New york sales ban next steps
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I suspect e-cig equipment, minus the nicotine,will morph into "flavor vaporizers" or something like that, to circumvent bans.
No nicotine=no e-cig.
NY doesn't have jurisdiction anywhere else and since buying and using PVs will not be part of the ban, I don't see how it could affect mail order to NY from other states at all....but then again, I'm no legal expert.
No nicotine=no e-cig.
NY doesn't have jurisdiction anywhere else and since buying and using PVs will not be part of the ban, I don't see how it could affect mail order to NY from other states at all....but then again, I'm no legal expert.
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The FDA already stopped this from happening when they said they found trace amts of nictonie in juice marked zero mg. We know that some tobacco flavor that comes from tobacco will have a trace amt of nic, but not the other flavors. They don't care. Look, they want us to either smoke or use Big Pharma products, it's called Corporate Fascism and it's here BIG TIME!
New York vote goes 21-4 to ban e-cigarettes
Wow, this is nothing short of mass murder!! Look at the numbers pro-ban! We are really up against a huge number of idiotic sociopaths. They will sentence e-cig users to death and sleep soundly on their high perch. So sad.
Wow, this is nothing short of mass murder!! Look at the numbers pro-ban! We are really up against a huge number of idiotic sociopaths. They will sentence e-cig users to death and sleep soundly on their high perch. So sad.
No surprise there considering NY cigarette tax rates and revenue. Greed greed greed. It's all about the money. If NY can't rob banks (enough) it'll rob it's citizens.
I had a worthwhile meeting with my assemblyman. He's still forming an opinion, but I'm fairly certain that he at least understands the issue now.
One interesting thing was when he realized that the argument wasn't against them being regulated, it was against them being banned.
The meeting was supposed to be 30 minutes, I arrived thirty minutes early, and we started immediately, we ended about 30 minutes late. Bad for my next appointment, but a good sign for the meeting.
I setup a 510 in front of him and his aide tried it out. No nicotine. We joked about how hard it would be for a kid to hide a habit like this... the startup costs, and things like that. He filmed her trying them out.
He not only kept, but asked for copies of all the reference materials. He seemed genuinely interested.
Apparently Roswell Park Cancer institute is against E-cigarettes and is presenting information on the other side... I think someone may need to talk to Roswell next...
He has my number and wanted to talk with me more about e-cigarettes.
I tried to stay away from speculation, others hearing the presentation speculated enough for me.
With the exception of one question, could these devices be used for illegal purposes, the presentation went smoothly. The idea struck me as ludicrous, but I took my time and rationally pointed out that anything could be used in any number of unintended ways.
I'll keep you guys informed as I learn/hear more.
One interesting thing was when he realized that the argument wasn't against them being regulated, it was against them being banned.
The meeting was supposed to be 30 minutes, I arrived thirty minutes early, and we started immediately, we ended about 30 minutes late. Bad for my next appointment, but a good sign for the meeting.
I setup a 510 in front of him and his aide tried it out. No nicotine. We joked about how hard it would be for a kid to hide a habit like this... the startup costs, and things like that. He filmed her trying them out.
He not only kept, but asked for copies of all the reference materials. He seemed genuinely interested.
Apparently Roswell Park Cancer institute is against E-cigarettes and is presenting information on the other side... I think someone may need to talk to Roswell next...
He has my number and wanted to talk with me more about e-cigarettes.
I tried to stay away from speculation, others hearing the presentation speculated enough for me.
With the exception of one question, could these devices be used for illegal purposes, the presentation went smoothly. The idea struck me as ludicrous, but I took my time and rationally pointed out that anything could be used in any number of unintended ways.
I'll keep you guys informed as I learn/hear more.
of course Roswells against it. They make there money taking care of Cancer Patents. and they do an excellent job at it. (yes i know pwoplw who have worked there and heve been treated there) If people switch over to e-cigs than the cancer rate "May " drop. and that would hurt there business in the long run. Any Medical group is in business to make money. and they make money by treating the sick. If people arent getting sick, theres no money in it.
i wonder if it could be gotten around as a non nicotine thing by simply saying. Movie prop, Cigarette simulator.
I am just teasing but do you think he was angry because you refer to him as a Rep rather than as a Senator? These guys do have egos!
Oh COOL, My friend just ordered one! I went with the Riva 510 but can't wait to try the ego! lol
Sent e-mail to all of the state senators but two of the addresses were rejected:
gball@senate.state.ny.us
jrivera@nysenate.gov
Do you have updates for these two?
gball@senate.state.ny.us
jrivera@nysenate.gov
Do you have updates for these two?
Good news for New York! See this thread about Senator Owen Johnson's newly presented bill that prohibits sales to minors:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...nder-18-only-bill-introduced.html#post2644778
This new competing bill is VERY good news for New York. It certainly does trump Rosenthal's evil and misguided attempt at an all out sales ban. Here it is: S2926-2011 - NY Senate Open Legislation - Prohibits the sale of electronic cigarettes to minors - New York State Senate
Johnson also sponsored a similar bill last year, that only prohibited sales to minors. He had no co-sponsors, and it got nowhere, although in our lobbying to the Senate Health Committee last year we asked them to EITHER remove section two from Rosenthal and Klein's bills, OR to support Johnson's bill.
The excellent news now is that Johnson has several co-sponsors this year. We need to support it, and again urge Senators to either vote and push for this one, or at least to amend Section 2 out of Rosenthal and Klein's bill.
We also need to find an Assembly member or members who will introduce an identical bill in the Assembly, so it can triumph over Rosenthal's bill there.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...nder-18-only-bill-introduced.html#post2644778
This new competing bill is VERY good news for New York. It certainly does trump Rosenthal's evil and misguided attempt at an all out sales ban. Here it is: S2926-2011 - NY Senate Open Legislation - Prohibits the sale of electronic cigarettes to minors - New York State Senate
Johnson also sponsored a similar bill last year, that only prohibited sales to minors. He had no co-sponsors, and it got nowhere, although in our lobbying to the Senate Health Committee last year we asked them to EITHER remove section two from Rosenthal and Klein's bills, OR to support Johnson's bill.
The excellent news now is that Johnson has several co-sponsors this year. We need to support it, and again urge Senators to either vote and push for this one, or at least to amend Section 2 out of Rosenthal and Klein's bill.
We also need to find an Assembly member or members who will introduce an identical bill in the Assembly, so it can triumph over Rosenthal's bill there.
Outstanding!!
Can we actually pull another win out of our hats?
In New York no less?
I'm ready to give it a shot.
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