Nicotine Comparisons

[TravelinGirl]

Surely an ever recurrent question.
Durability of 100g/ml PG base sealed and stored in a freezer?

Not sure about PG, HOWEVER, I have a bottle of VG 100 mg I have had stored since May 2010. I found it deep in my freezer in mid 2014. Pulled it out and tested it. It tested at about 97 mg. No clue what it was when I stored it because I did not have a test kit then. I saved the bottle for test purposes. I vape a little of it and have tested it every year since. May 2018, thawing every year, still clear as a bell, no change in smell, vapes like brand new nic and tested at about 95'ish mg. so 2 mg in 4 years........ Of course, these tests are not perfect. You eyeball the color to a bright yellow soooo it could very well still be 97 mg. Either way, I will take it

 

[Winblows]

Testing vape base for nicotine is a complicated process, but worst-case, I can always buy a fresh bottle of nic. base and compare it with the base that I expect to be after dilution ...

 

[r77r7r]

Only 264 pages in over 6 yrs. Slowest moving thread on ecf?

 

[440BB]

Nic bump

 

[cigatron]

Nic Nudge

 

[Katdarling]

Nic Nic, Bo Bic
fana fo fic

 

[Winblows]

Only 264 pages in over 6 yrs. Slowest moving thread on ecf?

It may be caused by that we use more time enjoying nic and less for comparisons

 

[DaveP]

I learned the hard way that nic needs to be frozen. My first two liters were stored at room temp and started to turn a slight orange tint after two years. Several months later they were deep orange and approaching brown.

They solved the Fire Ant problem on my property. I just walked around the yard and drizzled about an ounce or two of 100mg/ml nic on each mound. A year later and I have no fire ants anywhere.

Amdro was like pouring water on a mound and never completely killed those ants. They came back every year.

My new nic is stored in 250ml glass Boston Rounds and packed into a box inside ziplocks and stored in the upright freezer at 0 degrees Farenheit.

 

[mikepetro]

Yep,bottled in 60ml Boston Rounds, stored in a shoe-box tote (in case a bottle gets broken, the tote contains the spill), and in the freezer it went. Still just as crystal clear as the day I bought it, and still titrates out to the same strength.

 

[mikepetro]

I learned the hard way that nic needs to be frozen. My first two liters were stored at room temp and started to turn a slight orange tint after two years. Several months later they were deep orange and approaching brown.

They solved the Fire Ant problem on my property. I just walked around the yard and drizzled about an ounce or two of 100mg/ml nic on each mound. A year later and I have no fire ants anywhere.

Amdro was like pouring water on a mound and never completely killed those ants. They came back every year.

My new nic is stored in 250ml glass Boston Rounds and packed into a box inside ziplocks and stored in the upright freezer at 0 degrees Farenheit.

An interesting read, which compares room temp vs cold storage, with pics and tight controls, can be found in this thread:

Nic Base Storage: Freezer vs. Room Temp Experiment

 

[DaveP]

Yep,bottled in 60ml Boston Rounds, stored in a shoe-box tote (in case a bottle gets broken, the tote contains the spill), and in the freezer it went. Still just as crystal clear as the day I bought it, and still titrates out to the same strength.

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I have a case of brown Boston Rounds 250ml bottles, but I've used the clear 250ml Boston Rounds for my nic storage. I like to be able to see nic color through the glass. Just me. They are in a cardboard box in the freezer and enclosed in heavy zip locks with packing on top, so light isn't an issue. The nic bottle I'm using now is in a ziplock in my DIY tote basket on the bottom under other stuff where light isn't likely to affect it.

 

[mikepetro]

Light in a freezer is such an infrequent event that I doubt it is a variable worth worrying about. Now when you thaw the the bottle to room temp, I would take care to keep it in a dark place when not in use.

 

[r77r7r]

Definitely seems like light degrades more than temp perhaps. Had some small bottles with a few drops left in my office desk drawer for yrs. Dark setting, but temp 70 to 78. Looked and smelled fine. Also had occasional oxygen introduced during infrequent inspections.
Just tossed samples from rts and crystal clear vaping and mfs.

 

[djsvapour]

I have A LOT of Nicotine stored away. Enough to attract the attention of the secret service (maybe not James Bond) and certainly Her Majesty's "importing" gnomes.

If it's getting used in the next 2-4 months it lives in a dark cool place with the mice and woodlouse. Otherwise... the freezer....

We live in dangerous times. First they passed laws banning 72mg liquid, then they started training sniffer dogs to identify premises' where more than 12.5ml is hidden away with the oven-ready fries. (Oven chips to English people)

I'm going to send all my unused $100 bills to Nigeria next. Better safe than get busted by the Nicotine police. They actually slapped a yellow notice to my last tank order from China. Because it's over 2ml (ooohhh, such dangerous behavior) the sticker read
"Importation of illegal Nicotine products is a crime".... "Contrary to section xyz of the European directive" ... what a joke, man.

