nic is a poison please don't kill a kid

[Rocketman]

Well I have an electric blanket and a mobile phone two feet from my head while I sleep.

Beat that.

I hope you aren't one of those that leave your electric blanket out in the open for some punks to break in and steal.
BTW, real men don't use electric blankets


Electric blankets have killed more people than flavored e-juice and exploding mods put together.

(over 1100 hits, 121 posts, 71 likes, in what, 5 hours or so? This is one popular thread )

 

[Blakd]

Hey, when did Lawn Darts get taken off the market? Does that mean I cannot play with mine anymore? My kids used to love them. We taught them how to play with them - with respect - not fear...

I played with lawn darts as a kid and never once did I hurt anyone. Of course they could run pretty fast. I was really sad to hear that Lawn Darts, and real Chemistry sets were taken off the market.

 

[ambition]

Wow. Lawn darts look awesome. Had never heard of them before.

Had a chemistry set as a kid, didn't know they were banned either.

I think it's time we started wrapping kids up in big protective bubbles like these...

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zorb

 

[N rustica]

hahaaa....today i had to use pliers to open a defective child proof bottle. i cursed the .......s who invented such a stupid thing. i will now request a non child proof bottle or not use the vendor anymore.


i ate a bottle of amphetamine diet pills when i was a baby back in the 1960s, it made me a better person.

 

[zoiDman]

With some of the Posts made in this Thread and the Many of the Derogatory Remarks made at the OP, it is easy to Unsubscribe this one.

This was a New Low.

I aint gonna stick around and watch a Person New to the ECF with Good Intentions get Kicked in the Dirt by a Self Righteous Mob.

 

[Kamin_Majere]

I think you have a good point, nicotine is a poison. But keeping it away from you children should be second nature for parents. I don't let my daughter drink antifreeze so why would I let her drink this.

But on the other side i'm not going to put my liquid in a child proof bottle, inside a safe, and buried in the ground. Its all about picking battles with children. Sometimes you let them test something to know its a bad idea (when you know it wont hurt them as much as startle them) and other times you explain to them or punish them to keep them away from things that can be an honest hazard to them. Just part of being a parent.

My liquids are in the humidor with my cigars, my daughter knows that is daddy's and not to touch it or trouble will follow, in the same way she knows not to get into the cabinet under the sink where the cleaning supplies are. She's 4 so sometimes reminders are needed, but 999 out of 1000 times she completely ignores the places I have told her not to be, and the once in a blue moon she forgets/ignores we remind her (talking or punishing as required by the situation)

Honestly I could leave the liquid on the coffee table in full view and paint colorful clowns on the bottles and I would trust her to leave them alone if I told her to right now... its when she's a teenager that I fear. We've all lived through the teen years and know you become half crazy during that time period.

 

[ambition]

I dunno man.

The whole keep your nic away from the kiddies thing has been stickied, youtubed, posted, tweeted, blogged, beaten to a bloody pulp, shot, stabbed, strangled, hung drawn and quartered, poisoned, revived and then sodomised.

If its really a problem we should be just campaigning for yet another warning label dontya think.

 

[DC2]

When do teens and young adults realize they aren't really invincible? 25? 30?

Well, I can't speak for everyone, but it took me until I separated my shoulder skiing at 42 to learn I was no longer invincible.

 

[chinsk]

Tobacco companies are marketing a "safe cigarette", also known as fourth generation electrically heated smoking system (EHCSS). Anybody knows about this? I keep stumbling on medical research done recently using these devices. In the papers, they specify the devices are not marketed yet, and provided to researchers by Phillip Morris. I wonder when they come out with these? I'm sure they will already have scientific data that they are safer than cigarettes, and then the FDA will gleefully say "the EHCSS is a scientifically proven safe alternative to smoking, while e-cigs, well... we don't know what's in them". I find this quite intriguing but I don't know much about it...

I guess it's a variation of this: Patent US6803545 - Electrically heated smoking system and methods for supplying electrical ... - Google Patents

Also: Philip Morris buys smokeless nicotine technology from Duke researcher

Be afraid, be very afraid...

"An electrically heating smoking system wherein tobacco smoke is generated by heating a portion of a cigarette with an electrical resistance heating element powered by lithium ion battery cells. The lithium ion battery cells supply current to the electrical resistance heating element with current up to 20 times greater than the recommended discharge rate. To prevent damage to the lithium ion battery cells under such high discharge conditions, the smoking system includes a controller which provides modulated pulses of electrical power from the battery cells to the resistance heating element during smoking of the cigarette." Looks like a philip morris mod.

Did you look at the drawing? The heating element of "8 equally spaced" heating elements around what is referred to as a "cigarette", each element responsible for one of 8 "puffs" described as being the contents of the "cigarette" consumable. I skimmed the patent (lengthy read) of both the battery ("lighter") unit as well as the consumable "cigarette". The cigarette however looks like a very different beast than what an e-cig uses. I need to go grocery shopping but I plan on giving these patents a closer read, very interesting thought\.

I have been wondering why the big tobacco companies have been so quiet on the e-cig product front, this shows that isnt't the case at all, these boys have been very busy.

EDIT: This news in of itself deserves its own thread. I would hate for this to get lost in the silliness of whats going on in this one. Are there any threads on this? If so I missed it.

 

[N rustica]

With some of the Posts made in this Thread and the Many of the Derogatory Remarks made at the OP, it is easy to Unsubscribe this one.

This was a New Low.

I aint gonna stick around and watch a Person New to the ECF with Good Intentions get Kicked in the Dirt by a Self Righteous Mob.

the op was not also self righteous? if you plant it, it will grow.

