Nic Base Storage: Freezer vs. Room Temp Experiment
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I don't know, I generally prefer freebase nic. I currently vape MTl at 13mg, so harshness isn't a problem. In fact, I like the TH/bite that freebase provides at those levels. The only time I use salts is when I do trade shows, where my ability to vape is greatly constrained, and that normally only happens every other year.
Anyway, there's no real consensus on how long any kind of nic lasts at room temperature. All of my samples started discoloring quite rapidly, yet there are still people who say they keep their regular, freebase nic at room temperature for as long as a year without any noticeable degradation....?
Then there's one vendor of nic who explicitly recommends against freezing. This has come up repeatedly of late, so last night I ordered some of their super-special, super-expensive, super-critical CO2-extracted nic in both PG and VG and will test the stuff. This time I'll be comparing three temps: Room, Freezer, and Refrigerator.
This will be interesting. And expensive unless you are just buying one bottle of each and decanting from the glass bottle it comes in which I guess you will have to cuz I think they come in amber bottles only.
I am particularly interested to see how the vg nic performs in those three scenarios since that is what I purchase.
Do you think it would be useful to do the experiment with different vendor nic to compare among the most popular brands? Now would be the time before your experiment starts. Not trying to spend your money for you, just a thought.
Yep. I ordered two 120ml sample bottles, one in PG and one in VG. Each will be decanted into three 30ml clear bottles. There will obviously be some left over from each. I plan to mix that down and vape it to see if I can tell the difference between it and the nic I'm currently vaping.
I already have one one set of VG samples up in PA. They're from VT and are now about 2-1/2 years old. I haven't spent much time up there this year, so it's been a while since I posted an update on them, but I'll be there the entire month of December and promise to post an update then.
Two of my samples are WL. Most are VT. In the nicotine comparison thread back in 2015, I had four "premium" vendors' nics, each of which had about 40ml left in the bottle after I sent out the samples. At the time, I wasn't aware how quickly nic would oxidize at room temperature, so I stuck all of them in a cupboard until I was ready to mix with the left-overs. That was several months later, and every one of them had noticeably degraded. Of course those bottles had been opened and had a lot of head-space, but still, that experience provided much of the motivation for the more formal testing in this thread.
So my considered opinion right now is that there isn't much difference between brands of regular, freebase nic when it comes to storage, and I'm not going to order every possible vendor's nic. But in the interest of science, I will add one some of my own NN Armor V1 to the upcoming three-temperature test.
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I disposed of two liters of 100mg nic base that was stored at room temp a couple of years ago. i kind of wish that I had kept it and froze it. Looking down into the bottle from the top I could detect a yellow tint and the beginnings of a musty smell. I ended up using it to kill fire ant mounds on my property and it worked really well for that! Years later we have almost no ants.
I split the two liters of replacement nic into 240ml clear glass Boston Rounds bottles and that went into my freezer immediately. It's still nice and clear. I put the bottles into heavy duty freezer bags inside a corrugated cardboard box in the freezer so I could open the box and inspect for clarity and color change (and for leak containment, just in case).
What was left over went into a 60ml bottle. I kept that in the fridge for a while and used it up.
I split the two liters of replacement nic into 240ml clear glass Boston Rounds bottles and that went into my freezer immediately. It's still nice and clear. I put the bottles into heavy duty freezer bags inside a corrugated cardboard box in the freezer so I could open the box and inspect for clarity and color change (and for leak containment, just in case).
What was left over went into a 60ml bottle. I kept that in the fridge for a while and used it up.
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My 100mg pg salts after 2y of freezer storage are still good, no difference in color, smell, or strength that I notice. Salts that are left out at room temp in amber glass will get orange but smell & strength seem fine to me. They vape quite well. My working bottles (120ml) of both the 100 & 250 will slowly color though kept in the fridge when not in active use. Once mixed the color changes very slowly but does change.
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I do not believe EVEN the great Chemovape nic or whatever it has called has been able to genetically modify nic so it self destructs after 2 years when frozen or whatever.
