New vapers, go rebuildable...

[Zealous]

The discussion that's come since my comment sort of supports the point I made about the OP. There are so many specific preferences for what one likes in their vape. Some like a Kayfun & find it convenient. Myself, I do not and I've spent enough time with it to know why I prefer something else. Another person likes a dripper and I've used those & know what about them I do & don't like. Some people don't like bottom feeders and/or think regulated mods are best. I love my REO and I'm perfectly happy and safe using it even though it's a mec.

I have found a set up that works nicely for me & I also at times use a device that uses prebuilt coils although it's not my main vape. But what new vapers really need to do is take some time and sort out what works & doesn't work for them. If the simplicity of a prebuilt coil device works great for their needs then there is no reason to move to a more self sustaining set up quickly unless that's a goal for them. And if someone finds that they like working with rebuildables and/or making their own eliquids, that's great too & I hope they enjoy doing it & finding their perfect vape that way.

But I don't think someone who chooses to use what's convenient is using a lazy product. There's nothing wrong with being happy with the advancements that have taken place with vape products over the years. I personally think vaping has come a long way since I started and these new products wouldn't be here if everyone just decided they needed to make their own coils & eliquids as soon as possible.

 

[Oberon75]

Yeah...but not everyone has a regulated device. The OP suggests newbies explore a hobby where dangerous circumstances can exist without the knowledge of knowing how to avoid those circumstances.

YOUR mod won't fire.....and that's good. But not everyone has your mod.

Well building or not. I wouldn't recommend an unregulated mod to any beginner.

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[2legsshrt]

My advice to new vapers is go to tasteyourjuice.com. Do some reading on starting out and watch lots of videos on YouTube.

 

[2legsshrt]

I would love to try Castle Long Reserve but at $40 for 30ml not likely

 

[Oberon75]

The discussion that's come since my comment sort of supports the point I made about the OP. There are so many specific preferences for what one likes in their vape. Some like a Kayfun & find it convenient. Myself, I do not and I've spent enough time with it to know why I prefer something else. Another person likes a dripper and I've used those & know what about them I do & don't like. Some people don't like bottom feeders and/or think regulated mods are best. I love my REO and I'm perfectly happy and safe using it even though it's a mec.

I have found a set up that works nicely for me & I also at times use a device that uses prebuilt coils although it's not my main vape. But what new vapers really need to do is take some time and sort out what works & doesn't work for them. If the simplicity of a prebuilt coil device works great for their needs then there is no reason to move to a more self sustaining set up quickly unless that's a goal for them. And if someone finds that they like working with rebuildables and/or making their own eliquids, that's great too & I hope they enjoy doing it & finding their perfect vape that way.

But I don't think someone who chooses to use what's convenient is using a lazy product. There's nothing wrong with being happy with the advancements that have taken place with vape products over the years. I personally think vaping has come a long way since I started and these new products wouldn't be here if everyone just decided they needed to make their own coils & eliquids as soon as possible.

I don't think they are lazy either but what I do think is, since not everybody is incapable of building or using anything more then a simple mod in the beginning, we shouldn't just be recommending the most simple of devices to everybody like the majority here does since everybody is different.

I've pretty much quit recommending things in the new members section because anything I feel somebody could handle is instantly overrided with the same flood of MVP 2.0 or iStick recommendations with a Nautilus.

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[Zealous]

I would love to try Castle Long Reserve but at $40 for 30ml not likely

I'm with you on that one. I've gotten 1 bottle of it 1 time & I love it. But it's one I save for when I want something special and different from my other eliquids. It's a treat.

 

[Zealous]

I don't think they are lazy either but what I do think is, since not everybody is incapable of building or using anything more then a simple mod in the beginning, we shouldn't just be recommending the most simple of devices to everybody like the majority here does since everybody is different.

I've pretty much quit recommending things in the new members section because anything I feel somebody could handle is instantly overrided with the same flood of MVP 2.0 or iStick recommendations with a Nautilus.

I rarely recommend things unless someone has provided enough information about they are interested in. Most people here are either too vague in what they know about vaping or they're interested in something I know nothing about. It's hard to recommend things to people you don't know irl.

 

[Oberon75]

I rarely recommend things unless someone has provided enough information about they are interested in. Most people here are either too vague in what they know about vaping or they're interested in something I know nothing about. It's hard to recommend things to people you don't know irl.

