Nicotine Comparisons

[B2L]

There is such a great feeling here now at ECF isn't there. It doesn't make sense mate. You stored yours long term and it wasn't oxidized isn't that what I was saying? I'm talking about the V2 mate maybe you should have read the part about the syringe cap. Don't come to these parts often?
Nude Armor V2 - 100mg

Yup, read that part which is why I specified using V1 myself.

Yup, agree that you were saying it’s good for long term.

Just wondering about the time and temperature that caused the degradation in yours.

I get around these parts every now and then

 

[Vapntime]

I've been on this forum and in this thread for 7 years. How do you think I stored it? It wasn't outside in the dunny that's for sure. It started oxidizing from the first day i used it. Good couple of weeks and it was noticable. After 2-3 months couldnt use it. Still have it. All good. If air can't get in, how can anything get out.

 

[stols001]

I'm not sure how reasonable it would be that all my nic be crystal clear from start to finish (including my working liter, which I need to rebottle some, and refreeze the rest.

I am not sure that decades old nic I should have the expectation of like, it being clear as the driven snow. It may well be, but I don't EXPECT it.

I'm also not sure I expect expensive but unproven nic vacuum systems to work, either. if I can just get all mine in glass and enough of it, I will be happy.

In all fairness, I don't mind bit of oxidation to my nic.….But surely nothing is PERFECT!

I would consider an email to your vacuum pump nicotine supplier that it didn't work but a) maybe freezing it for a while caused it and b) I'm not so sure how much MORE I would expect.

Anna

 

[Vapntime]

Its vacuum sealed that's all. Once the seal is broken Its just 100mg/ml in a glass bottle with a small hole that's airtight when it closes. Its not magic.

 

[Horselady154]

Sounds like you got a cap that didn't perform as advertised? They're not supposed to let air in, but I've never bought or used V2, so don't know how common that is.

It would still be interesting to know at what temperature you stored it after initially opening it, and how long it took until you started to notice the degradation.

My method to avoid degradation: Keep my 100 mg base in the freezer. Mix down an entire bottle of it at a time to something resembling vaping strength. Re-bottle that in glass and put all but one bottle of it back in the freezer.

Yeah, but the supposed benefit of V2 is that you can use a syringe to remove what you need without harming the rest in the bottle.

 

[Horselady154]

Its vacuum sealed that's all. Once the seal is broken Its just 100mg/ml in a glass bottle with a small hole that's airtight when it closes. Its not magic.

But, to oxidize like you say, it must not have been airtight when it closed. Otherwise, how would it have oxidized so badly?

Was it in the freezer?

 

[Vapntime]

But, to oxidize like you say, it must not have been airtight when it closed. Otherwise, how would it have oxidized so badly?

It draws air in when you take some nic out, its not a perfect seal, how can it be. You can literally see the bubbles of air being drawn in I don't understand how that is optimistic. It cant come out if it doesn't draw in air, once again its basic science but anyway...

 

[Rossum]

It cant come out if it doesn't draw in air, once again its basic science but anyway...

Depends on how hard a vacuum you can draw in your syringe. If the seal between the syringe and the bottle is perfect (and also the seals on the piston in the syringe), it should be possible to draw the liquid contents from the bottle without admitting any air by applying sufficient force to the piston (area of the piston times ambient atmospheric pressure). In that case, you would simply end up with a bigger volume of vacuum in the bottle than it started with.

 

[Horselady154]

It draws air in when you take some nic out, its not a perfect seal, how can it be. You can literally see the bubbles of air being drawn in I don't understand how that is optimistic. It cant come out if it doesn't draw in air, once again its basic science but anyway...

I would imagine you did, but just to be sure, did you have yours stored in the freezer?

 

[Vapntime]

I would imagine you did, but just to be sure, did you have yours stored in the freezer?

Yes in the freezer, it had just arrived when first open at room temp.

 

[Vapntime]

Depends on how hard a vacuum you can draw in your syringe. If the seal between the syringe and the bottle is perfect (and also the seals on the piston in the syringe), it should be possible to draw the liquid contents from the bottle without admitting any air by applying sufficient force to the piston (area of the piston times ambient atmospheric pressure). In that case, you would simply end up with a bigger volume of vacuum in the bottle than it started with.

Yes well that's what I thought, but in this case it didn't work or doesn't work. In my case the seal can't close quick enough letting a tiny bit of air in initially and flow on from there.

 

[IDJoel]

As I read from NN' site:

To me, that is sounding like they intend directly inserting the slip tip:

through the barrier (septum), instead of a needle. If that is true, I could see where the smaller diameter of a needle might not create a tight enough seal, and allow unwanted air to enter. Pressing the syringe tip fully into the septum, until it hits the shoulder of the barrel, might further encourage a tight seal.

This statement:

appears to confirm @Rossum's previous statement.

(quotes are sourced from this link; for full context)

But, if the air seepage continues after the tip is removed, that seems to be just plain faulty. What was NN's response when the defect was reported?

 

[Vapntime]

Oh @IDJoel you're back I did use the slip tip initially. Sorry mate the results haven't been peer reviewed yet. So, we will have to wait for that. Have you ever tried out nude's customer service? It had been in transit for 3 weeks and on aircraft. Maybe Joel you could copy and paste something on the net to explain what could of happened there?

 

[Rossum]

Have you ever tried out nude's customer service?

I have. I placed numerous orders with them over the 2-1/2 years I spent FDA proofing myself. I had a problem with exactly one of those orders. I sent them an e-mail documenting the problem with a couple of pics. A week or so later, a replacement shipment arrived, and I ended up with 750 ml of free 100 mg Armor V1 as a result.

 

[Vapntime]

I have. I placed numerous orders with them over the 2-1/2 years I spent FDA proofing myself. I had a problem with exactly one of those orders. I sent them an e-mail documenting the problem with a couple of pics. A week or so later, a replacement shipment arrived, and I ended up with 750 ml of free 100 mg Armor V1 as a result.

Wow, you must have been so excited. I had moved on to quality nicotine by then that has been verified by someone other than the seller. It is also better than USP standard.

 

[B2L]

Wow, you must have been so excited. I had moved on to quality nicotine by then that has been verified by someone other than the seller. It is also better than USP standard.

Dude, did someone pee in your Cheerios?

Maybe you just need a hug?

Your snarkiness and level of contempt is wearing thin.

 

[Vapntime]

Dude, did someone pee in your Cheerios?

Maybe you just need a hug?

Your snarkiness and level of contempt is wearing thin.

I treat people how I am treated. Maybe you should look through some of my threads and posts in recent ECF months. ECF use to be a community but has gone a long way down hill over the years, but I'm happy to burn out than fade away.

Are you the elected forum bully. What happens when it wears thin?

 

[Vapntime]

I ordered the nude armor a few years back, the one with the syringe cap. As soon as I took nic out of it, it would suck back air to the inside. The nicotine didn't last very long and started to oxidize badly. So, I would suggest all the armor NICs as long term storage only.

This was my original post on this matter...

 

[Vapntime]

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But seriously, how was it stored after you first pierced the seal? Was it in the freezer, refrigerator, cabinet? And, how long is not very long? Was it days, weeks or longer before you noticed the degradation?

I have always bought the V1 and do use it for long term storage. I broke out a bottle a few weeks back to mix with that has been in my freezer for about 5 years and it was clean and clear, better than some I have bought from other companies much more recently. I use a pretty high nic level so any off taste is immediately obvious to me.

This was yours (view attachment).

 

[B2L]

This was yours (view attachment).

And? I posted something (loosely) related that I found funny and asked a question.