Nicotine Comparisons

[440BB]

It's almost as if we need a fresh set of comparisons at this point, with many new choices and existing suppliers changing sources.

I just opened a four year old 100mg PG bottle from the former RTS, rebottled into glass and stored in the freezer. It remains colorless in concentrate form and has no noticeable pepper in a 9mg mix. I am confident that 10-20 years for glass bottled, unopened, freezer stored concentrate is reasonable.

I prefer storage in clear glass within a dark box. It's comforting to fill an emptied bottle with water and put it side by side with a matching bottle of concentrate against a backdrop of white paper and see little to no difference. The FDA be damned.

 

[Rossum]

I just opened a four year old 100mg PG bottle from the former RTS, rebottled into glass and stored in the freezer. It remains colorless in concentrate form and has no noticeable pepper in a 9mg mix. I am confident that 10-20 years for glass bottled, unopened, freezer stored concentrate is reasonable.

Yep. A couple of weeks ago, I mixed a batch of 13 mg unflavored using NN Armor that I bought early in 2014. It's been in the freezer the whole time except for two ~1 week periods where it assumed room temperature due to power outages (dang hurricanes!). Although I couldn't visually inspect it prior to mixing it because it was in a brown bottle, when I dumped it into my clear mixing container that already had pre-measured VG in it, there was no noticeable color to it, and the resulting mix tastes just fine; not a hint of oxidation or other spoilage. Yes, unflavored. I don't vape unflavored exclusively, but I vape more unflavored than anything else.

Since it's still "good as new" at five years of age, I also believe 10-20 or even more years will be just fine. This makes me happy since I have a 30+ year supply. I'll be turning 60 in June, so that should get me through, come what may.

 

[Mowgli]

I finished the gallon or so of 2014 RTS PG nic earlier this year. 100% as new.
My 2014 VT TH is still the same color as when I bought it.
I keep a 60ml of PG nic and a 60ml of VG nic in the fridge to mix from.
The bigger bottles stay in the chest freezer with one of each in the fridge freezer.
2014 good as new

 

[nostradadus]

So, how many of you actually go through a titration process with your nicotine?

I just titrated some freezer stored 100mg/ml (2016) RTS Nic not long ago; titrated around 105mg/ml. This Nic had been kept in the original RTS bottle. The bottle was only half full of Nic, so there was plenty of regular old air in the bottle. The Nic was clear; no twinge of yellow/brown at all.

Only wish I had ordered another liter before RTS went belly up. I reverted back to my old Chemnovatic Nic the next purchase go round.

 

[mikepetro]

So, how many of you actually go through a titration process with your nicotine?

I just titrated some freezer stored 100mg/ml (2016) RTS Nic not long ago; titrated around 105mg/ml. This Nic had been kept in the original RTS bottle. The bottle was only half full of Nic, so there was plenty of regular old air in the bottle. The Nic was clear; no twinge of yellow/brown at all.

Only wish I had ordered another liter before RTS went belly up. I reverted back to my old Chemnovatic Nic the next purchase go round.

I only titrate when I am diluting my Master Batch down (yes, down) from 1000mg to 100mg concentrate. When I mix/dilute the 100mg I dont bother titrating again as the margin of error if measured correctly will be minimal.

Do keep in mind that anything short of "laboratory standards" will only yield about a +/- 10% accuracy when you do titrate.

A quote from our own @Dr Kurt:

"The titration kit has PRECISION of +/- about 10%. Meaning you should be able to repeat results within +/- 10% deviation. But this says nothing about the accuracy. Your method, however, probably creates something close enough your your own usage.

What is the molarity of your acid? If it is labeled as 0.1M then you only have 1 significant figure, and so will have only one sig fig in the resulting nic concentration. So you cannot say, for example, 105.0 mg.mL, you could only say 100 mg/mL...or 90 mg/mL.

+/- 1% precision is HARD with titration! It requires acid standardized to at least 3 preferably 4 sig figs, as in 0.1078M, rather than 0.1M. And your volumes must be accurate to 3 or 4 sig figs too, so 5.00 mL rather than 5 mL. Otherwise you cannot really say anything to precision under about 10 mg/mL."

 

[Horselady154]

What do you guys think of Wizard Labs?
Wizard Labs

 

[mikepetro]

What do you guys think of Wizard Labs?
Wizard Labs

Very professional supplier. Lab quality from start to finish.

 

[Rossum]

What do you guys think of Wizard Labs?
Wizard Labs

Very professional supplier. Lab quality from start to finish.

