mix a liter at a time. My Last Batches.

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Diy for me feels like i get diffrent levels of nicotine at a time
When i mix for example 6mg with 0mg i feel like i do like 6 puffs get barely anything then 1 puff that kicks me hard
How do you mix it right?
immersion blender right in my mason jar, then I warm it to about 30C, after that I shake it every 2-3 days for about 3 weeks while it steeps.
 

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Diy for me feels like i get different levels of nicotine at a time
When i mix for example 6mg with 0mg i feel like i do like 6 puffs get barely anything then 1 puff that kicks me hard
How do you mix it right?
I am not an avid juice DIY-er yet, however, I continue to step down by mixing 2 premade ejuices -same flavor (usually) with different nic levels to get to a lower level of nic. I stepped down from .6 to .3 by mixing 3/4ths of .6 premade e juice with 1/4 of 0 nic premade ejuice to bring my level down to .45 (4.5mg) and then stepped down lower and lower.

I was at that level for a awhile so I used a glass jar that I marked off with two lines (after I first measured it). There was extra room in the jar and I just shook it vigorously, left it overnight shook it again and after that transferred to the smaller bottles.

LOVE the idea of the immersion blender
 
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I am not an avid juice DIY-er yet, however, I continue to step down by mixing 2 premade ejuices -same flavor (usually) with different nic levels to get to a lower level of nic. I stepped down from .6 to .3 by mixing 3/4ths of .6 premade e juice with 1/4 of 0 nic premade ejuice to bring my level down to .45 (4.5mg) and then stepped down lower and lower.

I was at that level for a awhile so I used a glass jar that I marked off with two lines (after I first measured it). There was extra room in the jar and I just shook it vigorously, left it overnight shook it again and after that transferred to the smaller bottles.

LOVE the idea of the immersion blender
Whatever works for you works for you, I smoked 40-60 a day for about 15 years and less before that, started on 18mg but quickly moved down to 12mg after I got the Subtank Mini, then down to 6mg after a while, then down to 3mg, then 1.5mg then 0mg, then back to 3mg. It wasn't enough for me I wanted a bit more but 6mg was too much so I went to 4mg and it was almost perfect so I adusted to 4.1mg and that's just perfect for me... Have been on 4.1mg for about 6 months now..
should i try to go down from 6MG to 4.5MG after only one month of vaping ?(when my juice is going to be out it is going to be a month of vaping)
i know everyone told me i shouldnt rush it but i just feel so ....ing sick of being addicted
i enjoy it and at the same time so ....ing tired and wanna get rid of it....
 
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@UrNsFace You can do whatever you wish. Personally, I'd take it slower rather than faster. One month vaping is not very long. Having said that, going from 6mg down to 4.5mg is not that great of a leap.

Your primary mission here is to be free of tobacco. Period. I'm not suggesting any frame of time to begin weaning yourself from nicotine, as I believe it all depends upon the individual.
 
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Whatever works for you works for you, I smoked 40-60 a day for about 15 years and less before that, started on 18mg but quickly moved down to 12mg after I got the Subtank Mini, then down to 6mg after a while, then down to 3mg, then 1.5mg then 0mg, then back to 3mg. It wasn't enough for me I wanted a bit more but 6mg was too much so I went to 4mg and it was almost perfect so I adusted to 4.1mg and that's just perfect for me... Have been on 4.1mg for about 6 months now..

4.1... compared to 4.0... wow... I don't think I'll ever be that accurate, nor could I tell that minute of a difference. As a reference to regular cigarettes, that would be like saying I smoked 40 cigarettes per day but 41 was perfect.
 
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should i try to go down from 6MG to 4.5MG after only one month of vaping ?(when my juice is going to be out it is going to be a month of vaping)
i know everyone told me i shouldnt rush it but i just feel so ....ing sick of being addicted
i enjoy it and at the same time so ....ing tired and wanna get rid of it....

