Nicotine Comparisons

[r77r7r]

Oops, wrong acid Folks sure seem brave putting all these salts and acids into their lungs lately. Guess it's beats smoking.

 

[mikepetro]

@dansus said it was nicotine benzoate...I'm guessing benzoic acid was used to create the nicotine salts purchased. I just bought some from Nicotine River since they state that their salts are not processed with benzoic acid.

I wish Nic River actually stated what they used. It is a bit eeky to know something was treated with an acid and they dont state what it is.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Nicotine Freebase vs. Salt: Absorption & Vaporization Efficacy, contrasted with Pax Juul claims about Benzoic Acid & 'natural tobacco nicotine salts' -- WTFbroscience?! • r/Deeper_DIY

Just doing a search and found this.....from 2 years ago. Helps to explain the process of freebase vs nic salts......interesting....

 

[Stoneface]

I wish Nic River actually stated what they used. It is a bit eeky to know something was treated with an acid and they state what it is.

I agree...but I'm also hoping that note on their site means that they are trying to use something better. This is my first nic salts order. I am intrigued by the idea and figure I might as well try a sample size of it to see if it's for me.

Has anyone else ordered nic salts and had precipitate or crystals floating in the product??? I personally think @dansus post alarming...I wouldn't know what to think to see all of those crystals left over. I've only ordered freebase nic (but I've ordered a lot of it), and I've never seen anything like it...

 

[dansus]

The use of benzoic acid itself is not a major concern, but the amount they have used. Going by PAX's guidelines, which is on the high side, it should be a benzoate 5.4% mix. 13% is just ridiculous.

Given they also sell NicSelect, no idea why they are peddling this crap.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

The use of benzoic acid itself is not a major concern, but the amount they have used. Even going by PAX's guidelines, it should be a benzoate 5.4% mix. 13% is just ridiculous.

Given they also sell NicSelect, no idea why they are peddling this crap.

Exactly. Have you informed the vendor you purchased from? I certainly would and ask either for a replacement or a refund. It could be an oversight, altho, one would hope they inspected a product before just passing it on.

 

[dansus]

Ive spoken to them. I dont think they really understand whats going on, but are taking steps to rectify things.

This is their first batch, just glad i was able to intercept it before it got too widely distributed. Thats just one vendor though, how many others are going to be mixing this sh*t into their juices.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Oops, wrong acid Folks sure seem brave putting all these salts and acids into their lungs lately. Guess it's beats smoking.

Actually, we had the salts when we smoked cigarettes. Naturally occurring in the nicotine in the tobacco leaves.. Its the freebasing process that removes the salts.

 

[mikepetro]

I have tried the Nic River salts, and made my own with citric acid. The Nic River gave me an uncomfortable feeling "in" my lungs. I wouldnt say it hurt, but I could tell a difference that I didnt care for, like it was harder to breath right after or like when I have a cold and it is hard to breath. My citric mixes, which I do by pH, never give me that, but they do gunk up a coil faster.

All of that being said I prefer the freebase myself. I reserve the salts for when I want a higher nic level. Like when I know I will be stealth hitting and not have many chances to take a hit, in that circumstance I want the maximum nic delivery per hit that I can handle and the salts deliver that.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

I have tried the Nic River salts, and made my own with citric acid. The Nic River gave me an uncomfortable feeling "in" my lungs. I wouldnt say it hurt, but I could tell a difference that I didnt care for, like it was harder to breath right after or like when I have a cold and it is hard to breath. My citric mixes, which I do by pH, never give me that, but they do gunk up a coil faster.

All of that being said I prefer the freebase myself. I reserve the salts for when I want a higher nic level. Like when I know I will be stealth hitting and not have many chances to take a hit, in that circumstance I want the maximum nic delivery per hit that I can handle and the salts deliver that.

Can't imagine you wanting any higher than 36mg. Now that is high. LOL

 

[mikepetro]

Can't imagine you wanting any higher than 36mg. Now that is high. LOL

I do 50mg when I use salts. WHich BTW is what the JUUL uses.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

I do 50mg when I use salts. WHich BTW is what the JUUL uses.

Never, ever tried one. LOL
I am happy at my measly little 3-6 mg. I think I'll keep it there.

 

[mikepetro]

Never, ever tried one. LOL
I am happy at my measly little 3-6 mg. I think I'll keep it there.

Whatever keeps you off the stinkies. To each their own vape!
(Yes, that even extends to squonkers)

 

[squee]

My citric mixes, which I do by pH, never give me that, but they do gunk up a coil faster.

I'm going to give the CA salts a go since I'm making juice for a few people to try to get them to switch over and using an icare and/or mymini.

What's your target ph level?

 

[mikepetro]

I'm going to give the CA salts a go since I'm making juice for a few people to try to get them to switch over and using an icare and/or mymini.

What's your target ph level?

Around 8.0

 

[dansus]

Around 8.0

8? Damn. I go for 6.

 

[squee]

Around 8.0

wow. that's higher than i expected but i'll give it a go as soon as my ph strips arrive.

thanks!

 

[mikepetro]

Straight nic is about 10

 

[dansus]

My 7.2% base is showing 8.5

 

[mikepetro]

My 7.2% base is showing 8.5

Then yours is probably already protonated.