 

[DC2]

For most of those substances I'd happily give $100 to anyone that can take a swig without barfing it up.

Same goes for our nicotine liquids.

 

[N rustica]

Lets look at a solution to this real problem, at least exploding batteries burn the vaper not the inocent.
Alan

i agree with the point labeling with skull and crossbones

batteries can explode while in the charger, hurting more than the vaper

 

[DC2]

Nicotine has a bad reputation due to it's association with cigarettes, but it is not a bad drug. Nicotine may account for the addiction to cigarettes but it does not cause death or disease, it is the chemicals found in cigarettes which are added during the production process that account for the consequences of smoking, not nicotine.

It's actually the "lighting it on fire and inhaling it" part.

 

[go_player]

While I agree with a lot of your post...

Sometimes you let them test something to know its a bad idea (when you know it wont hurt them as much as startle them)

if your kids "experiment" with drinking your juice they are likely to die, which kind of limits how useful anything they might learn from the experience is going to be.

I don't think people should get hysterical about this- we use lots of very dangerous chemicals regularly. But I don't think you should be complacent about it either. The juice really is a deadly poison, and you really should make sure that your kids and pets can't get into it.

 

[Jammin]

Very informative post and I agree. While I don't know anyone here who would be so careless or cruel, my bf knows/knew deadbeat people who do coke and who knows what else all day and have 2-3 kids in each household. I could totally see them letting a child taste the juice to see the reaction, unfortunately. They are too stupid to know that could be a fatal mistake. The world is full of idiots and if they stumbled on this post via Google, it's all for the better.

Yea, but the idiots you are referring to would never see this thread, nor would they care if they did. The only people who are seeing this thread are people who most likely have enough sense in the first place. The couple in question doesn't care about their kids at all, why would a thread like this make one iota of difference to people like that?

I think he started off this OP in an arrogant fashion, and he is probably new to internet forums and figured he would come charging in sharing new info to the "poor misinformed folks" of ECF. *jammin rolls her eyes now*

Perhaps if he actually read some of the threads here at ECF he would have found this is a very safe group who educates the public about all things that have to do with vaping.

 

[Rocketman]

E-cigs and e-juice aren't attractive to kids. They won't end up taking them to school to show off near as fast as they would a gun. And those of you with live-at-home 25 year old responsible teens, or 16 year old teens that invite 25 year old responsible teens over while you are out with your wife don't have to worry about them getting into your nic stash, they're more interested in huffing paint and smoking potpourri. Hide your booze, not your nic.

and as far as swallowing this awful tasting stuff, 30ml of 24mg/ml nic juice probably wouldn't taste so bad in a 12 oz energy drink. Hopefully your daughter won't be riding with the fool after he downs that one. Dead driver or drunk driver? Which one do you want your kids riding with?

Look, kid means anything up to some vague age, just before middle age, when it starts all over again. At least the kids you hear about in the news shooting up schools, being bullied by the in-crowd, wanting to commit suicide, getting drunk, driving while drunk, texting while driving, PROBABLY WEREN'T ON A NICOTINE HIGH. We are safe for now. Kids are back on tobacco, who wants liquid nic?

This of course doesn't apply to those that are reading this, just the others folks. and here I go again preaching to the choir.
How do we get the ones that NEED to read this to click in? maybe that's what the tweet button is for.

 

[Jammin]

E-cigs and e-juice aren't attractive to kids. They won't end up taking them to school to show off near as fast as they would a gun. And those of you with live at home 25 year old responsible teens, or 16 year old teens that invite 25 year old teens over while you are out with your wife don't have to worry about them getting into your nic stash, their more interested in huffing paint and smoking potpourri. Hide your booze, not your nic.

and as far as swallowing this awful tasting stuff, 30ml of 24mg/ml nic juice probably wouldn't taste so bad in a 12 oz energy drink. Hopefully your daughter won't be riding with the fool after he downs that one. Dead driver or drunk driver? Which one do you want your kids riding with?

Look, kid means anything up to some vague age, just before middle age, when it starts all over again. At least the kids you hear about in the news shooting up schools, being bullied by the in-crowd, wanting to commit suicide, getting drunk, driving while drunk, texting while driving, PROBABLY WEREN'T ON A NICOTINE HIGH. We are safe for now. Kids are back on tobacco, who wants liquid nic?

This of course doesn't apply to those that are reading this, just the others folks. and here I go again preaching to the choir.
How do we get the ones that NEED to read this to click in? maybe that's what the tweet button is for.

Yea, so many people keep saying that chemicals under your sink do not taste like peanut butter or blueberries. Umm, do any of you not get some juice on your lips? E-Liquid does not TASTE a bit like the way it vapes. It "tastes" like holy crap in liquid form.

 

[electrotimba]

Are todays children all mentally challenged as compared to years, decades earlier? There were no child safe bottles, plug-points, and all those things parents today "must have" in my days as a child. We were moving around after school till the evening, moms were no checking on as on mobile phones. We did all kind of things we were not suppose to do and parents never found out, including trying cigarettes, playing doctor (I liked it more then smoking). We did fall from bikes, trees etc, got scratched knees, cuts, blue spots got into fights, stealing apples from a garden... and we all grown up, went to schools, Universities grown to be rather normal human beings, incredible all that without child proof bottles, RFID implants, pagers and mobile phones..

 

[zoiDman]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-if-child-swallows-my-6mg-nicotine-juice.html

 

[Jammin]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-if-child-swallows-my-6mg-nicotine-juice.html

Substitute 6mgs of nic juice with any poison zoiDman. Parents have to WATCH their kids around things that are not safe.