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hey guys im getting my mech mod set up in the mail tomorrow and i went by the local shop and bought some kanthal and a ohm meter and he said he was out but will be in stock next Friday he asked if i was new into the mech mod scene (i used them alot for when i ran out of ejuice and when i needed a new atty for my ego's) and i said i was and he told me that .8ohms is good to start out with and he said that if im using a single coil build to wrap it 6 times and a dual coil to wrap 12 times


well i don't have any drill bits but does it mater what its wrapped on i get it has to be about the size of a 1/16 drill bit but what household object can be used to wrap a coil


and another question, does it matter if its a micro coil or a macro coil as far as how many wraps you do
 

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does it mater what its wrapped on i get it has to be about the size of a 1/16 drill bit but what household object can be used to wrap a coil.

does it matter if its a micro coil or a macro coil as far as how many wraps you do
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There are only two things that determine resistance in single wire coil construction... wire length from terminal to terminal (this will include the leg length), and the gauge/thickness of the wire.
Wrap count or coil ID are relevant only in the physical sense. Some of the more useful considerations... does the coil fit in the atomizer and use the available dimensions to best advantage, and does it provide an optimized surface area for the wick material used.

As an example, and using the Steam Engine coil modelling program... a length of 28 gauge Sandvik Kanthal A1, between 44~45mm long (again, terminal to terminal) will provide a resistance of 0.8Ω+/- ( or, 0.018Ω+/- per mm)... and will always provide this resistance, regardless of ID or wrap count.
So what would be a good build for your desired or target resistance - you might ask? On a 1/16" (1.6mm) mandrel, with a 2mm leg length... you can do a 7/6 wrap. All else remaining the same, but a target resistance of 1.0Ω... the wire length increases to 56mm and the wrap count to 8/7.

With dual parallel coils, the gross resistance of 1 coil is halved to provide the net resistance. The value previously described, in a DPC build, should have a net resistance of 0.4Ω+/-.
With parallel coils, the net resistance will always be the resistance value of one coil, divided by the number of coils mounted.
Inversely, to maintain a specific desired resistance for X number of parallel coils, the length of wire used (or as described semi-correctly by your local B&M guy - the wrap count) per coil must be multiplied by the total coil count.

You must have an ohm meter... be it a build box or a DMM (preferably both), to accurately measure and verify net resistance. To go without is to assume the target build has no shorts or opens, and that the atomizer has no added resistance. Potentially, your safety, and the safety of those around you, are in your hands... literally.

Once confirmed, you need to insure you have adequate current output for the target resistance... or visa versa. Simple Ohm's law calculations will provide these answers.

What you use for a wrapping mandrel isn't all that relevant. You can use a toothpick, a Q-tip, a micro-screwdriver shank, a probe from a DMM test lead, a ball point pen ink tube... as long as it's sturdy enough not to compress or break under wire tension.

Coil IDs in the 1~3mm range are common. Smaller IDs may provide a higher heat concentration and a more rapid vaporization of the liquid within the coil/wick... and requires wick material with excellent capillary action and retention.
Technically speaking, the "micro" coil is considered by most to have an ID of 1/16" (1.6mm), to slightly less... with no air gaps between wraps (compressed).

There are always a few wire gauges that would be considered as "optimal" for any desired resistance/wick material/applied current and... the number of coils fit in parallel, if any.

Click the two sigline links below if you want to learn more. ;-)
 
Insomnia, and nothing to do... but write.

There are only two things that determine resistance in single wire coil construction... wire length from terminal to terminal (this will include the leg length), and the gauge/thickness of the wire.
Wrap count or coil ID are relevant only in the physical sense. Some of the more useful considerations... does the coil fit in the atomizer and use the available dimensions to best advantage, and does it provide an optimized surface area for the wick material used.

As an example, and using the Steam Engine coil modelling program... a length of 28 gauge Sandvik Kanthal A1, between 44~45mm long (again, terminal to terminal) will provide a resistance of 0.8Ω+/- ( or, 0.018Ω+/- per mm)... and will always provide this resistance, regardless of ID or wrap count.
So what would be a good build for your desired or target resistance - you might ask? On a 1/16" (1.6mm) mandrel, with a 2mm leg length... you can do a 7/6 wrap. All else remaining the same, but a target resistance of 1.0Ω... the wire length increases to 56mm and the wrap count to 8/7.

With dual parallel coils, the gross resistance of 1 coil is halved to provide the net resistance. The value previously described, in a DPC build, should have a net resistance of 0.4Ω+/-.
With parallel coils, the net resistance will always be the resistance value of one coil, divided by the number of coils mounted.
Inversely, to maintain a specific desired resistance for X number of parallel coils, the length of wire used (or as described semi-correctly by your local B&M guy - the wrap count) per coil must be multiplied by the total coil count.

You must have an ohm meter... be it a build box or a DMM (preferably both), to accurately measure and verify net resistance. To go without is to assume the target build has no shorts or opens, and that the atomizer has no added resistance. Potentially, your safety, and the safety of those around you, are in your hands... literally.

Once confirmed, you need to insure you have adequate current output for the target resistance... or visa versa. Simple Ohm's law calculations will provide these answers.

What you use for a wrapping mandrel isn't all that relevant. You can use a toothpick, a Q-tip, a micro-screwdriver shank, a probe from a DMM test lead, a ball point pen ink tube... as long as it's sturdy enough not to compress or break under wire tension.