Well, if I am understanding your comments correctly I would think that maybe right now you are not getting enough of nicotine which is why you always want to pick up your vape. Here's my thoughts on this.

If you are wanting to vape right away after 5 minutes (after smoking a cig?) then maybe you are not satisfied because 6 light cigarettes (in my opinion) is not that much so you would not be smoking a regular cig super frequently. If you are wanting to vape right after vaping without smoking any regular cigs then you are for sure not getting enough nicotine to satisfy you.

You say you were smoking about 6 "light" cigarettes. I am not sure exactly what kind you were smoking so I am basing it is off a Marlboro light. Each Marlboro light has between .5 and .6 mg of nicotine per cigarette (depending on the region where you live)

So...that means you were getting approximately 3mg of nicotine per day from analog cigarettes.

You are now using ejuice with 6mg of nicotine and using one 2.5ml tank.

That means you are vaping approximately 15 mg of nicotine per day. BUT ----it is widely accepted and believed that you absorb approximately 25% to 35% of total nicotine vaped so..... you would absorb somewhere between 3.75 and 5.25mg of nicotine which is less than what you are smoking and you might be feeling the effects since it is less than what you are used to. Please remember that if you are still smoking you have to adjust that figure and it would be a bit higher.

Since your goal is to quit --I take that to mean 0 nicotine and perhaps not even vape then you have to decide your strategy. You can either stay where you are now and/or decrease even further and face it that you will have to suffer a bit or you can formulate a strategy using vaping. And there are a few different ways you can go --YOU have to decide.

If it were me -- and my goal is to get to zero (which it is actually) I would step down super slowly to minimize any cravings. In your case, I would start with 9mg juice (we can help you figure out how to mix 2 juices to get to that level) so that would be more in line with the amount of nicotine you are currently getting, wait until you stabilize and feel OK and then go down to 7.5, then 6, then 4.5, then 3, then 1.5, then maybe .75 and then 0 and stop.

Another strategy is if you feel the vaping and smoking is just more of a habit in that you like having something to "smoke" or vape but do not feel jittery, then you can just try a lower nic amount and vape maybe 2 tanks worth and still not increase your total daily nicotine levels but you would be able to vape more frequently.

Everyone has different needs and there are many ways you can formulate a strategy. Hopefully this info will give you something to think about.
 

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4.1... compared to 4.0... wow... I don't think I'll ever be that accurate, nor could I tell that minute of a difference. As a reference to regular cigarettes, that would be like saying I smoked 40 cigarettes per day but 41 was perfect.
I vape exactly 10ml a day if at the end of the day I feel unsatisfied I increased the nic, when I got to 4.1mg I felt satisfied at the end of the day and 4mg wasn't quite enough and I'd be vaping 11ml more or less..
 
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36MG dude?
wow that seems like .......n throat hit

It depends a lot on your equipment. When I started vaping it was with fixed voltage ego devices, and 24 mg was barely enough- 32 was better.

With modern MTL setups like say a Nautilus 2 with the .6 ohm coil 18mg is about right for me. But, these days I mainly DTL with good RDAs, and I find that 6mg is enough for me with those setups. The difference is mainly in how much juice I go through with the various setups. I’ll vape about 5ml a day in a Natilus, but about 15ml a day in an airy RDA. So it makes sense that I want about a third the nic in the latter.
 
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Also, it is very difficult to figure out how much nic you are getting relative to when you smoked by doing math, because we don’t really understand all the factors involved. It is actually much easier to figure out how much nic you should use through subjective means- I.e. trying different concentrations and observing the effects they produce.

My advice is to not worry too much about getting too much nic. Vaping is not a complete substitute for smoking, especially at first, but when you are initially trying to get completely off smoking I think it helps to kind of OD on nic- at the very least it makes smoking less rewarding. Everyone is different, but my guess is that most people will find the transition from smoking to vaping easiest if they use enough nic that they are close to discomfort from it.

