Nhaler, extremely bad service

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JeannieB360

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Please, this has nothing to do with the XHaler's ability or inability to do 5 volts.


I purchased the XHalers with the understanding, per NHaler's terms and conditions, that I could return them for any reason for a full refund, yet NHaler refuses to refund the purchase price.


If you wish to discuss the XHaler's ability or inability to do 5 volts please see the following threads:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/video-reviews/54575-when-5-volts-not-really-5-volts.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/nhaler/54724-vids-xhaler-5v.html

I think it IS relevant to your original post since some people have questioned YOUR credibility by questioning Nhaler's 'walks on water' reputation and claim no one ELSE has ever had a poor experience with Nhaler.

Nhaler hasn't given you the refund you are entitled to based on their published policy - they are clearly in the wrong, even if this is the only time anyone has ever had a poor experience with them.

But you ARE right in recommending that further discussion of the 5v/6v issue move to a different thread - the point has already been made that at least a few people believe that Drew's reaction to being questioned and his deleting a thread about it DO tarnish his reputation.
 
Why not?
That makes no sense, a supplier should have the right/ option to defend himself, no matter where this topic was posted at .
But anyways, so far all I see is that whenever things don't goes his way it's either deleted or ignored.

Suppliers can't comment here because this is a review thread, not an advertising thread.
 

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    Turning into a he said, she said sorta deal. Those of us reading will have a tough time getting at the truth. Without proof positive.
    The problem is that there does seem to be another possible vendor or supplier involved, which makes the story kind of fishy. Not saying that is a definite, just a possibility. When you create a thread like this, you must be prepared to back it up 100%, otherwise, you do a disservice to the vendor AND customers.
    Just sayin
     

    Katmar

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    I agree with rfun6. Why didn't you mention this originally? It does seem germaine to the incident.
    If a company has a refund policy, then it needs to stand behind it, no matter what.
    I have a problem with how you handled it. You came off as an everyday customer who got shafted be NHaler.
    You say you did nothing wrong, but, I believe you are not blameless. You failed to disclose at the start of the tread that you are a beta tester. And it took several readers to point out that there IS a connection to another supplier, which you also did not disclose.
     

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    I agree with rfun6. Why didn't you mention this originally? It does seem germaine to the incident.
    If a company has a refund policy, then it needs to stand behind it, no matter what.
    I have a problem with how you handled it. You came off as an everyday customer who got shafted be NHaler.
    You say you did nothing wrong, but, I believe you are not blameless. You failed to disclose at the start of the tread that you are a beta tester. And it took several readers to point out that there IS a connection to another supplier, which you also did not disclose.
    Exactly. Dea, your credibility is blown...
     

    Dea

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    The beta tester issue came up two months ago. He had people, it was dropped. It had nothing to do with the xhaler. Never did!

    That's why I never said anything. Besides that I keep that part private for the people I work with. Their items are their own and I can't say who I've tested for or who I haven't.

    If I test a product I don't review it for the general public.

    Ya know, I get people are confused but the issue is still the issue. I can backup what I've said.
     

    SuZamme

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    I think you will get what you asked for, a refund.
    Whatever the story is behind all this, in my opinion, it vapes down to distrust, suspicion, and lack of clear communication between you and the staff at NHaler.
    This is a great example of why our court system is so out of whack...people trying to establish that they are RIGHT.
    Let it go now and know that you are supported here in working your way through a difficult and aggravating incident.
     

    jliu

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    I think you will get your refund. Seems like everyone of Drew's customers is recommending that you get it. The only reason is because Drew's refund policy isn't strong enough.

    Now, just because you have taken advantage of the guy doesn't mean what you are doing is okay.

    I would suggest that Vendors put together a blacklist of people that have scammed them. This can only benefit vendors in the long run.
     

    needvapor

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    This video was posted by a competing supplier under anothers name...They stated when asked that it was not menat as inflamatory...You judge...There are plenty of ways to make it not work...Only a couple to make it work...I will be posting a video of it working properly soon...Not for the trolls, but for the owners of this device....

    The other thread that was posted and started by Scottes was deleted by me at the advice of a mod and I had to agree...