Coil IDs in the 1~3mm range are common. Smaller IDs may provide a higher heat concentration and a more rapid vaporization of the liquid within the coil/wick... and requires wick material with excellent capillary action and retention.
Technically speaking, the "micro" coil is considered by most to have an ID of 1/16" (1.6mm), to slightly less... with no air gaps between wraps (compressed).

There are always a few wire gauges that would be considered as "optimal" for any desired resistance/wick material/applied current and... the number of coils fit in parallel, if any.

Click the two sigline links below if you want to learn more. ;-)




thank you and i looked at a resistance table for kanthal and for a 28 gauge and it seems if i want to shoot in the .8 ohm to 1 ohm range my coil needs to use 2 inches of wire


i cant get a ohm reader until Friday or until i order one which would take about the same amount of time


but i guess i can look for a multimeter it sucks because i lost a good sum of my tools which had a damn fluke multimeter and various tools i could have used for building a coil
 

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A good size nail?

Actually, and a consideration, I used my older tanks and practiced wrapping. In the process of practicing wraps I got all the tools that I would need. Basically, I did a big Amazon purchase. It included:

Ohm meter (x2) - just to make sure the readings were correct
Tweezers - cotton manipulation
small scissors - cut cotton
Small flat-tip screwdriver < 1/8" - tighten/loosen screws
Small Phillips-head screwdriver < 1/8" - tighten/loosen screws
Fingernail clippers - cut excess wire
5" needle-nosed pliers - hold parts under the hottest tape water
Jeweler's Headset (if blind like me)
28 gage Kanthal
Japanese Organic cotton in sheet form

I have other Kanthal, but 28 gage is good middle ground for starting.

Amazon had all of it. Hope helps.
 
A good size nail?

Actually, and a consideration, I used my older tanks and practiced wrapping. In the process of practicing wraps I got all the tools that I would need. Basically, I did a big Amazon purchase. It included:

Ohm meter (x2) - just to make sure the readings were correct
Tweezers - cotton manipulation
small scissors - cut cotton
Small flat-tip screwdriver < 1/8" - tighten/loosen screws
Small Phillips-head screwdriver < 1/8" - tighten/loosen screws
Fingernail clippers - cut excess wire
5" needle-nosed pliers - hold parts under the hottest tape water
Jeweler's Headset (if blind like me)
28 gage Kanthal
Japanese Organic cotton in sheet form

I have other Kanthal, but 28 gage is good middle ground for starting.

Amazon had all of it. Hope helps.




thank you

i just wrapped it around a nail and my atty should be at my door any minute now i did 6 wraps with 28 gauge kanthal and i have some 100% organic cotton in a big bag

im gonna just put the sucker on my atty i cant get a 510 ohm meter atleast until friday and the nearest hardware store is 30 miles away i do have a ego twist that goes up to 4.8 volts so ill just try in out on that at 3.8 volts and see how it works

if it works out ill just use this single coil build until i get a reader because if it works on a regulated ego it should work on a mod (in my mind)
 
What the heck. I know nails come in "penny" sizes but what is what is not in my head. Hopefully, a little less than 1/8". Also, if you have a MOD that has an ohms checker, that works. Many regulated MODs have them now. I just like to have two ways.

Good for you! Just be careful.




yeah its a penny nail

and i dont have a mod like that i just have a mech mod
 

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Yeah, but how many "penny" is the nail?

Yes, Mech MODs don't have the safety and electronics of the VV/VW MODs. Getting one may be a better idea if you are not sure about understanding what is going on. I may have given more advanced and un-safe advise earlier. Maybe a visit to a vape shop and talking over your mech and its operation would be best.

Safety...not good to blow your head off.
 

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hey guys im getting my mech mod set up in the mail tomorrow and i went by the local shop and bought some kanthal and a ohm meter and he said he was out but will be in stock next Friday he asked if i was new into the mech mod scene (i used them alot for when i ran out of ejuice and when i needed a new atty for my ego's) and i said i was and he told me that .8ohms is good to start out with and he said that if im using a single coil build to wrap it 6 times and a dual coil to wrap 12 times


well i don't have any drill bits but does it mater what its wrapped on i get it has to be about the size of a 1/16 drill bit but what household object can be used to wrap a coil

and another question, does it matter if its a micro coil or a macro coil as far as how many wraps you do

1: No it doesn't matter what it's wrapped on; a common toothpick will do.
2mm is popular; 3 to 4 mm is easier to pull cotton wick through.

2: microcoil is popular (compressed coil)

Use the steam engine calculator.
 
Yeah, but how many "penny" is the nail?

Yes, Mech MODs don't have the safety and electronics of the VV/VW MODs. Getting one may be a better idea if you are not sure about understanding what is going on. I may have given more advanced and un-safe advise earlier. Maybe a visit to a vape shop and talking over your mech and its operation would be best.

Safety...not good to blow your head off.




no sir i understand whats going on with it i didn't just make a impulse buy i researched it quite a bit just to see what it was all about then safety and then for the mod and rda its self iim not like some people who dont even know what a duel coil is or what a damn ohm is but they ..... post tumbler and instagram with a quad coil build


but back on subject i dont have a ohm meter and hes not getting another on in till this Friday but he said to do like 6 wraps but didn't clarify wrapped around what so i asked this question in regards to wither or not it matters what you wrap it around but when i looked into wrapping it more its vary vague but im just waiting till my ohm meter comes in before i make another build


but im getting him to build me a dual coil tomorrow i don't want to lost my face
 
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