New York State issues 3 Bills to: Impose 75% or 95% tax on Ecigs, Ban E-Liquid, Ban Ecig Use!

[buffaloguy]

Its sad this is how laws get pushed thru for a vote. Not even an open discussion. They want it to be an open and shut issue.

This should be illegal.

How come they are allowed to use outdated information, and blatent misinformation? Its a crime.

Ignorance is bliss, but it breeds stupidity. Ok, rant over.

 

[DrMA]

This is scandalous! I can't believe pre-screening of testimonies in a public hearing is a legal and acceptable practice. What's next: gag order?

 

[planes]

Why are so many people upset about this. They are the people you put in office or should have not been put in office.... by you. This is the product of a social agenda which has been raging for years and strongest in states like NY, CA, MA, NJ and other states with a leftist agenda. Now vapers are yelling when they should have been yelling 10 years ago when all this social engineering started. You guys in NY have been following the mantra of tax the rich and spread the wealth around. Now you're getting a taste of what it feels like to be singled out and taxed into oblivion.

You're going to have to move mountains now to get what you want. Instead of begging for help, go do something about it. Instead of commentating and spectatoring take some time this week and visit a lawmakers office or at least call them up. But you know, only about 2 or 3% will do anything and then the rest will scream bloody murder when a 30ml bottle of ejuice is going to cost $50.

 

[Fitzie]

We're already taxed to oblivion in NY. It doesn't matter who you vote for - either locally or nationally. It's all about the money and "we the people" don't have the money to buy politicians.

 

[planes]

Yes but you can always vote them out of office not let someone like Bloomberg run for 10 years. People can also move.

 

[Fitzie]

Like I said, it doesn't really matter who you vote for. The result is the same. Money talks. And I was born in NYC ( albeit a better city than the one I live in today), so I'm planning to die here. p.s. If you think Bloomberg was bad, wait'll Di Blasio gets done with NY. Interestingly, both are from Boston.

 

[planes]

Boston would be just like NYC if it weren't for the fact that Boston is small and there's only so much room left for urban push so our poor to rich ratio is smaller. Our corruption % is probably the same though. The two things we have which keeps things from going completely topsy turvy is, though I hate to say it, big pharma and elite education. We have an influx of money from well off families into private schools and the surroundings and Big pharma and medicine paying top dollar to it's employees.

We tend to have a sickening amount of weirdos with whacko politics leaning communism in several cities which doesn't help.

 

[Fitzie]

I guess I've just been around the block a few too many times. I don't like a lot of what I see happening in this country. Not just as it pertains to vaping. I did write to my senator. I got no response. I did get to see her at the hearing. She called herself an obnoxious ex-smoker. Guess that's why I got no response. I'll write some more emails, etc, but I got the impression the die is cast in NY. I'm so tired of being assaulted as a vaper in the media and by politicians. I'll continue to hope and fight for the best outcome, but I'm also hedging my bets by starting to stockpile what I'll need to stay off tobacco.

 

[thew92]

If you live in New York use this link to send a letter to your State Reps
Send a Message

 

[Fitzie]

^^^
Thanks! Done

 

[dykast]

If you live in New York use this link to send a letter to your State Reps
Send a Message

Done. Told them to call me. Doubt anyone will call, lol.

 

[rothenbj]

I'm watching it now. Every argument used in TC's script was used. The Dems on the committee agreeing wholeheartedly, the tobacco industry is evil, yada yada. Sorry NY, you are being led my idiots.

 

[Anjaffm]

ewwwww....

 

[Freedombadeaux]

I haven't quit on Facebook for over a week on this...Believe people are getting my word!!!

 

[Skinny Pete]

Let's all send an email , write a letter. And make phone calls because if it happens in a major city like NY then it will happen to to other cities and states. Let's get to hustling to keep it from happening

If you live in New York use this link to send a letter to your State Reps
Send a Message

 

[Fitzie]

Let's all send an email , write a letter. And make phone calls because if it happens in a major city like NY then it will happen to to other cities and states. Let's get to hustling to keep it from happening

This isn't just for New York City. The pending legislation will cover all of New York State.

 

[Katya]

Here's some ammunition for you, guys (posts #1 and 7).

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...eport-electronic-cigarettes.html#post13165551

Good luck!

 

[buffaloguy]

Also useful links to send to Reps:
E-cigarette research, studies and papers
The Ultimate List of E-Cig Studies: Are E-Cigs Actually Safe? *Updated 2/16/14 » onVaping

 

[Markgm]

From the NY Times hit piece...
Selling a Poison by the Barrel: Liquid Nicotine for E-Cigarettes
nytimes .com/2014/03/24/business/selling-a-poison-by-the-barrel-liquid-nicotine-for-e-cigarettes.html?_r=0

"E-liquids are a form of liquid nicotine laced with other chemicals and often flavored"

Have you noticed when NY Times writers are noticeably demonizing a thing? Just a little writing skill, and off you go. Those so-called "chemicals the nicotine is laced with", which sounds like street drugs to me, are vegetable glycerin and propylene glycol, both deemed generally accepted as safe by the FDA, for many years now. They constitute the base in which nicotine and flavoring are added.

OK, it is true that safety is an issue with eLiquid. But when leaded gasoline was found to be this way, they didn't ban gasoline, they called for unleaded. And when emissions were too toxic, they didn't ban cars, they added regulations calling for emissions controls on vehicles. The problem with eLiquid is when someone drinks it or spills a bunch of it on their skin. What happens with other products which fit the same description? They get warning labels and child-proof safety caps. That's about it.

Always beware the fear-mongering. That's how the powers that be ask people to do things.

I tried adding this comment at the NY Senate bill page, but it may be censored out. We'll see.
S6939-2013 - NY Senate Open Legislation - Prohibits the sale or provision of any quantity of electronic liquid - New York State Senate

 

[buffaloguy]

Any news on this bill? Has it stalled in committee? Is it advancing to the floor? Does anyone know more?