New vapers, go rebuildable...

[defdock]

...but anything can go wrong. Rebuildable coils aren't the only ones that can be wonky; bought coils, or coils you just replace as in Protanks can be off, as well. A regulated mod can catch on fire, but then so can egos, with their subpar chargers, and so can our beloved cellphones, laptops, and tablets. Planes crash and drivers text on the roads. You literally can't hand a plate of food to a friend with 100% certainty that they'll survive the experience; they might choke.

My main worry about introducing a new vaper to a rebuildable even with pre-made, good coils is that they might think it's too much of a hassle. You stick the ends through the posts and tighten the screws, making sure it's the right distance from the walls and the posts, and positioned right. You measure resistance, clip the ends, test fire, reposition again, maybe tweeze a bit to take care of hot legs, uneven firing, then insert wick, then wet the wick. It's not a lot of work, but it's a bit more work than just screwing in a new head.

not fighting that argument either.

but the simple fact is - you have to LEARN - and you point out howmuch you yourself have learned - which is good, YOU know how to do it.

alot of new vapors are trying to skip everything learning wise, and "just get to the damn clouds already" - which is where some of these accidents/headlines are coming from.


taking the time to understand what your doing, helps alot and can help avoid these "accidents" 99% of the time.

 

[Darryl Licht]

Most people will recommend easy stuff to new vapers.

Unfortunately. easy or lazy vaping costs a ton of money. Disposable coil attys are a good easy way to start vaping. Nautilus mini with the new 2015 cotton big juice holes on the coil are amazing. But please transition to sustainable vaping asap. Sustainable vaping means utilizing a rebuildable atty versus a disposable atty coil. Also learn to brew your own e-juice. A gallon of flavored juice can be made for 30 bucks or less.

I think this is an irresponsible way of thinking and poor advice for a newb to be giving to other newbs. Many new vapers lack the knowledge to properly do either.

Beyond the technical know how needed and the dangers of a newb rebuilding, how would a newb know what flavors they like in order to DIY? So you'd rather a newb make a gallon of juice that was unvapable and have to dispose of that? Da da da dom! Or a newb rebuild a coil wrong and blow a mod up in their face?

I understand you Bay Area "green" types... and I sympathize that mother earth is under attack and that man is a virus on this planet. But your advice is just so wrong on so many fronts.

Now, if that new vaper is a technical person who possesses the tools and skills needed, then hell yes take a jump into the rebuild pond. There are vapers here who have vaped for years and still don't rebuild or diy. Some try it and don't like it, or they don't have the skills/dexterity to do so properly.

I would advise this to a new vaper who has transitioned from cigalikes to APV's: Buy a clearo that allows both the use of premade coils and a rebuildable section. Definitely try the RBA section several times (after learning here what tends to work best on the one you purchased) and see if rebuilding is for you!

 

[Oberon75]

but is the idiot, smart enough to realize the coil shouldnt touch the walls of said atty? , or to makesure the leads are finger tight, or not protruding backwards/unclipped and touching walls? not everybody has common sence. thing have to be taught/learned - expecialy when it comes to electricty and "explosive" lithium batteries.



there are plenty of stories, but "headlining news" no, as w/e APV has proper battery venting ect. APVs do fail, but commonly do not end in explostions such as mechs(due to the solid metal tube expanding). these explosions are what the news focus on, as many stories are out on the clouper minis catching fire, did any make it to the headline of the news? not that ive seen.

I'm not just talking about headlines though. I've never seen a incident posted anywhere.

With all the people using RDA's on Sigelei, iPV, DNA, etc mods, we would be hearing about this stuff yet we don't. And like I said. Using tanks with stock coils, I've come across a lot of bad coils. For some reason though, these are perfectly fine for a new vaper. Building your own isn't though.

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[Goyo]

I think this is an irresponsible way of thinking and poor advice for a newb to be giving to other newbs. Many new vapers lack the knowledge to properly do either.

Beyond the technical know how needed and the dangers of a newb rebuilding, how would a newb know what flavors they like in order to DIY? So you'd rather a newb make a gallon of juice that was unvapable and have to dispose of that? Da da da dom! Or a newb rebuild a coil wrong and blow a mod up in their face?

