I can't access this link but if you get the Panasonic labeled version it is the same thing, and I believe it is cheaper. They sell them at orbatronic or something like that.
New Variable Voltage device from smoktech?
- Thread starter mda71
- Start date
- th_trl_thread_readers 0
- Status
I can't access this link but if you get the Panasonic labeled version it is the same thing, and I believe it is cheaper. They sell them at orbatronic or something like that.
Hiya VAP - two quick things. One, I'm still very eager to know what single type of electronic test device you'd recommend I get to take my measuring capabilities to the next level. I love to measure, since that supplies data, which is what all of science is based on, and from which comes hypotheses, theories, and Laws. Maybe the top 3 makes/models, or the top 1 if there's an obvious no-brainer, and a quick list of the most fundamental and helpful tests that I could do with it on vaping hardware? Thanks.
Also - could you please tell me the deal on Callie's Customs, and why their batteries are so highly regarded? I've been to their site, and there's just a discinnect for me between their apparent main specialty of T-shirts, and being the purveyor of a world-class battery. Did they design their batteries in-house?[??]. If not, who did, and who actually manufactures them? Again, thanks.
They are re-wrapped Panasonic's found here: CGR18650CH Panasonic 18650 Li-Mn-Li-ion CGR18650CH High Drain 10A Rechargeable IMR Hybrid Battery Cell
The person in the post above this one knows whats up. (Creniker) Hes exactly right. Believe it or not Panasonic makes the best lithium ion cells hands down. The actual cell inside is exactly what he said,a Panasonic CGR 18650CH. I think you can also get them at smartvapes.com.......unless thats the same link he put in his post at the bottom....if not then theirs 2 places to get them from plus Kallies Kustoms. John dont worry, I've ordered from Kallies before,they are awesome folks out there. I ordered 20 CGR 18650CH IMR high drains 2250maH (the gray wrap) and the ICR 3100maH (the black wrap) and the shipping was super fast from cali to Florida. But I LOVE THE BATTERIES. And yes their really is a noticeable difference,to me anyway. As far as a testing device John, me personally start with a decent ocsilliscope if you can afford it. They give you a good decent amount of information to be alll in 1 unit. You will have to make a connection for it to measure PV's but it's not too hard. I solder small electronis for a living so it's 2nd nature for me,but even a decently novice person with a half decent solder gun can make a nice clean, SAFE connection for it. I use QUALITY heat shrink usually double layered for all my solder connections or inline connections,NOT electrical tape. Anyway if you need help finding a unit for a decent price just let me know,sorry for the delay with getting back to you,been extreemely busy with work related stuff. Got my new Black VMAX today. Im headed to the bench now to pull some numbers and see if it matches up to the chrome one I already had. Hope this helps John,Take care everyone.
J
J 
Agreeing with you 150% OH great and powerful OZ...LOL!The person in the post above this one knows whats up. (Creniker) Hes exactly right. Believe it or not Panasonic makes the best lithium ion cells hands down. The actual cell inside is exactly what he said,a Panasonic CGR 18650CH. I think you can also get them at smartvapes.com.......unless thats the same link he put in his post at the bottom....if not then theirs 2 places to get them from plus Kallies Kustoms. John dont worry, I've ordered from Kallies before,they are awesome folks out there. I ordered 20 CGR 18650CH IMR high drains 2250maH (the gray wrap) and the ICR 3100maH (the black wrap) and the shipping was super fast from cali to Florida. But I LOVE THE BATTERIES. And yes their really is a noticeable difference,to me anyway. As far as a testing device John, me personally start with a decent ocsilliscope if you can afford it. They give you a good decent amount of information to be alll in 1 unit. You will have to make a connection for it to measure PV's but it's not too hard. I solder small electronis for a living so it's 2nd nature for me,but even a decently novice person with a half decent solder gun can make a nice clean, SAFE connection for it. I use QUALITY heat shrink usually double layered for all my solder connections or inline connections,NOT electrical tape. Anyway if you need help finding a unit for a decent price just let me know,sorry for the delay with getting back to you,been extreemely busy with work related stuff. Got my new Black VMAX today. Im headed to the bench now to pull some numbers and see if it matches up to the chrome one I already had. Hope this helps John,Take care everyone.
Thanks cren, that clears things up considerably. It's a very unusual person who excels at both t-shirt design and the design and manufacturing of a world-class lithium-ion battery.