A bit of dizziness and even mild nausea is a small price to pay for getting off smokes. A little nic OD is pretty harmless, but smoking is not. I wouldn’t recommend staying at uncomfortable levels of nic for very long, but for the first week off cigarettes it can be helpful.
 

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but when you are initially trying to get completely off smoking I think it helps to kind of OD on nic-
Definitely agree with this, especially for the first 3-6 months, there's more to cigarettes than just nic and the extra nic makes it a bit more rewarding, Things like the nicotine patch/gum tend to fail after 3-6 months because they taper you off too quick if you follow the instructions, the patch has something like a 3-4% success rate after 6 months and like 2% success after a year, I've seen a lot of people using the patch returning to smoking withing weeks of getting off the patch.

Nicotine isn't the enemy here, smoking tobacco is, take your time!
 

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Definitely agree with this, especially for the first 3-6 months, there's more to cigarettes than just nic and the extra nic makes it a bit more rewarding, Things like the nicotine patch/gum tend to fail after 3-6 months because they taper you off too quick if you follow the instructions, the patch has something like a 3-4% success rate after 6 months and like 2% success after a year, I've seen a lot of people using the patch returning to smoking withing weeks of getting off the patch.

Nicotine isn't the enemy here, smoking tobacco is, take your time!

Yeah, before there was vaping I quit smoking more than once, both cold-turkey and using the patch / gum. I didn’t find those nic replacement methods very useful. In fact, I found quitting with the patch just as hard as quitting cold-turkey.

Vaping, on the other hand, just worked for me. I’m not saying there wasn’t some initial distress involved, but it was manageable. And only lasted for a week or so, where quitting cold-turkey messed me up for months (I did not have a good night’s sleep for the first three months after quitting cold-turkey, and was pretty much just bouncing off the walls when I was awake. I was pretty much a crazy guy for a while there, and it took all my all my qualities as a scholar and a gentleman to not beat random strangers to death for bumping into me on the subway.

I think this has to do with the difference in administration patterns. When you smoke you get to spike your nicotine levels at will, and nicotine addiction is very much about the intentionally controlled ebb and flow of the drug.

The patch, on the other hand, continually distributes a measured amount of nicotine. And I think this misses the point. Addiction is not just about getting a certain amount of a drug over a 24 hour period. It is about getting that drug in varying amounts in the patterns you are used to. Most addicts want spikes of the drug, followed by lulls, followed by spikes. Because that is the pattern we follow when becoming addicted, and it is the pattern of our addiction.

Vaping is, IMHO, the best substitute for smoking yet invented, and I think it is so mainly because it gives the addict the same kind of control they have over titration when smoking. Want more nic? Vape. Have enough nic? Don’t vape.

Smokers turn out to be very good at titration, so much so that “light cigarettes” are pretty much useless, and maybe even counter-productive. A smoker will get the amount of nicotine and other compounds they crave. If you give them a light cigarette they will just smoke more and draw harder. Which might lead, seemingly paradoxically, to somewhat worse outcomes for smokers of light cigarettes than hardcore marb red smokers.

The great thing about vaping is that it allows you to titrate your nicotine consumption in much the same way you did as a smoker, and the nic enters your bloodstream almost as quickly as it would when smoking- I think it’s hard to overemphasize the importance of that point. When I want my nic I want it now.

That said, there are aspects of smoking that vaping cannot replicate. Giving up smoking for vaping is not painless, and I know from reading these forums that it is more painful for some than it was for me. I am inclined to think that going very high nic at first helps.

You might miss a lot of things about smoking, but when you’re close to OD’d on nic lighting a cigarette becomes a kind of disgusting prospect. You’ll light one as a matter of habit and then put it out immediately, because... once you’re OD’d on nic you might not want it.

And that’s the goal. You want quitting to be as effortless as possible. Anything that makes you -want- to avoid cigarettes is worth doing. In my experience keeping yourself close to nauseous from excessive nicotine consumption is a great way to make cigarettes less appealing, and less satisfying.

