Nic Base Storage: Freezer vs. Room Temp Experiment
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With Armor V2, it's probably OK. Those fancy tops are designed to keep oxygen and water vapor out of the bottles. In fact, if they're working correctly, the headspace in the bottle will remain under vaccuum.
The problem with opening conventional bottles when they're still cold is that condensation will form inside the bottle. IMO, conventional bottles should be allowed to come to room temperature before they're opened.
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I'm still vaping nic from 2014. It's absolutely fine. I can't think of any reason it would be any worse in another 6 years either.
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Thanks, Rossum! That's what I've been doing. My small (125 ml) argon-sealed bottles get to sit in the fridge and then at room temp for a while before I open them. I was mainly concerned about the V2--I still have 2 bottles of those.
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I'm pretty sure it's in this thread somewhere; I bought some from them, 120ml in PG and 120ml in VG. The PG nic smelled and looked very clean. The VG nic, not so much.
I agree. It was a bit tongue in cheek. I have a feeling that properly stored nicotine base may last and last. The concentration may slightly degrade, over time, perhaps, but that doesn't worry me.
Can someone explain the difference between NN's Armor V1, V2 and V3? I guess its all the same nic, but just packaged differently?
V1 is bottled with Argon, that's obvious, but what's the difference between V2 (anti-leak) and V3 (anti oxidation)? Product page doesn't say anything and FAQ page doesn't either.
V1 is bottled with Argon, that's obvious, but what's the difference between V2 (anti-leak) and V3 (anti oxidation)? Product page doesn't say anything and FAQ page doesn't either.
Nude Armor v1 Nicotine Salts™ - Argon
Nude Armor v2 Nicotine Salts™ - Anti Leak
"V3 is for those who are willing to experiment with chemical formulation which uses ascorbic acid to chemically withstand oxidation. Now this may affect the flavor of the base, so it is definitely for those DIYS who want to experiment with a change in chemical composition."
V1 is in conventional glass bottles, purged with argon.
V2 is in glass bottles under vacuum, with a special top that's supposed to let you extract liquid without letting in any air.
V3 is in plastic with something added that ostensibly slows oxidation.
I'd have vaped it.
I buy all of my nic in just PG. I add the VG & flavors when I'm mixing to actually vape it (which is usually pretty far from when I purchased it).
Been trying to gather info from this thread and want to ask a question. I have 500ml of 250mg VG coming (nicotine River), I won't need to use any of it for at least 6 months and what I think I should do is don't even open the plastic container but put it directly into the deepfreezer until needed. Then break it up into smaller glass bottles. (part of me wants to look at it smell it but I'm getting what I'm getting and curiosity won't help the nicotine).
Also my deepfreezer can go down to -20f but now I have it operating around -3f. Should I turn it down more?
Thanks
So I'll try to contribute something instead of just take. I was vaping vapers tek regular nic subohm no flavor at 50mg for a couple years. A few months back I switched to
Nicotine river had to buy their 48mg mix and comparing it to Vaperstek it was really close although I did notice a slight peanut butter flavor (closest thing I could think of to describe it) and considered it a nice change and pleasant. But all in all the difference was small. Note- It could be a difference in vg brand..whatever nicotine river uses vs. my essential depot. (sorry it wasn't more scientific).
Thanks for all the work thats been done here!!!
Also my deepfreezer can go down to -20f but now I have it operating around -3f. Should I turn it down more?
Thanks
So I'll try to contribute something instead of just take. I was vaping vapers tek regular nic subohm no flavor at 50mg for a couple years. A few months back I switched to
Nicotine river had to buy their 48mg mix and comparing it to Vaperstek it was really close although I did notice a slight peanut butter flavor (closest thing I could think of to describe it) and considered it a nice change and pleasant. But all in all the difference was small. Note- It could be a difference in vg brand..whatever nicotine river uses vs. my essential depot. (sorry it wasn't more scientific).
Thanks for all the work thats been done here!!!
I think it would be wise to open it and check it out (smell and look). Why would you want to wait 6 months to find out you got a bad bottle? Given the vape mail ban, you won't be able to replace it. Any degradation/oxidation you might get from opening it pales in comparison to losing a whole liter of nic that you can't replace.
And while you're at it, just decant it into your glass bottles. This will allow you to get a better look at it.
This forum has many posts about getting bad nic shipments from Nic River but I would recommend checking it no matter who you bought it from.
When I first got a larger container, I thought it through like this - two approaches:
1) repackage right away into smaller bottles, then remove a single bottle as needed over time (and keep that one out for use). That means in-use bottle will be cool/dark rather than freezer for something like 4-6 months, the rest in freezer from the time I get it.
2) Freezer the big bottle, then every few month, open it and pour some out for use.
#2 seemed like a LOT more exposure for most of the nic, and more hassle (pouring while cold), etc.
So I repackaged it.
I did just decide to grab one more liter - and will probably pop that unopened in the freezer, as it's more than 5 years away...
Wouldn't be able to afford another bottle to replace if it is bad and wouldn't be able to afford not buying another bottle because the price for juice from the not so local stores will be astronomical in comparison. I guess I better get some more glass bottles quick. Thanks
If you hurry up and buy it, River will replace it if it's no good. But you have to check it ASAP because you are running out of time. I hear all the major nic suppliers are swamped and not shipping as fast as normal. So you have to take fulfillment time into consideration. There is a rumor going around (according to Mountain Oak Vapors) that the mail ban will go into effect 1st week of April.
If you don't have bottles by the time your nic arrives, just use a nice clean glass to dump a little nic in to check it's color, then dump it back into the Nic River bottle and place the bottle in the freezer until you get your glass bottles.
Bottles are not a high priority. The nic is. Get the bottles but don't stress over the bottles. Those aren't being banned.
VG salts is what I have from Carolina Xtract. When I first mixed it in an unflavored batch, it had a mild note of Virginia tobacco. I let the same bottle of nicotine sit at room temperature in summer for a few months. I mixed another batch and it had a mild aroma and flavor to it that's hard to describe.
Around the same time we had a tree chopped down and put in the wood chipper. The smell of the tree being chipped was very similar. It actually messed with my brain a little. Every time I walked by the pile of fresh wood chips I had this feeling like I accidentally spilled a lot of nicotine somewhere.
I wouldn't say it's an unpleasant taste/smell, but definitely there. If you're adding flavoring, it's something you don't notice.
I've been happy with their nic so far, but I thought it would be prudent to diversify into a different brand. Unfortunately, although I have tried recently, I have been unable to get anything shipped to NY.
Anyone else have any luck getting nicotine to NY recently?
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