Has anyone tried Nude nic's, nicotine salts-smooth? I like to sub ohm 9 or 10mg...and there free sample was too harsh for that.
@Rossum I'm not the one that asked but I would like to know where I should try to obtain a reasonably prided good nic to stockpile. I've been buying from MFS. Is there someplace better that doesn't require SS#and selfies?
Thanks. I'll check them out. i have no qualms with MFS quality. Just wondering if maybe there's a better stock up plan. If RTS has been in business 5+ years, I may have ordered from them before. They sound familiarYou may want to have a look at RTS. Much cleaner than MFS imo been a few years since I bought MFS though.
RTS is excellent nic if you like TH. Seems to be a quality nic with a smooth buzz. It has a clean flavor with good th and retains some pepperiness that many of us like without any chemical or off tastes. Does get more pepper hit above 12mg but no chemical notes.
Prices aren't bad in quantity, and you can buy larger quantities on the wholesale side for less. A small bottle of 100mg is fairly cheap to try..
If you like tasteless with low th nude nic for sure.
I bought a liter of ECX the pink vg a while back..
Has anyone tried Nude nic's, nicotine salts-smooth?
I believe @Kurt has mentioned in the past that traditional home titration kits were useless for nic salts but I don't think he offered any home solution outside of professional lab analysis. Maybe he can chime in again.I would like to know how to test nic concentration of the "salt" variants at home. HCl titration doesnt work on the stuff. I found that I like a little citric acid in my nic, it smoothes it out nicely, but I dont know how to test the stuff. The samples never turns blue, it goes straight to yellow no matter how much bromothymol blue you add.
Thank you @Kurt for taking the time for such a detailed, thorough, and informative explanation. I greatly appreciate your patience and willingness to share your understanding with the rest of us.Yes, IDJoel, that is true. Home nic kits are a titration with an acid. If the acid is HCl, then the reaction produces the hydrochloride SALT of nicotine (nic-H+ Cl-). Nicotine salt solutions, such as being produced by NN, are in effect partially titrated nicotine using various acids, such as benzoic acid. The kit can only measure the amount of FREE-BASE nicotine, that is untitrated non-salt form. So, if you are using a nic salt product, the kit will give a reading that is significantly lower than the actual nicotine content, since some of that nicotine is already salt form.
To measure nicotine content in a salt solution one would need to be able to also measure the nic-salt content in addition to the free-base content. To complicate matters worse for the titration method is the fact that the acids used for these commercial salt solutions are weak acids, not strong like HCl. These salt solutions are then by nature buffered and amphoteric, and this further complicates any titration nicotine determination. One would need a method like GC-FID to get the nic content of the salt solutions. I think. It would more than likely have to be a spectroscopic method.
Some flavors also protonate nicotine, and thus I advocate using a kit only for unflavored, and now purely free-base, nicotine solutions. I have seen flavored e-liquids that given a titration error too low for nicotine content by as much as 30%. I can tell it is an actual error by the topology of the pH titration curves, not just the end-point an indicator gives.
One could with a lot of knowledge of weak base titrations use a pH curve to get nic content of salt solutions, but this requires a strong familiarity with the shape of these curves, and what the various inflection points mean. It is not hard for a chemist, but you have to have a solid understanding of weak base / weak acid equilibrium chemistry.
That's what I was assuming too...you'll know if you are used to smooth nic at high Mg and you get something that isn't smooth. It's like my throat is on fire, and I don't feel the nicotine.I've honestly always ignored notions about different nic-hits in various nics, as never experienced it myself and thinking that it's the same chemical or how it's named,
Thanks @Kurt ...
Would it be safe to say that if I titrated the free-base solution BEFORE adding the citric acid, that I could be fairly confident of the "total" nic concentration?
For example, if I made a 40mgl nic concentrate, and then added 10% citric acid that I would have a ~36mgl result.
In other words does the conversion from freebase to salt change to "total" concentration?
Thank you @Kurt for taking the time for such a detailed, thorough, and informative explanation. I greatly appreciate your patience and willingness to share your understanding with the rest of us.