Yup... that tank was loaded with irresponsible levels of Nicotine. Precisely NONE!

Maybe I should just take up smoking instead. Much more user-friendly.

Any advice @Baditude @Izan ?

 

[Baditude]

Any advice @Baditude?

No comment to protect the innocent.

 

[Rossum]

I have a case of brown Boston Rounds 250ml bottles, but I've used the clear 100ml Boston Rounds for my nic storage. I like to be able to see nic color through the glass. Just me. They are in a cardboard box in the freezer, so light isn't an issue.

Essentially all my nic came to me in brown glass bottles to begin with, so that's how it's in the freezer, but if I were re-bottling, I would also use clear glass for the benefit of being able to inspect it for color change (and the degradation such a change implies) from time to time.

However, based on what I've seen so far in the "Experiment" thread Mike linked a few posts up, plus mixing with my personal stock on FIFO basis, meaning I'm currently mixing with 4+ year old nic, I'm not worried about longevity provided it's stored correctly, i.e, in glass bottles, in the freezer.

 

[DaveP]

All my nic is in 250ml bottles in the freezer, but I'll probably transfer some cold nic to 120ml bottles for DIY use next time I need more out for juice mixing. I'm about to go back from 6mg to 3mg nic in the juices I mix, so a 250ml bottle might last me a year or more of DIY.

 

[Rossum]

All my nic is in 250ml bottles in the freezer, but I'll probably transfer some cold nic to 120ml bottles for DIY use next time I need more out for juice mixing. I'm about to go back from 6mg to 3mg nic in the juices I mix, so a 250ml bottle might last me a year or more of DIY.

All of my 100 mg base is in the freezer in 120 ml bottles. I do the following to maximize freshness:

When I remove a 120ml bottle of 100 mg base from the freezer, I let to come to room temperature before opening it. This avoids any condensation forming inside the bottle. Then I dump the whole thing into a large (over a liter sized) mixing bottle and add appropriate amounts of PG and VG. This gets me a goodly amount of lower-strength base. For example, If I were making a 12 mg/ml base, I'd end up with exactly one liter of it. Then I re-bottle that (again in 120 ml bottles) and put all but one of those bottles back in the freezer. The one I keep out lasts me 3-4 weeks, a short enough time that I've never detected degradation (either visually or by taste) at this low a concentration. When I need another, I just take it out of the freezer and let it come to room temperature before opening it. When I've opened my last bottle of lower-strength base, I start to think about making another batch.

This method avoids having to keep any 100 mg base out, or repeatedly temperature cycling it.

 

[chanelvaps]

weighing in on light VS heat for degradation. In 2017, I moved from Georgia to Southern California. I had 2-3 liters of nic broken down inro cobalt 120ml bottles. I had these all wrapped in foil. I put them all in a plastic lunchbox type tote and hoped for the best. I made the move utilizing a POD. It was supposed to take four days for it to get to Califonia but the POD was supposed to be out of my sight for about 6 days. It was picked up on time with my nicotine in the tote stored tightly in a large cabinet. I think it was dark in there. I got to CA but my POD did not. It was stopped at the AZ to CA border and refused entrance because a ant was spotted on the truck that had my POD and 2 others. They then took it to Las Vegas and "stored" it while they figured out what to do. I was in touch (and yelling) with everyone, the border people, their supervisors, the dept of agriculture, the governing board of the movers association, etc and found out details that most do not know. This happens often with PODS and the storage place was a lot in Las Vegas. OUTSIDE. This was in July and Las Vegas always has temps above 100 in July. 10 days late, when my POD did arrive, all candles were melted, most plastic containers were warped. Lots of heat damage from baking in the sun. The nicotine is clear as it was the day I got it. So it sat in high heat but in the dark and no change.

 

[DaveP]

I have A LOT of Nicotine stored away. Enough to attract the attention of the secret service (maybe not James Bond) and certainly Her Majesty's "importing" gnomes.

If it's getting used in the next 2-4 months it lives in a dark cool place with the mice and woodlouse. Otherwise... the freezer....

We live in dangerous times. First they passed laws banning 72mg liquid, then they started training sniffer dogs to identify premises' where more than 12.5ml is hidden away with the oven-ready fries. (Oven chips to English people)

I'm going to send all my unused $100 bills to Nigeria next. Better safe than get busted by the Nicotine police. They actually slapped a yellow notice to my last tank order from China. Because it's over 2ml (ooohhh, such dangerous behavior) the sticker read
"Importation of illegal Nicotine products is a crime".... "Contrary to section xyz of the European directive" ... what a joke, man.

Yup... that tank was loaded with irresponsible levels of Nicotine. Precisely NONE!

Maybe I should just take up smoking instead. Much more user-friendly.

Any advice @Baditude @Izan ?

Dang! I've used more than 2ml in a single flavor DIY bottle mix!