Concur. My second batch of nic came from them right around the time the Deeming was announced, so just about 5 years ago now. It got lost in my wife's big freezer for 2-1/2 years in the original PET plastic bottles it arrived in. It was still very good. In fact, that was what I started the Freezer vs. Room Temp Experiment with when it was already three years old.

 

[IDJoel]

Only wish I had ordered another liter before RTS went belly up.

They're still around... as Nicotine Giant. I too have used (am using at the moment) RTS nic, and like it. I have not made a purchase from NG; so I can't say whether their nic remains the same.

What do you guys think of Wizard Labs?
Wizard Labs

Are you asking "generally" as a supplier? Or, specifically as a nic supplier?

As an overall supplier; they are first rate, and I have no reservations recommending them to others.

As a nic supplier; They are not my first choice. I do not have near the broad experience some have here. And, I have not purchased/used any nic from WL in about 5 years. They also only offered one basic house line at the time (they now offer several). But, of the nic vendors I have tried (Wizard Labs, RTS (now Nicotine Giant), and Heartland Vapes, as well as a house brand from a local B&M) ; WL had the most "bite" to it. Heartland, and Nicotine Giant would be my go-to's today. As always; YMMV.

Also, please note: I don't like nic's with character... some folks do. I like a clean clear "invisible" nic that will disappear in my DIY.

 

[Horselady154]

Are you asking "generally" as a supplier? Or, specifically as a nic supplier?

Nic supplier, as this is a nic thread.

Good info. Thank you.

 

[Horselady154]

Ok, who here bought the 55 gallon drum? Admit it.

Nicotine - 100mg - 55 Gallons

 

[mikepetro]

Ok, who here bought the 55 gallon drum? Admit it.

Nicotine - 100mg - 55 Gallons

Didnt have a big enough freezer.

 

[Rossum]

Didnt have a big enough freezer.

Yep. Since that's 100 mg/ml, there's only 5.5 gallons of actual nic in that 55 gallon drum.

 

[mikepetro]

Yep. Since that's 100 mg/ml, there's only 5.5 gallons of actual nic in that 55 gallon drum.

I was looking at a different concentration, when I looked at it. 55gals would have been 55gals.

 

[Mowgli]

bump

 

[B2L]

Just in from NN...

I’m hesitant to order due to the temps here, still may take a chance though

 

[Vapntime]

Just in from NN...

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I’m hesitant to order due to the temps here, still may take a chance though

I ordered the nude armor a few years back, the one with the syringe cap. As soon as I took nic out of it, it would suck back air to the inside. The nicotine didn't last very long and started to oxidize badly. So, I would suggest all the armor NICs as long term storage only.

 

[B2L]

I ordered the nude armor a few years back, the one with the syringe cap. As soon as I took nic out of it, it would suck back air to the inside. The nicotine didn't last very long and started to oxidize badly. So, I would suggest all the armor NICs as long term storage only.

But seriously, how was it stored after you first pierced the seal? Was it in the freezer, refrigerator, cabinet? And, how long is not very long? Was it days, weeks or longer before you noticed the degradation?

I have always bought the V1 and do use it for long term storage. I broke out a bottle a few weeks back to mix with that has been in my freezer for about 5 years and it was clean and clear, better than some I have bought from other companies much more recently. I use a pretty high nic level so any off taste is immediately obvious to me.

 

[Vapntime]

There is such a great feeling here now at ECF isn't there. It doesn't make sense mate. You stored yours long term and it wasn't oxidized isn't that what I was saying? I'm talking about the V2 mate maybe you should have read the part about the syringe cap. Don't come to these parts often?
Nude Armor V2 - 100mg

 

[Rossum]

There is such a great feeling here now at ECF isn't there. It doesn't make sense mate. You stored yours long term and it wasn't oxidized isn't that what I was saying? I'm talking about the V2 mate maybe you should have read the part about the syringe cap. Don't come to these parts often?
Nude Armor V2 - 100mg

Sounds like you got a cap that didn't perform as advertised? They're not supposed to let air in, but I've never bought or used V2, so don't know how common that is.

It would still be interesting to know at what temperature you stored it after initially opening it, and how long it took until you started to notice the degradation.

My method to avoid degradation: Keep my 100 mg base in the freezer. Mix down an entire bottle of it at a time to something resembling vaping strength. Re-bottle that in glass and put all but one bottle of it back in the freezer.