    Sorry OT here but...

    I am happy that Drew started the other post in his forum so he can comment on the claims here!
     

    Dea

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    The other parts aren't a factor in what happened. I left them out for two reasons. They had no part in the problem, and I did not want to play the he said she said game. In my post which started this thread I did not even mention names. I desperately want to post my side of those extra issues being said. But doing so would be wrong. Things are being twisted and turned and complicated beyond belief. The only real issue is he's not honoring his return policy.

    Dea
     

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    The other parts aren't a factor in what happened. I left them out for two reasons. They had no part in the problem, and I did not want to play the he said she said game. In my post which started this thread I did not even mention names. I desperately want to post my side of those extra issues being said. But doing so would be wrong. Things are being twisted and turned and complicated beyond belief. The only real issue is he's not honoring his return policy.

    Dea

    Did you order the Xhaler to do a comparison or review? Your answer would influence my opinion concerning if you are eligible for a refund or not.
     

    kristin

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    Sounds to me like someone wanted to get a free look at Drew's design?

    Drew is not perfect, by any means. I was disappointed he changed a flavor's ingredients without telling anyone and wouldn't take a return when I didn't like it. But I never read the return policy. (He did offer to send me a new one.) So, while I support Drew, I am not a blind follower.

    However, he is not one to risk ticking off a customer without good reason. He takes great pride in his reputation and if there had been numerous problems with him or his company, we would have heard about it - people LOVE knocking other people off the pedestal.

    He must of felt pretty strongly about what was going on to not want to refund the OPs money and risk retribution.
     
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    I find it quite unfortunate that the OP did not post her concerns in a forum in which the supplier could defend themself. If a true resolution was desired, would that not be the appropriate starting point? As many have said, there are two sides to every story and we are only hearing one side. It is also a shame that this topic has strayed from it's original course only to return to the BS of the voltage offered by the Xhaler. Some of you have posted that you were considering the purchasing the Xhaler or doing business with this supplier and that now you no longer will.... That based on one thread where you have only heard one side of the story? That blows me away. I suggest you dig a little deeper and weigh the positive customer experience that 99% of folks have had with Nhaler before making such a rash and uninformed decision. If not, you are doing yourself an injustice. Flame away....

    I have no wish to flame you but i am going to assume you havent really read the entire thread. The OP went through many measures to address this concern before posting in the "Review" section which of course is intended for good and bad experiences alike.

    Second of all, Drew and nHaler could post their responses here if they wished. They simply have chosen not too. Due to the concern of having many posts with negative feedback being deleted, or the FEAR of that happening, she posted here instead. I think that was very reasonable. There is nothing stopping drew from responding to this thread so long as they do not attempt sales.

    The situation of voltage only came up in regards to the HONESTY of this seller, not because it was the point of the post. I definately feel that when discussing a negative review other negative or questionable conduct or experiences are completely valid. I dont quite understand why anyone would find this unreasonable?

    nHaler has failed to respond to the OP in a rasonable manner, has refused to sign for her returned packages, so they are no on their way BACK to her which will cause her to have to pay even more in fees. He has claimed they no longer honor their 30 day return policy, (which doesnt matter because the agreement that was made at the time of purchase is all the matters. Its legally binding as well.) but on top of denying they honor their policy anymore its still present on the site, which is a VERY dishonest way of doing business.

    Despite all of this, i think most people have remained very open minded. I know myself, given the situation i have stated how i feel at this moment, but on more then one occasion i have also stated with new or current information my opinion can change. The problem is that Nhaler has NOT yet responded (as of the post i am responding to.) to any of the claims. On top of it, when questioned even in an approachable way he has flamed people (which is viewable on another forum since they arent allowed to delete over there.) and has ignored or tried to get rid of many posts which have been negative in nhalers mind rather then responsibly responding to them.

    Given the information here, i guess i dont really see where you're coming from. the OP was very responsible, trying for going on two an a half weeks to deal with problems from the company before posting in a forum meant to address or inform people of both good AND Bad expereinces.

    I for one appreciate ALL the feedback in this thread, both good and bad, but i really dont appreciate people speaking poorly about others for sharing their experiences - if nhaler WANTED to share or deal with this situation they have had Plenty of opportunity since this thread opened.