I understand you Bay Area "green" types... and I sympathize that mother earth is under attack and that man is a virus on this planet. But your advice is just so wrong on so many fronts.

Now, if that new vaper is a technical person who possesses the tools and skills needed, then hell yes take a jump into the rebuild pond. There are vapers here who have vaped for years and still don't rebuild or diy. Some try it and don't like it, or they don't have the skills/dexterity to do so properly.

I would advise this to a new vaper who has transitioned from cigalikes to APV's: Buy a clearo that allows both the use of premade coils and a rebuildable section. Definitely try the RBA section several times (after learning here what tends to work best on the one you purchased) and see if rebuilding is for you!

One of the reasons I posted this is to hopefully influencing you vet vapers to change your recommendations to new vapers. Do you think a new vaper wants the hassle of needing to upgrade their vape hardware two or three times before they find something doesn't annoy them or make them feel cheated?

Edit: Chances are, if a person is reading these forums they are already somewhat informed and not completely new. Stop treating adults with kid gloves.

 

[Mellowbuzz]

The reason I posted this is to hopefully influencing you vet vapers to change your recommendations to new vapers. Do you think a new vaper wants the hassle of needing to upgrade their vape hardware two or three times before they find something doesn't annoy them or make them feel cheated?

That's the subject of the whole thread, OP. Did you read the replies? You're asking vet vapers to recommend advanced hardware to newbies. I don't think most vets will do that without knowing the person has the basic mechanical skills and knowledge of basic safety precautions to avoid mishaps/accidents.

The "hassle of needing to upgrade their vape hardware two or three times " is part of the learning process. You have to walk before you can run. It might be a "hassle" to you, but for others, it's a learning process that helps them avoid making the story on the 5 o'clock news.

 

[MrVibes]

Just for giggles, I Googled "list of e-cigs blowing up". Would you believe 9,290,000 hits?!

And-NO, I'm not going to read them all.

99% of those results are unrelated to what you searched for..... Guess u have no knowledge about SEO

 

[defdock]

I'm not just talking about headlines though. I've never seen a incident posted anywhere.

With all the people using RDA's on Sigelei, iPV, DNA, etc mods, we would be hearing about this stuff yet we don't. And like I said. Using tanks with stock coils, I've come across a lot of bad coils. For some reason though, these are perfectly fine for a new vaper. Building your own isn't though.

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there are enough posted here on ECF just gotta take the time to look for them.

 

[raitizz]

Whoa... this thread has evolved....

Regards,
R

 

[Goyo]

That's the subject of the whole thread, OP. Did you read the replies? You're asking vet vapers to recommend advanced hardware to newbies. I don't think most vets will do that without knowing the person has the basic mechanical skills and knowledge of basic safety precautions to avoid mishaps/accidents.

Of course I did, did you read my OP where I said "transition to" NOT "buy outright crazy stuff as your first purchase?"

Of course everyone has their opinions and safety first is a good rule. With that said, I see a lot of recommendations for stuff that in my brief experience are a waste of time and money. Cigalikes, disposable atty/clearo/glasso are a waste of time and money IMHO.

Subtank mini and an istick. There, a simple recommendation to a new user that has a great wealth of possibilities and a rebiuildable option from the get go.

 

[Darryl Licht]

One of the reasons I posted this is to hopefully influencing you vet vapers to change your recommendations to new vapers. Do you think a new vaper wants the hassle of needing to upgrade their vape hardware two or three times before they find something doesn't annoy them or make them feel cheated?

Edit: Chances are, if a person is reading these forums they are already somewhat informed and not completely new. Stop treating adults with kid gloves.

Doesn't change the fact that your advice to all new vapers is bad advice. Your experience with the coils is probably due to the fact that sometimes you got authentics and sometimes you got clones, or clones of clones! Not to mention that even a coil manufacturer will have variances. Just like spending time twisting up your own will result in a coil in the trash!

I've upgraded my APV 3 times in the last 3 months, each time I either gifted or sold my old setup. So I am being more "green" than you by promoting peeps to quit analogs, freeing the planet of butts, and prevention of forest fires!

 

[Mellowbuzz]

Cigalikes, disposable atty/clearo/glasso are a waste of time and money IMHO.

Key words: "IMHO". It's your opinion.