If they have, I am calling them. I need them to fix my bipolar disorder and ADHD.
However, I too await experiments but I am not a nic pincess. Most of my stash is either various sorts of like, Nic River, some of the stuff from Nude Nic, and Heartlands.
I have a gallon of salt nic from Nic River it seems to be doing fine. I think I've had it frozen a LONG time. I don't know if any of these "differences" will be noticeable immediately, I mean maybe after 15 years? Who knows. I am saving the salts for last in case I get all nic sensitivity like throat wise as an old old lady. Who knows.
@Rossum @mikepetro you are the best! Advising me (and anyone else paying attention) on HOW to stock up since I got to ECF
Anna
If they have, I am calling them. I need them to fix my bipolar disorder and ADHD.
However, I too await experiments but I am not a nic pincess. Most of my stash is either various sorts of like, Nic River, some of the stuff from Nude Nic, and Heartlands.
I have a gallon of salt nic from Nic River it seems to be doing fine. I think I've had it frozen a LONG time. I don't know if any of these "differences" will be noticeable immediately, I mean maybe after 15 years? Who knows. I am saving the salts for last in case I get all nic sensitivity like throat wise as an old old lady. Who knows.
@Rossum @mikepetro you are the best! Advising me (and anyone else paying attention) on HOW to stock up since I got to ECF
Anna
Mine was VG , non-salt nic. They did not require me to send it back. They said they refunded me a week ago but I don’t see the credit yet. I can’t believe the bad luck I’ve had with nic lately. But my worst experience has been with LNW. They are being awful about the whole thing. They received my return over 2 weeks ago and are now ignoring my emails
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Does anyone know if ECF still has the vendor complaint section? I’m not seeing it
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Seems like NR had a bad batch. Wanted to place order with them, but will stay put until sure they corrected the problem.
One of the things I've been asked repeatedly is, "How does keeping nic in the refrigerator compare to room temperature or the freezer?" The only answer I've been able to give is, "I don't know, I've never tried it." I've been asked often enough that I started regretting having only bough two of each sample instead of three.
Another thing people have asked is, "How about that Carolina Extraction Tech nic that's done using supercritical C02 instead of solvents; is it worth the silly prices they charge for it?"
So I think it's time to do find out, and without further ado, I present the latest set of samples:
Both CX samples are fresh. I ordered them last weekend and they arrived on Thursday.
The NN Armor is from May of 2014 but has been in my freezer the whole time.
The VT is from May of 2017. It was one of a pair of Freeze and Room Temperature samples, but the Room Temperature one got opened in order to find out if there was an inner seal under the cap when someone got some less than wonderful nic from them. I caught a whiff of the room temperature sample at that point and decided there was no sense in keeping it; I'd never vape that.
But there's only one of each. Right, and three of four are in brown glass bottles, which makes things tough anyway, so I also ordered up a dozen 30 ml clear glass bottles with polycone caps. More pics to follow.
Another thing people have asked is, "How about that Carolina Extraction Tech nic that's done using supercritical C02 instead of solvents; is it worth the silly prices they charge for it?"
So I think it's time to do find out, and without further ado, I present the latest set of samples:
Both CX samples are fresh. I ordered them last weekend and they arrived on Thursday.
The NN Armor is from May of 2014 but has been in my freezer the whole time.
The VT is from May of 2017. It was one of a pair of Freeze and Room Temperature samples, but the Room Temperature one got opened in order to find out if there was an inner seal under the cap when someone got some less than wonderful nic from them. I caught a whiff of the room temperature sample at that point and decided there was no sense in keeping it; I'd never vape that.
But there's only one of each. Right, and three of four are in brown glass bottles, which makes things tough anyway, so I also ordered up a dozen 30 ml clear glass bottles with polycone caps. More pics to follow.
All four types, side by-side:
And with their order reversed, because the light in my "studio" isn't quite even:
And with their order reversed, because the light in my "studio" isn't quite even:
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