Nic Base Storage: Freezer vs. Room Temp Experiment

[stols001]

Yeah, I totally don't want to try synthetic nic now. @Rossum made it sound really intimidating. Like, I can't even tell if all that stuff is GOOD or BAD so hence... .intimidating.

Because if it's got different junk.... Well that's a really big deal to some people and they will go to great LENGTHS to change it, but sometimes the original just WORKED better, like the alphabet soup is what I'm saying here.

I'm not touching it unless @Rossum says it is totally harmless. If he knows. I sure don't LOL.

Anna

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

IF synthetic nic is no more dangerous than vaping real nic, I wonder if it's possible (through lawsuits from those with deep pockets) to stop the FDA from deeming it a "tobacco product". I don't know if they deem it tobacco or not right now, but they will.

 

[Alexander Mundy]

IF synthetic nic is no more dangerous than vaping real nic, I wonder if it's possible (through lawsuits from those with deep pockets) to stop the FDA from deeming it a "tobacco product". I don't know if they deem it tobacco or not right now, but they will.

It's an unregulated drug if not tobacco. The only reason the FDA was stopped back in 2009? from confiscating shipments was because the court said it fell under the tobacco laws and wasn't an unregulated drug and that the FDA could regulate it as such. Which leads us to what is happening today.

 

[Brewdawg1181]

IF synthetic nic is no more dangerous than vaping real nic, I wonder if it's possible (through lawsuits from those with deep pockets) to stop the FDA from deeming it a "tobacco product". I don't know if they deem it tobacco or not right now, but they will.

I had that same question, and discussion with someone here a couple of months ago, and they pointed me to the deeming docs that define even synthetic as a "tobacco product." IIRC, the definitions are all about use/application.

And just a few posts ago in this thread, @Alexander Mundy posted a link from ECF Resident Chemist/Guru, and he makes it sound quite different than extracted nic, and far more unknown, and since there's virtually nothing known about it, it wouldn't (shouldn't?) be considered no more dangerous. A couple of comments after Mundy's post indicate people might've missed it, so I'm reposting here for safety. I don't think anyone would read this and want to give it a go.

Getting lots of error messages, and it won't let me post the link or the quote, but here's what he said (hopefully it'll let me paste this snip) in the Nicotine Comparisons thread:

 

[ChelsB]

A little off topic but I will be making DIY nic pics today. I hope I’m successful as my use of the Zyn nicotine pouches I use while at work is really adding up. Granted the 3 mg is very effective at curbing my cravings (I normally vape at 6mg , but find when I consume nicotine in alternative ways such as pouches or gum, I feel no nausea at the lower levels), since I have lots of nic, why not try to save some money. I will report my results, if successful.


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[ChelsB]

Your repeated oxidized nic experience led me to wonder if there's a chance your local UPS/Fedex location might be inadvertently exposing shipments to heat in some way before they reach your door. This has happened too many times to be a coincidence.

Good luck with Heartland - at least it's a pretty small investment to find out!

Yep, that’s exactly why I’ve stopped buying liters. That way I’m not out too much money. I wondered the same about the transit affecting the oxidation but thought ordering in January would avoid that issue. I sure wish there was a store nearby I could physically go to for my next purchase *sigh*


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[stols001]

I think @ChelsB lives in CA, actually? Like, I have a feeling they "pre oxidize" all the nic as it crosses the state border.

I put nothing past CA. Absolutely Nothing.

Anna

 

[Alexander Mundy]

They have said in the past that synthetic nicotine claims would be reviewed on a case by case basis and most likely a closed disposable synthetic nicotine delivery device would not be a tobacco product.

However (my words not theirs) if you sell turnip juice to be used in a device that could be used for a tobacco product then turnip juice is a tobacco product.

 

[stols001]

It's cause the FDA loves chemistry and manufacturing like, synthetic versions of holistic plants at vast prices, OMG I am starting to sound like that functional medicine dude.

If you believe in science, well, I am here to say, read Wikipedia's like description of functional medicine. It is hilarious, appeared to be written by someone who had been deeply ripped off by one, and had done his/her research.

I will say, waking up at 5 am on a Saturday sort of makes me want to go see one. Maybe, like that motivational saying said, "Waking up between 3--5 am? Perhaps you are becoming more spiritual," is true. If "spiritual" sometimes means "credulous idiot" which I have to admit I sometimes think it does.

Yeah, I'm a horrible person but the FDA are both disturbed by and admiring of synthetic nicotine, you mark my words. They are like, "Is it under patent?"

Anna

 

[ChelsB]

I think @ChelsB lives in CA, actually? Like, I have a feeling they "pre oxidize" all the nic as it crosses the state border.

I put nothing past CA. Absolutely Nothing.

Anna

Yes, I’m in CA. But there’s got to be others living in CA that aren’t having such issues !


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[Rossum]

Huh?

I'm not very good at explaining this stuff, but start here:
Isomer - Wikipedia

My understanding is that the (S)- and (R)- isomers of nicotine are stereoisomers:
Stereoisomerism - Wikipedia

There are many such compounds and biological systems are very good at producing (and using) the ones they want, whereas synthetic production methods tend to create them in equal amounts.

 

[Rossum]

Yeah, I totally don't want to try synthetic nic now.

I'm not touching it unless @Rossum says it is totally harmless. If he knows. I sure don't LOL.

I don't know either. <- This should not be taken to imply that I think it's harmful.

But I'm sure not paying several times as much for synthetic stuff (with an unknown ratio of isomers!) than I would spend on absolutely top-shelf nic extracted from tobacco.

 

[Rossum]

Yes, I’m in CA. But there’s got to be others living in CA that aren’t having such issues !

Nude Nicotine is in California (down in Sandy Eggo, IIRC) and they've always had a stellar reputation for product quality (but not speedy shipment).

 

[ChelsB]

Does anyone have an opinion or experience with the ultra premium nic at heartland? What’s the difference? Yes it’s more expensive but if it’s actually high quality and not just a marketing ploy, I’m willing to pay for it


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[Lowjumper]

Does anyone have an opinion or experience with the ultra premium nic at heartland? What’s the difference? Yes it’s more expensive but if it’s actually high quality and not just a marketing ploy, I’m willing to pay for it

When I started buying nic from heartland the house brand was all they sold, around 2014 or so. All the nic has been clear and low oder ! There's lots of marketing ploys out there, aimed at getting you to spend more money. I'm cheep and am currently vaping 6 year old heartland nic and couldn't be any happy-er!

 

[Nermal]

$140 per ml - it's significantly yellow for "new stock", has an "odor" and no production date?

Is that a typo? I would never have started at $140/ml.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

LOL. I mean $140/l

 

[CMD-Ky]

Nude Nicotine is in California (down in Sandy Eggo, IIIRC) and they've always had a stellar reputation for product quality (but not speedy shipment).

Nude Nicotine is all that I have purchased. I started after I got a sample several years back and now have enough to last my lifetime and a goodly portion of my daughter's.
I have yet to be disappointed. (I did take your advice and waited until cooler weather was across the Plains and into Kentucky.

 

[CMD-Ky]

LOL. I mean $140/l

You are not alone.
Keyboard Dyslexia

 

[ChelsB]

BTW, did that suspect nic from NR purge itself out or have folks still encountered problems?

I know this is an older post but did you ever get an answer to this? I’m hoping this was a fluke and I can be rest assured buying from them again


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