 

[pmadden]

Ya gotta take baby steps, thats just how it works.

 

[keylow]

That's what I'm doing....basic system but would like to eventually have more control soon...I plan to learn here!

 

[raitizz]

That's what I'm doing....basic system but would like to eventually have more control soon...I plan to learn here!

I kind of have the feeling, you are at the right place...

Kind Regards,
R

Edit: Cheers and congrats on your first post

 

[Oberon75]

Of course I did, did you read my OP where I said "transition to" NOT "buy outright crazy stuff as your first purchase?"

Of course everyone has their opinions and safety first is a good rule. With that said, I see a lot of recommendations for stuff that in my brief experience are a waste of time and money. Cigalikes, disposable atty/clearo/glasso are a waste of time and money IMHO.

Subtank mini and an istick. There, a simple recommendation to a new user that has a great wealth of possibilities and a rebiuildable option from the get go.

Careful now. Subtank Mini and iStick is for cloud chasers. Not quitting cigarettes.[emoji6]

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[Goyo]

Key words: "IMHO". It's your opinion.

Uh, can we talk about vaping stuff and not symantics?

I am trying to convey my experience as a new vaper and some of the frustrations I encountered.

 

[Goyo]

Careful now. Subtank Mini and iStick is for cloud chasers. Not quitting cigarettes.[emoji6]

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I beg to differ. I don't care about cloud chasing. FYI I don't even own a subtank, but I have used them. The subtank mini offered a better vaping experience to me than a cigalike and a nautilus mini. What follows is that a better vaping experience will keep people from choosing tobacco.

Edit: Also, part of the vaping experience is the interaction with the experienced person (usually at a brick and morter store) If a new vaper gets the vibe that the store owner is just trying to sell them stuff that the experienced user wouldn't use. Does that make them feel good about the experience?

Skip the baby steps and point them to something that works. How hard is that to grasp?

 

[Susan~S]

One of the reasons I posted this is to hopefully influencing you vet vapers to change your recommendations to new vapers. Do you think a new vaper wants the hassle of needing to upgrade their vape hardware two or three times before they find something doesn't annoy them or make them feel cheated?

You are one person, having a bad experience with one type of coils (the Nautilus BVC's). Nothing wrong with sharing your experience. However, it's very short sighted of you to make a "blanket statement" telling all noobie's get into rebuildables because of your limited experience with stock coils.

I have been using the BVC's since they first came out and have not had any problems with them. I've also been answering questions in the "New Member" forum for the past year and have seen very few problems with the BVC's. Most of the concerns about these coils have to do with the wicking materials. Most of the problems have been due to "user error" and not priming the coils well or trying to "dry burn" them.

Enjoy your rebuildables. There is nothing wrong with that. But I won't be recommending rebuildables to new vapers until they express an interest in learning about battery safety, Ohm's Law, amp draw and how they all fit together to vape safely.

The subtank offered a better vaping experience to me than a cigalike and a nautilus mini. What follows is that a better vaping experience will keep people from choosing tobacco.

That's an opinion. Not everyone feels the same way. Many new members with limited experience get sucker into buying the sub-ohm tanks come to find that they hate the airy draw.

 

[Oberon75]

Uh, can we talk about vaping stuff and not symantics?

I am trying to convey my experience as a new vaper and some of the frustrations I encountered.

I encountered similar experiences and a lot of the popular information and opinions here made me waste a lot of money and even put me back on analogs for a while.

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[clawdog]

For those of you that have studied physics, engineering, or any theory or safety involving electricity know that 1 Amp of current is A LOT of current.

I love my vape... don't get me wrong... but more widespread high-amp battery demand may not be related to the overall safety of the new vaping community. I guess I'd like to see the 'en-vogue' model for introducing new members to be the small 3.7v tanks and cartos, like it kinda has been. +1 to the OP for calling out the crap that's out there for replacement heads, though. one of the pink elephants in the room is the QC crap that falls on first time vapers.

But my opinion is... many soon-to-be-vapers can't or shouldn't go down the RBA/RDA/RTA/RDT2A unless they find it on their own. but that has the shortcomings for creating the 'inet elite' phenomenon that kinda sux. maybe ecf should have a separate newb section for rebuilding...