The person in the post above this one knows whats up. (Creniker) Hes exactly right. Believe it or not Panasonic makes the best lithium ion cells hands down. The actual cell inside is exactly what he said,a Panasonic CGR 18650CH. I think you can also get them at smartvapes.com.......unless thats the same link he put in his post at the bottom....if not then theirs 2 places to get them from plus Kallies Kustoms. John dont worry, I've ordered from Kallies before,they are awesome folks out there. I ordered 20 CGR 18650CH IMR high drains 2250maH (the gray wrap) and the ICR 3100maH (the black wrap) and the shipping was super fast from cali to Florida. But I LOVE THE BATTERIES. And yes their really is a noticeable difference,to me anyway. As far as a testing device John, me personally start with a decent ocsilliscope if you can afford it. They give you a good decent amount of information to be alll in 1 unit. You will have to make a connection for it to measure PV's but it's not too hard. I solder small electronis for a living so it's 2nd nature for me,but even a decently novice person with a half decent solder gun can make a nice clean, SAFE connection for it. I use QUALITY heat shrink usually double layered for all my solder connections or inline connections,NOT electrical tape. Anyway if you need help finding a unit for a decent price just let me know,sorry for the delay with getting back to you,been extreemely busy with work related stuff. Got my new Black VMAX today. Im headed to the bench now to pull some numbers and see if it matches up to the chrome one I already had. Hope this helps John,Take care everyone.
Thanks for that. Are there any reasons to order these batteries from Kallie's, as opposed to getting them as panasonics from a vendor like Lighthound? Are there some that are made by Panasonic to a superior "Kallie Spec" or something?
And is there a particular make and model (or two) of o'scope that you'd recommend? I do not do well when presented with an overwhelming array of choices. When someone can just say "Here, this one will work very well for you", that's a very good thing. Thx.
Well maybe there is a god after all. I just got the big honkin' Joyetech 18650, purely for its gargantuan awesomeness and cool ergonomics, and forgot to order an 18650 battery for it, which would have been an AW. Now, it will be a Panasonic, for sure. (A few of them actually). This bad boy will also be an excellent candidate for the Kick (from the Darwin folks) with an 18490 battery.
Thanks all.
Last edited:
Just got home from work,wow what a day, John I will do some searching around and see if I can shoot ya a link for a o'scope that is quality made and decently priced for you. Keep a look out for a PM from me. The Panasonic CGR18650CH is not like every other cell out there due to being a hybrid type cell so getting just any ole Panasonic cell battery doesn't mean your getting THIS battery (the CGR). Make sure if your on lighthound or any other site that the numbers match in the title and description,and if it is pictured make sure you go to orbatronic or smartvapes or Kallie's to familiarize yourself with what it actually looks like,although the kallie is re-wrapped with their logo. But obviously if the picture shows a red or yellow battery saying its a panasonic 2250maH its not the battery your looking for as the CGR is gray with detailed writing on it. Hope this helps. Take care all. Oh yeah, so I got the black VMAX today....it was in question if the chrome VMAX I had was a beta version that may be different from the actual unit released to the public. Well heres the answer,SO FAR, the display from blue to red is the ONLY difference I can tell on 1st impression. Now I will be getting into the numbers in about a hour,after dinner.....a mans gotta eat...right? I'll get back to you guys and gals tomorrow with a "little" further detail just to see if the numbers matched up for both.
AFTER factoring in shipping the Panasonic CGRs are cheaper at SmartVapes if you are buying 2 or more. Singles are cheaper thru Orbtronic.
Now how did we get from VMax (that uses 18350s) to 18650 IMR batteries?
Now how did we get from VMax (that uses 18350s) to 18650 IMR batteries?
If you buy six from Orbtronic you get a discount not sure how much. Either way there shipping was uber fast and free no matter how much you get so thats nice.
Edit: buy 2-4 for 5% off and 5-10 for 10% off.
Edit: buy 2-4 for 5% off and 5-10 for 10% off.
Right now, to my knowledge their is NOT a 18350 CGR panasonic cell out there and I've been searching high and low, in and out for 1 since I got my VAMX 3 weeks ago,maybe a month now.... however... I'm pretty confident that one is in the making since this size battery (18350) is becoming very popular. I think (my opinion) that when 1 product is sought after by the multitudes and they see the need for that same product in a different size or application it's only a matter of time when it's produced and released. The best thing we as the consumer can do is go to these sites that carry the 18650CGR and inquire if they will ever carry a 18350 size and the other popular sizes that we use in this industry, and asked them to please carry it,make it, produce it.....etc.....I have a kinda motto if you will that I have ALWAYS gone by : " A DEVICE IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE POWER SOURCE RUNNING IT.....OR....A STEREO IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE WIRES SUPPORTING IT". You get the picture, this same concept can be used in many situations. So far it's served me pretty well. I ONLY use Monster Cable wiring with ALL my home and car audio setups,the best batteries in my devices etc... Think about it, we pay good hard earned money for our high end PV's why put a crappy battery in it. Personally,(opinion) trustfires, ultrafires, palight, soshine, etc... are just crappy subpar batteries, the wire used to support the PCB circuit in all of those are smaller than the thinnest hair on your head. They all have minimal to NO decent sustained amperage output. Do they work ?? .. Yep, do thay PERFORM ? NOPE !! And believe me their is a difference in the 2. Bottom line folks, you probably spent good money on your device that basically SAVED YOUR LIFE !! PLEASE don't cut corners to try and save a buck or 2 just to get cheap batteries. Do your research, get the best batteries money can possibly buy, you owe it to yourself , and your mod. ....Right ? Take care everyone and be safe out there. ............ J
All About Vapor will have the batteries and charger for them soon. they just wanted to make the V-Max available to Vapors that already had the batteries and chargers.