    They have simply chosen not to reply.

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    That is simply NOT true. Drew CANNOT post in this forum since he is a supplier.

    I have no wish to flame you but i am going to assume you havent really read the entire thread. The OP went through many measures to address this concern before posting in the "Review" section which of course is intended for good and bad experiences alike.

    Second of all, Drew and nHaler could post their responses here if they wished. They simply have chosen not too. Due to the concern of having many posts with negative feedback being deleted, or the FEAR of that happening, she posted here instead. I think that was very reasonable. There is nothing stopping drew from responding to this thread so long as they do not attempt sales.

    The situation of voltage only came up in regards to the HONESTY of this seller, not because it was the point of the post. I definately feel that when discussing a negative review other negative or questionable conduct or experiences are completely valid. I dont quite understand why anyone would find this unreasonable?

    nHaler has failed to respond to the OP in a rasonable manner, has refused to sign for her returned packages, so they are no on their way BACK to her which will cause her to have to pay even more in fees. He has claimed they no longer honor their 30 day return policy, (which doesnt matter because the agreement that was made at the time of purchase is all the matters. Its legally binding as well.) but on top of denying they honor their policy anymore its still present on the site, which is a VERY dishonest way of doing business.

    Despite all of this, i think most people have remained very open minded. I know myself, given the situation i have stated how i feel at this moment, but on more then one occasion i have also stated with new or current information my opinion can change. The problem is that Nhaler has NOT yet responded (as of the post i am responding to.) to any of the claims. On top of it, when questioned even in an approachable way he has flamed people (which is viewable on another forum since they arent allowed to delete over there.) and has ignored or tried to get rid of many posts which have been negative in nhalers mind rather then responsibly responding to them.

    Given the information here, i guess i dont really see where you're coming from. the OP was very responsible, trying for going on two an a half weeks to deal with problems from the company before posting in a forum meant to address or inform people of both good AND Bad expereinces.

    I for one appreciate ALL the feedback in this thread, both good and bad, but i really dont appreciate people speaking poorly about others for sharing their experiences - if nhaler WANTED to share or deal with this situation they have had Plenty of opportunity since this thread opened.

    They have simply chosen not to reply.

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    Well, since Drew isn't allowed to post here, due to forum rules, I'll post his response from his thread:
    I think it is better that I cant post there casue I would of went off on them by now...
    This lady Dea originally contacted me as a Secret Beta tester requested free parts and liquids for secret beta test??? This sounded very fishy to me so I declined...
    After responding to countless PMs, from requesting a free or discounted Xhaler, I declined and she said fine that she could afford one...
    She then ordered 2 and started requesting disassembled parts for "additional testing"... All along, mind you I am scratching my head...Why would someone perform Secret un solicited Beta Testing???? Who are we reporting to???
    At the same time this was going on her husband was also sending me PMs, but not disclosing that they were related...He also started the thread that was deleted...
    When My worker asked her if she was the same beta tester she " Im not sure what your talking about"

    After many PMs and talks and sending her a new spring that she claimed was not in the unit after well over 5 days of use and secret testing (which is stated on my site , but noyt in her post in the other thread)...She sent me a PM stating that she would be returning them for a full refund????
    And that her husband would be writing the most comprehensive review on high voltage mods, but She told him she didnt think it would be right for him to include the Xhaler???? I have to say that this is very Bazzar....I then get a call from my worker that she called and said that she sent it back and wouldnt say why??? I told him to call her back and ask why she was returning them...I was busy that day...Although someone had talked to her everyday for 3 days in a row for at least 20 minutes per call...
    We returned her call everyday that she made a call or request...
    I have refunded many people and replaced hundreds of items...When the request are resonable....
    I will not cave to scam artists...I work extremley hard and have VERY competitive pricing... I am more than fair with customers...

    Oh and as far as me delting threads I have 3 or4 deleted threads in my forum two of them are rants about disatisfied customers and I am currently ranked number one supplier in this and at least one other forum... Who are your favorite online vendors?

    WHat do my customers think I should do???
    Thansk again folks
    Drew
     
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