Nhaler, extremely bad service

[Thulium]

If the voltage does not drop when using 2x3.7v bats it won't drop using 2x3.0v bats. This isn't an opinion, it's the simple application of Ohm's law. That test was absolutely valid.

That is not a proper application of Ohm's law. You are assuming that we are testing a single physical component (a resister), but we are talking about a voltage regulator circuit that was designed to output 5V when supplied with 6V and 7.4V when supplied with 7.4V.

The video shows the Xhaler working as advertised.

 

[Nuck]

it only proves that you can't turn 7.4 down.

That's not true. Please read the previous posts.

 

[HaploVoss]

If the voltage does not drop when using 2x3.7v bats it won't drop using 2x3.0v bats. This isn't an opinion, it's the simple application of Ohm's law. That test was absolutely valid.

Not necessarily Nuck... I obviously agree with Ohm's law and see what you are saying, but if there is a limiter in there, then it could theoretically not allow a voltage drop unless the voltage is below a certain level, just as it could allow the inverse eh. I'm not trying to be a butthead - just playing devil's advocate and pointing out that it is electronically possible, and with a pretty small device / circuit really.

So something like circ = if V < 7.1 then drop, else force step V 7.4

Basically if the circuit realizes it has batteries in there intended for 7.4, and the batteries are slowly wearing down... it needs to recognize to keep the voltage up until it can no longer sustain it, rather than just reach a point where it starts staging down to a different set.

I do not claim to know how this is how the Xhaler is setup, or if it even HAS circuitry at all... just pointing out a possibility!

Take care,
- Hap

 

[Thulium]

That's not true. Please read the previous posts.

It IS true. Here is what is advertised:

3.7 Volt 1 - 3.7V Battery
1 - Blank Spacer Battery
Tight Bottom Cap

5.0 Volt 2 - 3.0V Batteries
Tight Bottom Cap

6.0 Volt 2 - 3.0V Batteries
Loosen Bottom Cap

7.4 Volts 2 - 3.7V Batteries
Tight Bottom Cap

 

[Nuck]

That is not a proper application of Ohm's law. You are assuming that we are testing a single physical component (a resister), but we are talking about a voltage regulator circuit that was designed to output 5V when supplied with 6V and 7.4V when supplied with 7.4V.

The video shows the Xhaler working as advertised.

There is no voltage regulator circuit in the xhaler. In fact, there in no commercial mod out that I've ever seen that has one. Not sure where you got that from.

Resistance in series (which is the case on both the xhaler and the prodigy are cumulative)

Ohm's law always applies..there is no magic to get around it.

 

[Nuck]

It IS true. Here is what is advertised:

3.7 Volt 1 - 3.7V Battery
1 - Blank Spacer Battery
Tight Bottom Cap

5.0 Volt 2 - 3.0V Batteries
Tight Bottom Cap

6.0 Volt 2 - 3.0V Batteries
Loosen Bottom Cap

7.4 Volts 2 - 3.7V Batteries
Tight Bottom Cap

I have no idea what is advertised, I'm speaking only of the test and the attempts to discredit what is about as basic a test as there is. The cap in that particular unit and those of RidewithMe and Gotit do not drop the voltage. They have both posted to confirm the findings of the video.

 

[Lightgeoduck]

It IS true. Here is what is advertised:

3.7 Volt 1 - 3.7V Battery
1 - Blank Spacer Battery
Tight Bottom Cap

5.0 Volt 2 - 3.0V Batteries
Tight Bottom Cap

6.0 Volt 2 - 3.0V Batteries
Loosen Bottom Cap

7.4 Volts 2 - 3.7V Batteries
Tight Bottom Cap

that would lead me to believe with th above bold if 2 3.7v batts with tight bottom cap it would pop out 7.4v that that means there is no addition resistance factored in..... so how would 2 3v batteries with tight bottom cap produce 5v.........rhetorical question

 

[Nuck]

Not necessarily Nuck... I obviously agree with Ohm's law and see what you are saying, but if there is a limiter in there, then it could theoretically not allow a voltage drop unless the voltage is below a certain level, just as it could allow the inverse eh. I'm not trying to be a butthead - just playing devil's advocate and pointing out that it is electronically possible, and with a pretty small device / circuit really.

So something like circ = if V < 7.1 then drop, else force step V 7.4

Basically if the circuit realizes it has batteries in there intended for 7.4, and the batteries are slowly wearing down... it needs to recognize to keep the voltage up until it can no longer sustain it, rather than just reach a point where it starts staging down to a different set.

I do not claim to know how this is how the Xhaler is setup, or if it even HAS circuitry at all... just pointing out a possibility!

Take care,
- Hap

The xhaler apparently uses a resistive disc, not voltage regulation.

 

[Dea]

Please, this has nothing to do with the XHaler's ability or inability to do 5 volts.


I purchased the XHalers with the understanding, per NHaler's terms and conditions, that I could return them for any reason for a full refund, yet NHaler refuses to refund the purchase price.