What is the vent hole situation on it? I'm curious if it will pass the ECF safety standards.
Im pretty sure with 5 vent holes it will pass....1, 1/8th inch hole in the dead center and 4, 1/16th inch holes around the center hole. Plenty of venting, almost overkill I would say. But hey I'm a safer than sorry kinda guy and it's served me well for 35 years.
Hope this helps with the venting questions. Take care all.
You might want to look at Sony and maybe Samsung. AW is not a manufacturer. They get batteries with tighter specs from manufacturers.
1) I don't have metric stuff to check this but I can't drop a 1/8th or 1/16th twist bit into those holes so I'm gonna assume they are the next smaller metric sizes, 1.5mm and 3mm.
2) I think not! Here's the applicable section:
The part that I think it would not pass is "Each slot to have a cross-sectional area of ~200mm2". That's a total of 600mm^2 of vent area. A 1/16th hole area, rounded high is ~7.92mm^2. So 4 of them is a bit under 32mm^2 then add to that a single 1/8th hole of another ~32mm and you end up with something under 64mm^2. This is a bit under the 600mm^2 required. Now, It wouldn't surprise me if I totally screwed up the math here. If so, please let me know.
3) IMRs larger than the smallish AWs fit the tail cap so tight the tail cap holes are all but blocked anyway.
Now, do NOT get me wrong. I really like my VMAX but I seriously doubt if SMOK even glanced at the ECF EMSS guidelines and I'm not having sex with it.
l8r, Skip
PS: dang, I know I'm gonna catch some flak for this post but... oh well...
No slack from me brotha, honestly, I have no clue what the venting guidlines even are. Never had to bother or worry with it. And it's my opinion that ecf should have no say in guidlines to vaping,it's a public"forum". I didn't think forums had anything to do with regulations or enforcing them. But I could be wrong, it's happened before and will agian. As far as the holes and the measurements, I did'nt get out my micrometer or anything I was just kinda eyeballin' it. But I think Im pretty close if not spot on. Honestly, If you use the right batteries you should have no problem with venting....UNLESS you get that 1 out of 10,000 batteries that just wasn't stable from the start.And yes, AW is not a actual manufacturer, from the research I've done and the information I've obtained thru trustworthy sources AW batteries are a Panasonic cell based battery,and the process VERY SIMPLIFIED goes kinda like this. AW gets a palet of Panasonic cells,they put those cells thru rigorous testing charging and discharging, after finding out the" cream of the crop" batteries then they wrap the famous AW red-orange color vinyl wrap on them,slap the AW logo on and the batteries that did not meet or exceed their standards get sold off to other companies. Their is a whole thread about this that goes into much more detail but this is pretty much the cliff notes "from what I gathered". But agian, you wont get any slack from me. I dont come here to give anyone slack,although sometimes I do catch a bit from time to time,but its all good. If their is ever anything Im wrong on or miscommunicated I would much rather be corrected than a newbie read it and get the wrong info or be misinformed. Theirs just a nice way to correct a fellow vapor and theirs a ..... way to correct them. "Constructive" criticism is ALWAYS welcome to me. Thanks for the further detail SKIP !!!
I'm sure you're right. Smoketech probably couldn't care less about meeting a set of specifications written by one guy of questionable qualifications on the basis of who-knows-what and with no real testing or review by other bona fide experts. No disrespect to Roly but he's not exactly the ASTM and to expect a large company to adopt specs that they very well could consider of dubious value is a bit presumptuous. I would love to see a panel of real engineers, physicists, chemists, etc. devise standards. For now, all we have is Roly. It's a noble effort, but IMO, somewhat misguided and over-the-top conservative. You can't really expect a huge company like Smoketech to take it all too seriously.
- Status
Similar threads