That's why I try to get more info. Pretty hard to do though when the entire community already has the person convinced to buy an iStick or MVP. To me it's like telling every new cell phone user to just buy a flip phone.

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[Firestorm]

I rarely recommend things unless someone has provided enough information about they are interested in. Most people here are either too vague in what they know about vaping or they're interested in something I know nothing about. It's hard to recommend things to people you don't know irl.

I don't make recommendations on new gear for beginners because I am so out of touch with what is now available in that category, rarely do they post enough information on their preferences (or have enough experience to have formed opinions), and there are so many members here who are quick to offer good and sometimes questionable advice that my opinion wouldn't matter anyway. I once recommended that someone interested in getting it to rebuildables start with an RDA because I believe that they are simpler to understand and easier to build than an RTA and someone immediately rebuked me for being a dripper fan boy (which I'm really not - I prefer tanks) and instead recommended a Genesis style atomizer and bragged that she mastered it after only five weeks of vaping (who knows if she had someone walk her through it or if she was solely reliant on the internet like many of us are for learning). People can be very opinionated about the gear that works for them and some can be nasty if your opinions don't jibe with theirs.

 

[Oberon75]

I don't make recommendations on new gear for beginners because I am so out of touch with what is now available in that category, rarely do they post enough information on their preferences (or have enough experience to have formed opinions), and there are so many members here who are quick to offer good and sometimes questionable advice that my opinion wouldn't matter anyway. I once recommended that someone interested in getting it to rebuildables start with an RDA because I believe that they are simpler to understand and easier to build than an RTA and someone immediately rebuked me for being a dripper fan boy (which I'm really not - I prefer tanks) and instead recommended a Genesis style atomizer and bragged that she mastered it after only five weeks of vaping (who knows if she had someone walk her through it or if she was solely reliant on the internet like many of us are for learning). People can be very opinionated about the gear that works for them and some can be nasty if your opinions don't jibe with theirs.

You are right about RDA's and they are definitely easier to build then an RTA. I successfully built one on my very first attempt. My Kayfun on the other hand gave me a headache and I could never get it to wick properly even after spending hours watching videos and through trial & error.

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[2legsshrt]

I'm with you on that one. I've gotten 1 bottle of it 1 time & I love it. But it's one I save for when I want something special and different from my other eliquids. It's a treat.

Lucky it was like that with another and since I have CRS I know it was an RY4 oh yeah it was Backwoods Brew. I was lucky enough to get 1 bottle before he stopped making it something about not being able to get a certain vanilla he used but it was really good.

 

[2legsshrt]

You are right about RDA's and they are definitely easier to build then an RTA. I successfully built one on my very first attempt. My Kayfun on the other hand gave me a headache and I could never get it to wick properly even after spending hours watching videos and through trial & error.

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Yep they are like that at first but once you get it you get it. Now I can recoil and rewick one in about 15min. I just use my old stand by coil and once its in it is good for a couple of months. Have to rewick every couple of weeks or so. Just have to remember they are not made for subohming. Best between a 1.2-1.8ohm coil they just don't have the airflow for subohming. You can get a kit for the V4 which at the price should be included but its not.

 

[2legsshrt]

You know the problem with juices is there are so many out there and one persons taste is just that one persons taste. I have tried some that someone says is the best thing since canned beer and I hated it. OOps $20 or more down the tube. I think the way to find out about juice is go to a Vape Show with a dripper and a pocket full of cotton and try them I just can't get over how many different brands of juice there is now. Wouldn't even know where to start.

 

[Firestorm]

I think the way to find out about juice is go to a Vape Show with a dripper and a pocket full of cotton and try them I just can't get over how many different brands of juice there is now.

I went to Vape Bash 2 two years ago and brought a bunch of dripping atomizers and tried a whole bunch of liquids using my own mod. One year later at Vape Bash 3 all of the vendors had mods with Clearomizers for public use with drip tip "condoms" for people to sample. Some looked at me very strangely when I wanted to drip samples onto my own gear.

 

[Grimwald]

OK, this is coming from a guy that stopped buying stuff long ago. I use a 18650 Joytech ego T mod. You may not have heard of these as they went out of production a couple of years ago. I have supplemented those with evic easy heads which work the same. I rebuild evod tanks and also use a Kayfun lite..not a v2, v3, v4...just the original. I occasionally use an Igo-L that is well over a year old. I also vape straight unflavored liquid. Most of the time I don't have the slightest idea what you are all talking about. Dna this, 50 watt that, subohm something or other...in one ear out the other.