If you wish to discuss the XHaler's ability or inability to do 5 volts please see the following threads:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/video-reviews/54575-when-5-volts-not-really-5-volts.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/nhaler/54724-vids-xhaler-5v.html

 

[HaploVoss]

that would lead me to believe with th above bold if 2 3.7v batts with tight bottom cap it would pop out 7.4v that that means there is no addition resistance factored in..... so how would 2 3v batteries with tight bottom cap produce 5v.........rhetorical question

Again.. this is an assumption that there is a circuit...

If I was designing it so it could achieve this seemingly opposing opperation which is what you are pointing out this is how it could work...

Soft diaphragm switch pack containing the circuit at one end or the other.

Tight end cap compresses the switch for regulation of voltage one way, decompression of switch allows for regulation of voltage the other way.

Voltage regulation IC circuits were one of the first ICs we configured in class eons ago, and they are 1/4 the size these days...

So, as I said I have no idea if there is even one in there, but it is definitely possible... so I really think somebody ought to ask Drew or I wish I could see the multi-meter tests :\

Take care,
- Hap

 

[Nuck]

Please, this has nothing to do with the XHaler's ability or inability to do 5 volts.


I purchased the XHalers with the understanding, per NHaler's terms and conditions, that I could return them for any reason for a full refund, yet NHaler refuses to refund the purchase price.


If you wish to discuss the XHaler's ability or inability to do 5 volts please see the following threads:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/video-reviews/54575-when-5-volts-not-really-5-volts.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/nhaler/54724-vids-xhaler-5v.html

You are absolutely correct..I apologize.

 

[Lightgeoduck]

Please, this has nothing to do with the XHaler's ability or inability to do 5 volts.


I purchased the XHalers with the understanding, per NHaler's terms and conditions, that I could return them for any reason for a full refund, yet NHaler refuses to refund the purchase price.


If you wish to discuss the XHaler's ability or inability to do 5 volts please see the following threads:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/video-reviews/54575-when-5-volts-not-really-5-volts.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/nhaler/54724-vids-xhaler-5v.html

I realized the mistake and was just about to say OT

Sorry Dea for my 1 post....but this seems to be a big topic these days
I wish you luck on your matter

 

[HaploVoss]

Please, this has nothing to do with the XHaler's ability or inability to do 5 volts.


I purchased the XHalers with the understanding, per NHaler's terms and conditions, that I could return them for any reason for a full refund, yet NHaler refuses to refund the purchase price.


If you wish to discuss the XHaler's ability or inability to do 5 volts please see the following threads:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/video-reviews/54575-when-5-volts-not-really-5-volts.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/nhaler/54724-vids-xhaler-5v.html

Many Apologies Dea... will do so, I did not even notice because I saw that thread and thought this was it by the content. I will do so.

Take care and I hope you get things sorted out!!
- Hap

 

[Thulium]

*self-redacted*

 

[Treeburner1983]

I ordered my first 510 kit from Nhaler since they're close by, and I got great service from them. However, I didn't have to return anything. I'm not going to say I won't order from them ever again, but between this thread, the 5v stuff, and imeothanasis's thread about The GG vs. The Xhaler, I can safely say I'll never buy an Xhaler, and will think twice about ordering supplies from Nhaler if issues like these go unresolved.

~CTdl

 

[Mr Sinister]

I apologize for unintentionally trolling. If the return policy states full refund, that is what you should get.

 

[niczgreat]

You should get a refund as per terms of service.

It's very interesting there is a post up as to how the xhaler compares to the Prodigy at 5v.with no comments.
There is not a single customer that owns both and says the xhaler is vaping equivalently to the Prodigy at 5v

That is the reason why I haven't bought one.

It's dissapointing to hear that Drew won't accept the units back. I've bought from him and spoke to him and he's a really nice guy.

Hopefully he'll look at this thread and realize that this is the internet age if you fart in Kalamazoo it's heard around the world!

 

[Scottbee]

I don't know if the XHaler will do 5V or not.

But what I will tell you is that the video test is INVALID. Fact.

You can NOT use incandescent bulbs as a fixed resistance load. Period.

The "cold" resistance of an incandescent bulb is substantially lower than the "hot" resistance.

An example from Wiki:

The actual resistance of the filament is temperature-dependent. The cold resistance of tungsten-filament lamps is about 1/15 the hot-filament resistance when the lamp is operating. For example, a 100-watt, 120-volt lamp has a resistance of 144 ohms when lit, but the cold resistance is much lower (about 9.5 ohms)

The video is bad math and bad science.

 

[kickitback]

I agree with Dea and she should get her refund no questions asked.

What I find very dissapointing is that nobody from Nhaler ( not sure if it's actually a compnay or a one man operation ) even bother coming here and speaking their mind.
Over 1300 views clearly shows peoples interest don't you think.

 

[angjen0816]

suppliers can't comment in here