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I think the next major breakthrough will not be in the battery category, but with the juice delivery devices. Something akin to fuel injection in a car. With adjustments to the eliquid delivery for lighter or heavier vapor hit, warmer or cooler vapor, all on the fly. Some kind of new juice delivery to the vaporizer other than string wicks or polyfill.
 
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One of those is the use of flouride in a battery. Count me out. It's clearly a Communist plot to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids.

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No doubt. Batteries are in everything we use today and some of the BIG name guys out there (Apple, Motorola, The military, NASA) all have a vested interest in batteries with huge power and in return, smaller size. The problem for us, is we as a community are "cheap". I hate to call Vaping a hobby, but in some ways, it really is. This hobby however is a very budget friendly activity with very very little investment.

I got everything I needed (2 Twists, 3 clearos, replacement heads, and enough juice to keep me puffing for almost a month) for around 100 dollars. If I had gone crazy and went with a Provari, lots of batteries, half a dozen IBTanked tanks, and a gallon of juice to puff for a year my investment would have been 600 or so... If we were talking about competitive shooting as a comparison, that isnt even half the costs of a single firearm let alone ammunition, range fees, club fees, competition entrance fees, etc

My point is, we have more than enough technology today, right this very minute to do almost anything any of us could dream up. The problem is, Vapers would never accept the cost. The Provari is among the "pinnacle" power supply's we can get and a good 3/4ths of us think "oh no way I will ever spend 200 dollars on a battery and a button". Now imagine the power and life of a 1000Mah ego Twist with the functionality of a Provari in something the size and shape of an Analog 100... it could be done with enough engineering and capital investment. Problem? How many of this community would be willing to pay 800-1000 dollars for it, and have a reoccurring cost of say, 10 dollars a day? The NSA or DoD might not bat an eyelash at a 4,000 dollar battery, and sure it is proof of concept, but that kind of technology isnt going to come down to us common people for decades at a cost we would ever accept.

The other issue is, the vast majority of our "stuff" is built by slave labor in China. There is really very little innovation going on. Its a copy of a knock off of a clone of an original idea someone had 6 years ago. The actual innovation is coming from small independent people and small companies. Sure they make their money on things like a Provari but there is no real incentive for a big company to adapt it and produce it on a mass scale because the niche market just cant sustain the sales really needed. This applies to batteries too because for example, a new revolutionary battery comes out for the next-next generation military drones. After a year or 5 the technology trickles down to someone like Apple who is launching the Iphone 23g. We now have a battery that went from someone the size of a car battery to something the size of a cellphone battery. Without a major Ecig company to pick up the research on adapting that battery technology to something the size of Newport 100, the technological evolution ends there.

Like I said, we already have batteries the size of 3 quarters stacked on top of each other that rival the power and capacity of a Ego Twist. They could very easily be modified in shape and size to be the size of the filter on an analog 100 giving you plenty of room for juice container, atty, etc... Why dont we have it? Vapers wont accept the cost and there is no real company with the capital or motivation to engineer/develop it. We are all basically buying cobbled together ChiCom poop and that wont change unless cost goes way way up, or the market for our hobby explodes and there is suddenly there are 130 million vapers in the US alone
 
I think the next major breakthrough will not be in the battery category, but with the juice delivery devices. Something akin to fuel injection in a car. With adjustments to the eliquid delivery for lighter or heavier vapor hit, warmer or cooler vapor, all on the fly.

Now THAT would be awesome. We already have electronics small enough and a fuel injector for a car isnt all that much bigger than something like a 25mm IBTanked cartotank. Only question would be...what would it cost to make and buy?
 

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well Lorillard spent around 60 million dollars on their Superbowl e-cig commercials....
So why can't they create the best damn 510 e cig on the planet?

That's an interesting point to bring up. Big Tobacco certainly has the budget for Research & Development. The sky is the limit for what they could come up with.

Problem is, historically they seem to spend the majority of their budget on advertising, not product development. I mean, look at the Blu e-cig. It has a blue LED on the pack that starts blinking when in the same room as another Blu user. Is that something that interests me? I think not! :facepalm: But the target customer base is different nowadays - social media like Facebook, Twitter and the like is the target, not actual improvements in vaping gear.