YMMV, but if you’re having a hard time going from dual use to just vaping I’d at least suggest trying out much higher nic levels, levels so high that they make you uncomfortable. You won’t do yourself any real harm by upping nic levels, but you will do yourself real harm by continuing to smoke.
 

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Yeah, before there was vaping I quit smoking more than once, both cold-turkey and using the patch / gum. I didn’t find those nic replacement methods very useful. In fact, I found quitting with the patch just as hard as quitting cold-turkey.

Vaping, on the other hand, just worked for me. I’m not saying there wasn’t some initial distress involved, but it was manageable. And only lasted for a week or so, where quitting cold-turkey messed me up for months (I did not have a good night’s sleep for the first three months after quitting cold-turkey, and was pretty much just bouncing off the walls when I was awake. I was pretty much a crazy guy for a while there, and it took all my all my qualities as a scholar and a gentleman to not beat random strangers to death for bumping into me on the subway.

I think this has to do with the difference in administration patterns. When you smoke you get to spike your nicotine levels at will, and nicotine addiction is very much about the intentionally controlled ebb and flow of the drug.

The patch, on the other hand, continually distributes a measured amount of nicotine. And I think this misses the point. Addiction is not just about getting a certain amount of a drug over a 24 hour period. It is about getting that drug in varying amounts in the patterns you are used to. Most addicts want spikes of the drug, followed by lulls, followed by spikes. Because that is the pattern we follow when becoming addicted, and it is the pattern of our addiction.

Vaping is, IMHO, the best substitute for smoking yet invented, and I think it is so mainly because it gives the addict the same kind of control they have over titration when smoking. Want more nic? Vape. Have enough nic? Don’t vape.

Smokers turn out to be very good at titration, so much so that “light cigarettes” are pretty much useless, and maybe even counter-productive. A smoker will get the amount of nicotine and other compounds they crave. If you give them a light cigarette they will just smoke more and draw harder. Which might lead, seemingly paradoxically, to somewhat worse outcomes for smokers of light cigarettes than hardcore marb red smokers.

The great thing about vaping is that it allows you to titrate your nicotine consumption in much the same way you did as a smoker, and the nic enters your bloodstream almost as quickly as it would when smoking- I think it’s hard to overemphasize the importance of that point. When I want my nic I want it now.

That said, there are aspects of smoking that vaping cannot replicate. Giving up smoking for vaping is not painless, and I know from reading these forums that it is more painful for some than it was for me. I am inclined to think that going very high nic at first helps.

You might miss a lot of things about smoking, but when you’re close to OD’d on nic lighting a cigarette becomes a kind of disgusting prospect. You’ll light one as a matter of habit and then put it out immediately, because... once you’re OD’d on nic you might not want it.

And that’s the goal. You want quitting to be as effortless as possible. Anything that makes you -want- to avoid cigarettes is worth doing. In my experience keeping yourself close to nauseous from excessive nicotine consumption is a great way to make cigarettes less appealing, and less satisfying.

YMMV, but if you’re having a hard time going from dual use to just vaping I’d at least suggest trying out much higher nic levels, levels so high that they make you uncomfortable. You won’t do yourself any real harm by upping nic levels, but you will do yourself real harm by continuing to smoke.
Vaping just worked for me as well. I know some have really struggled but fortunately I really had no ill effects. I did not dual use - went straight from 2 to 3 packs per day to 100% vaping. I was one of "those people" that nearly always had a cigarette in hand and was a heavy smoker since I was a pre-teen. If I did not have a cigarette for any length of time I was a real witch! I started out with way high nic which I now see was a good move. I also think a large part of it was that I really wanted to stop and was very determined. I know I would not even have tried to quit analogs if it was not for vaping.

I use low nic now and eventually plan on working toward 0.

I LOVE vaping!
 
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