I will say this. If I needed to diy and rebuild when I started vaping, I would still be smoking. I believe that most smokers want something easy and foolproof when they start and will then progress as far as they desire. Some will be satisfied with simple, some will progress to whatever it is you guys talk about.

 

[2legsshrt]

True but I also think the majority of us are regulated. I mean most of the talk in the new members section as well as the general sections are about iSticks, MVP's Sigelei, iPV, DNA, etc.

I don't recommend a mech to new vapers and I don't believe that even a lot of seasoned vapers should be using them. Ive never owned a mech and probably never will. I always want that safety net.

I just think of the hassle vaping was for me in the beginning and that would have been much more simplified with a low maintenance rebuildable. I could have bought a Vapor Flask with all the money I wasted.

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Ever since I got my first Provari way back when I never went back. When I started thats all there was was mechs but I have friends who are seasoned vapers that swear by Mechs. It's all a matter of choice. I have found that just because you like them doesn't mean everyone will and visa versa. I kind of just go with the flow. If they would have had regulated when I started I would have saved a lot of money because I fried a lot of cartos and attys. I have a $200 GG that makes a pretty good door stop. The only mech I have that I still break out every 3 months or so is a Provape 1. That one I got while I was getting impatient waiting for the Provari to come out. What ever it takes to keep you off of cigarettes is ok in my book. They do make some really pretty mechs but its weird I have really gotten into box mods. I still have 4 Provaris sitting on the table next to my chair but the ones I grab the most are my rDNA40 and SXmini.

 

[2legsshrt]

OK, this is coming from a guy that stopped buying stuff long ago. I use a 18650 Joytech ego T mod. You may not have heard of these as they went out of production a couple of years ago. I have supplemented those with evic easy heads which work the same. I rebuild evod tanks and also use a Kayfun lite..not a v2, v3, v4...just the original. I occasionally use an Igo-L that is well over a year old. I also vape straight unflavored liquid. Most of the time I don't have the slightest idea what you are all talking about. Dna this, 50 watt that, subohm something or other...in one ear out the other.

I will say this. If I needed to diy and rebuild when I started vaping, I would still be smoking. I believe that most smokers want something easy and foolproof when they start and will then progress as far as they desire. Some will be satisfied with simple, some will progress to whatever it is you guys talk about.

Hey whatever works for you. It has become a hobby for me but I have noticed that when you have what most consider the best you kind of quit looking to buy just looking to see what's new. The really good ones last forever but the industry has changed so much over the last couple of years. I enjoy keeping up with what is going on. Things keep getting better and more efficient. Now the govt wants their cut seeing how much people are spending. The tobacco companies are getting into it

 

[wawiv22]

I started with a Nautilus, after having it for about a week and having it always leak through the airflow holes I went to a kayfun, about two weeks after that I moved to a Mutation X V2, V3. The building deck is MUCH easier to build on. Highly recommended rebuildables, much cheaper in the long run I think. I am an electrical engineering student so I like all the wiring, power stuff and working with my hands on something that at first I want to chuck across the room sometimes, but with practice it's so fulfilling to get it right especially after being frustrated before!

+1 new vapers, move to rebuildables!

 

[NealBJr]

-1 for the starting someone off on RBAs. First, let them get off the killer cigarettes. That is the #1 goal of most Ecig users. if you make it too complicated for them, then they'll go back to regular cigarettes, and that'll kill them in the long run. Once they're vaping, they can decide whether or not to quit vaping all together, or continue vaping and move it to "hobby status". THATS when I recommend an RBA. For the people that say new users should go straight to RBA's, well, they're outright wrong. New users should go straight to ecigs... hobbyists should go straight to RBA's. My mother in law still uses Cigalikes, she kicked her 40+ year habit, and that works for her. I have went to RBAs and RTAs, mech mods, 100w mod, and that works for me.

Find out what works... start simple and easy. what works for you may not work for me. and what works for me won't work for everyone.

 

[Mellowbuzz]

It’s troubling to me that on a forum that stresses safety so profoundly, we’ve got a thread suggesting inexperienced vapers go with rebuildables.

Particularly at a time when we’ve got another active thread about what can happen when things go wrong.

+1 new vapers, move to rebuildables!

I would think an electrical engineering student would know how dangerous this hobby can be with someone inexperienced. Smh