To see this demonstrated, follow this link and then click on the Smart Pack Launch Video on the right: http://www.blucigs.com/
 
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Don't look to the auto industry for help! The Tesla, Tesla Roadster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia the most advanced electric car to date, uses nearly 7,000 18650 Li-Ions for power. Technology borrowed from the laptop industry. I've heard it said the most advances we will see will come from lead-acid and Nim-H batteries, but the petroleum companies own the patents on them, thus slowing down development to further their goal.
As for cell phones, think for a bit, how long has it been since they have gotten smaller? Yes, they were tanks in the 80's, then shrank in the 90's, but really haven't gotten much smaller since. Remember the awe we had with the size of the Motorola Startac? Motorola StarTAC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia It was AMAZING at the time! But if anything, phones have gotten larger since then, leaving more room for larger batteries in our smart phones. But really, technology didn't get much better since then.
As for the pacemaker lasting 8 years, how much work did that battery do in that time? Remember, this was high voltage, low current use through a very precise (probably around 90% effacy) voltage circuit. BUT, as stated, most of us wont pay for that in an APV.
NASA is broke and being dismantled, the DOD is close to being in the same boat, petroleum is what we are left with as a cash cow, so don't be surprised if they end up with the patents on new technology and it gets buried.
Sorry, as much as I'd love to see major advances in battery technology, in more than just e-cigs, I fear it's going to come down to the highest bidder to do what they will with that technology!
 

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I work as a general contractor on a naval base. I was talking to an electrical engineer who works on classified stuff. One thing he could tell me that he works on microscopic robotics. The biggest problem they have is battery power and that they are doing extensive research into batteries to get the more battery life in very tiny batteries. Idk, but thinking as the same people who make bombs are researching these batteries, makes me think that the government isn't just going to give it to duracell.
 

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Long distance wireless charging would eliminate (or significantly reduce the size of) the battery. So, you could make an e-cig the weight of a traditional cigarette.

An internet search just turned up bunch of long-range wireless power system links. There was a lot of news buzz from several years ago, but the only technology that seems available is the power-pad type of system. The longer range stuff seems harder to come by. Here is a great article describing the current state of the art, and some of the issues.
Power play: Wireless charging at a distance arrives - PC Advisor

But, the longer a cool technology sits without an actual product to buy, the more likely there are serious flaws in the technology.

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I think the next major breakthrough will not be in the battery category, but with the juice delivery devices. Something akin to fuel injection in a car. With adjustments to the eliquid delivery for lighter or heavier vapor hit, warmer or cooler vapor, all on the fly.

That device should be released any day now. Products have gone to reviewers but not sure when they'll be available to consumers. The add on software could be a gimmick but it uses a joystick instead of a button so you can change voltage and/or wattage on the fly.

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Baditude said:
I think the next major breakthrough will not be in the battery category, but with the juice delivery devices. Something akin to fuel injection in a car. With adjustments to the eliquid delivery for lighter or heavier vapor hit, warmer or cooler vapor, all on the fly. Some kind of new juice delivery to the vaporizer other than string wicks or polyfill.

That device should be released any day now. Products have gone to reviewers but not sure when they'll be available to consumers. The add on software could be a gimmick but it uses a joystick instead of a button so you can change voltage and/or wattage on the fly.

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See, I knew I was psychic! :D

It doesn't explain the juice carrying device it uses, though, which is what I was talking about. From the looks of the illustrations, it might be using the old-fashioned atty/tank system, which totally defeats the purpose of a fancy-smancy battery. Not crazy about the mouth piece, either.

My initial thoughts: More bells and whistles, not a better vape. :(
 
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It's 510 threaded. And yes it's an upgrade in the electronics rather than battery or jds.

That's right. It's more control over how your battery and JDS work together but you can use any 510 threaded device.

The community aspect of the software is pretty nice. You can create a profile of settings for any juice/device combination and share that profile with anyone else that might be using that device/juice combo.
 

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That's right. It's more control over how your battery and JDS work together but you can use any 510 threaded device.

The community aspect of the software is pretty nice. You can create a profile of settings for any juice/device combination and share that profile with anyone else that might be using that device/juice combo.

I'm skeptical that modulating power output will a noticable improvement over the current flat output, but if it is that device offers limitless customization.

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